moderators : baffles or absorbing ?

Hi, I've tried a lot of moderators on a lot of airguns ; some worked well , others destroyed accuracy . Now I would like to have your opinions and experiences with them . Did you find baffles types better than absorbing ones , or maybe is there no difference ? I find out a brand of mods called FOX , in which the baffles system is machined from a single piece of aluminium , and is very light. As they are more expensive , I wonder if it's worth the price ...of course it's difficult to tell before trying.

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my opinion at this point is it less about baffling and absorbing sound than it is just containing the escaping gases in an enclosed volume of space .. the trick is to strip the air away from the projectile and redirect it in a way it wont interfere with it till it gets out the other other end .. but im in no way an expert on it, just my take ...

..i would guess, and its only a guess, that the more aligned everything is internally, the better it is for accuracy .. the more precise its machined im guessing is pretty critical .. something isnt aligned for whatever reason, im sure it can affect accuracy ... so, that said, i would think that at least checking that by either removing the barrel and physically looking with a light in the end or using a good fitting dowel of some kind would be prudent for anything serious .. like competition ...
 
The key is to slow the escaping high pressure until it's no longer a sharp sound. For me an oem FX aluminum tube with 3d printed baffles is by far the quietest mod. For higher power tunes just increase length by adding sections to the mod. I sold my Ronin within 5 minutes of trying the printed baffles because the sound was about half that of the Ronin.
 
I'm with heavy-impact. I use felt in the tip towards the exit to take the edge off the report. My older huma mod works extremely well, too. The older models had very tight baffle bores.

Ideally the mod will have an expansion chamber, then a few cone baffles, 2 spaced closely together, the rest at a more moderate spacing. Then some felt in the tip.

My most efficient one is 6.2mm bore on a 5.5mm gun, with 5 tightly spaced cones and some felt in the end. I say most efficient because it does a LOT of work with very little length or volume, but it does cheat using a shroud and air stirpper to divert a lof of muzzle pressure rearward (acting as a large expansion chamber)

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Cheers and hope it works out well! Weihrauch moderators use the large small large chamber design with absorbing material. They use flat baffles for ease of manufacuting, and loose bore clearance to compensate for misaligned adapters and barrels. Still, it's considered among the best. I dont have one, but I can confirm the baffle arrangement works pretty much the best... but making bore tighter and using cone baffles will make it even better. 


 
I have been making moderators for 40 yrs. and the best is baffles over sound absorbing, but that's not the whole story. Sound absorbing works well in the beginning, but they get louder over time and the absorbing material will need changing. Also, there are baffles and then there are baffles, There are significant differences between different designs. My current design uses an inverted cone, which points backwards towards the breech and is centered in the moderator by the ID of the tube and the OD of the baffle. They are located in place within the tube by M3 all thread rods 3 each equidistant around the perimeter of the baffles with tubular spacers as longitudinal locators. The all thread rods are threaded into the moderator base with the female 1/2-20 threaded center hole. Each baffle is through drilled for the M3 rods and on both sides of the baffles I use a small stack of Belleville washers between the baffle and the locating tubes. These washers are necessary as compression springs when assembling the moderator.. The forward end plate is counter bored for the tube and through drilled for the M3 all thread rods, which are slightly longer by about 5 mm. I then use stainless acorn nuts to compress the whole assembly together.

This design allowed me to adjust the size of the expansion chambers within the tube by simply using different length tube spacers on the M3 rods. I found that the first chamber being the largest works best. This first expansion chamber volume actually includes shroud volume as well because the through hole of the male moderator adapter should be as large as possible. I use a bore clearance of .020" (.5 mm). for all the baffles. The inverted cone shape of the baffles helps deflect the accelerating air column behind the pellet from disturbing the pellets flight path,which improves accuracy. I have found that using tighter pellet clearances does not reduce the sound signature that I can detect. I have also made an alignment checking tool to verify the moderator alignment to the barrel. I used precision ground rod that exactly matches the barrel ID at the muzzle. Placing this rod through the moderator after mounting and into the barrel will easily validate correct moderator alignment.

I have also found that a baffle design will reduce muzzle velocity by about 4%., where a sound absorbing design seems to reduce velocity about 2%..The velocity attenuation is caused as the differential pressure difference across the pellet is reduced because the air column in FRONT of the pellet is also attenuated as well as the pressurized air column behind the pellet..
 
Hi steve-I , thanks for all your explanations ; these are very clear and will do a lot to my experiences with moderators. I just get a FOX moderator which I was talking about in this topic . It's a baffles system but in .22 cal it's very small : 11" long and 1" diameter , so it's not very effective on high power guns.I didn't try the effect on accuracy , but the bore is quite small , 6mm for a .22 cal , and clipping could be a problem . I'll go for testing next days.

Here is a pic

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Aldea6,

I would not be happy with this baffle design. This design induces pellet flight imbalance because of the angled baffle plates. As an example, today's modern shot gun ammunition uses plastic shot cups with a shock cushion. These cups use the leaves to prevent the escaping propellant gases from disturbing the flight of the shot column, which tightens the shot spread. another example of the same principle is the importance of a smooth even crown at the end of a barrel for accuracy. The tilted baffles in this FOX moderator is used for ease of machining in a CNC machine. Now, how much of an issue this is can only be determined through testing. My test rod really works well and gives you confidence you will not have clipping as an issue, but to determine exact barrel fit you need a set of pin gauges in .001" increments to measure your barrel choke diameter at the muzzle. This size will always be less than the pellet diameter you load.
 
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