congrats to u you ,you will be one of the few that gets one, ed said 407 in each size looks awesome ,have you seen the new 25 for russian market another real looker cocking handle moved forward nice for us leftys congrats again pat
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Monster just landed... Matador R5 .30 cal
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Thanks! Christmas is coming, and this year we plan to spend that time in a backcountry... should be fun! So I should have plenty of time for outdoor photography. Well, that was part of my winter holidays plan, but of course can’t admit that openly to my wife, LOL!
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I was a bit quiet recently. But there was a good reason for that… fine tuning my R5. It’s part of fun, part of the game (at least for me). It’s just like with cars – even the coolest latest sport car can be tuned, not just outside but also inside – chip tuning, engine tuning, exhaust tuning, etc. Thanks Lord it’s a bit less complicated with airguns, and waaaay cheaper, LOL! Anyway, long story short – one day I was asked by my buddy from NZ if I’d be willing to take part in Huma kit development for R5. OK, why not? And as a result I was sent a prototype of R5 performance kit (or power kit if you prefer that name) to try in my R5. Of course I was more than happy to try something new… but it was not as simple as I thought! The Prototype kit was not threaded correctly at the connection end (hence the name – prototype). So I was not just testing and playing with new kit, but also tried my machining skills on lathe, with a bit of help from my father in law (who is really good at it… and his shop is quite equipped too). BTW, the thread connection between reg and plenum is not needed at all imho. It was made to remove the whole unit easier from air tube but... it disconnects anyway when you're unscrewing the rear plug, lol! So it should be either ccw thread or... just no thread at all. It's not designed to seal on that thread anyhow.
Small digress here: I really like the way Ed design his airguns (as an overall concept). It’s just SO EASY to work on them and R5 is good example. Changing regulator setting takes just couple of minutes. Of course, I know there are other guns with regulator settings / manometers on the outside, but none of them looks so ascetically good imho. R5 looks like a gun and can be used & treated as a regular field gun. And the new electronic manometer makes that overall look even better. And BTW, when disassembling/assembling R5 be sure to tighten the breech/ hammer block really well, otherwise it can get loose with time (it’s not needed for reg adjustment, but I quite disassembled my R5 when I was playing in a shop). End of digress.
Anyway… after some time spent behind lathe finally I built a hybrid of original plenum and valve (very good valve let me tell) and Huma’s regulator and additional plenum space. I tried many different settings - almost anything between 110 and 130 bar. After fine tuning I could easily get 44grain ammo flying at 900+ fps (about 25-28 shots per fill) with 120, 125 and 130 bar on reg. A 120 bar it required really strong hst, so I decided to set my reg at 125 bar. That way, depending on need, I can get either high power (900 fps) or very efficient shot count at slightly lower muzzle enegry (850 fps, or 260 m/s). But that ‘low energy’ is still close to 100 Joule at the muzzle and 50 Joule down range at 100m. So it’s not ‘low’ by any means.
So as you can see with my new custom setup (it’s really nice feeling to have some parts machined by myself inside my own airgun) I can get quite significant number of shots. Starting from 251 bar it shoots really good up to 125 bar reg setting, than goes up a little bit (+3m/s) which is an usual peak after getting reg pressure, and goes slightly down to 256 m/s at shot #42 (shot at 106 bar). Some would say that it’d be better to stay at #40 as last one, depending on what is your expectation. Still 40 very good shots is quite a serious shot count. As a side note – originally I could get about 30 good shots at 260 m/s (plus 2-3 more usable, just as here) which was also not bad. 10 more shots is not 'day and night' and .30 cal still eats air fast so... get a bigger tank if you plan to get into .30 cal territory! Could that be tuned for even more shots at 260m/s? I guess so. At lower reg pressure setting. But I’ve chosen a compromise of tuning muzzle energy easily between 850 and 910 fps with just one reg setting, just by turning hst. That’s how I want my gun to shoot. And with 285-290 bar fill I could get 50 good shots I guess… I’ll check that when I top my tank up to 300 bar again. I hope Huma can use some of my findings and suggestions for the final R5 kit. And I learned some new skills too
To make the update complete – I practiced some more at the range, but this time I was very picky on ammo. I inspected each pellet for any sign of deformation, scratches, etc. and my best 5 shot groups were 26 and 29 mm across (#1 and #2 from the left in the pic below) and groups I considered ‘average’ were like the #3 (42mm). Of course, I’d love to shoot everything at MOA or better, but it’s surely MOA (1”@100y) capable airgun.
And last but not least… obligatory ‘for fun’ shot with my Fuji. I know it’d be more appropriate for November but hey, this year we have November weather in December here (as you can see):
I know it was a long update but… maybe worth typing. At least enjoy last pic, LOL!
Small digress here: I really like the way Ed design his airguns (as an overall concept). It’s just SO EASY to work on them and R5 is good example. Changing regulator setting takes just couple of minutes. Of course, I know there are other guns with regulator settings / manometers on the outside, but none of them looks so ascetically good imho. R5 looks like a gun and can be used & treated as a regular field gun. And the new electronic manometer makes that overall look even better. And BTW, when disassembling/assembling R5 be sure to tighten the breech/ hammer block really well, otherwise it can get loose with time (it’s not needed for reg adjustment, but I quite disassembled my R5 when I was playing in a shop). End of digress.
Anyway… after some time spent behind lathe finally I built a hybrid of original plenum and valve (very good valve let me tell) and Huma’s regulator and additional plenum space. I tried many different settings - almost anything between 110 and 130 bar. After fine tuning I could easily get 44grain ammo flying at 900+ fps (about 25-28 shots per fill) with 120, 125 and 130 bar on reg. A 120 bar it required really strong hst, so I decided to set my reg at 125 bar. That way, depending on need, I can get either high power (900 fps) or very efficient shot count at slightly lower muzzle enegry (850 fps, or 260 m/s). But that ‘low energy’ is still close to 100 Joule at the muzzle and 50 Joule down range at 100m. So it’s not ‘low’ by any means.
So as you can see with my new custom setup (it’s really nice feeling to have some parts machined by myself inside my own airgun) I can get quite significant number of shots. Starting from 251 bar it shoots really good up to 125 bar reg setting, than goes up a little bit (+3m/s) which is an usual peak after getting reg pressure, and goes slightly down to 256 m/s at shot #42 (shot at 106 bar). Some would say that it’d be better to stay at #40 as last one, depending on what is your expectation. Still 40 very good shots is quite a serious shot count. As a side note – originally I could get about 30 good shots at 260 m/s (plus 2-3 more usable, just as here) which was also not bad. 10 more shots is not 'day and night' and .30 cal still eats air fast so... get a bigger tank if you plan to get into .30 cal territory! Could that be tuned for even more shots at 260m/s? I guess so. At lower reg pressure setting. But I’ve chosen a compromise of tuning muzzle energy easily between 850 and 910 fps with just one reg setting, just by turning hst. That’s how I want my gun to shoot. And with 285-290 bar fill I could get 50 good shots I guess… I’ll check that when I top my tank up to 300 bar again. I hope Huma can use some of my findings and suggestions for the final R5 kit. And I learned some new skills too
To make the update complete – I practiced some more at the range, but this time I was very picky on ammo. I inspected each pellet for any sign of deformation, scratches, etc. and my best 5 shot groups were 26 and 29 mm across (#1 and #2 from the left in the pic below) and groups I considered ‘average’ were like the #3 (42mm). Of course, I’d love to shoot everything at MOA or better, but it’s surely MOA (1”@100y) capable airgun.
And last but not least… obligatory ‘for fun’ shot with my Fuji. I know it’d be more appropriate for November but hey, this year we have November weather in December here (as you can see):
I know it was a long update but… maybe worth typing. At least enjoy last pic, LOL!
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I’ve hunted high and low for an EDgun in the UK they are like rocking horse poo one day I’ll get one.
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I will not opened new topic,I am also a proud owner of the new R5 as well as Peter. Today I had time to socialize with R5 and test its capabilities. These are images of groups of 50 and 100 meters. This is my first pc in the .30 caliber and I can say that I am delighted with the capabilities of that caliber and even more of the new matador R5.
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Thanks guys for kind words about my photos. So... what about another pic, which I know it's a bit different, but still a bit on topic since I've got R5 in my hand. I really like that kind of photography, keeps me relaxed when I work on it in the end of the day like now. Just for fun.
Silent hunting on Dagobah swamps
Silent hunting on Dagobah swamps
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I'm not easily excited BUT this time I surely am! It's a NEW YEAR... and something NEW just arrived. It's still in a box. Shooting range already booked for end of the week.
I believe that this can be another factor, which could tighten my 100 groups even more. Actually I had no problem to use my Vortex Diamondback Tactical on contrasting target and at 100m the parallax was fully compensated BUT this scope should take me to another level up in accuracy...
I believe that this can be another factor, which could tighten my 100 groups even more. Actually I had no problem to use my Vortex Diamondback Tactical on contrasting target and at 100m the parallax was fully compensated BUT this scope should take me to another level up in accuracy...
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In my excitement I didn't realized they shipped too low rings (medium hight) with the scope... till I started mounting. Ouch! But I should have a replacement from my local Vortex dealer delivered today.
In the meantime.. what about another shot in the morning winter sun? Hard to believe it was taken end of December... global warming is not a joke apparently.
In the meantime.. what about another shot in the morning winter sun? Hard to believe it was taken end of December... global warming is not a joke apparently.
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How is the trigger in the R5? It scares me to read post about other R EDguns that say, "my gun goes off when I close bolt" and the solution is to put grease on it. Im sure there are revisions with each and every model. I am hoping the trigger was one of those.
I also have a question about the vortex mount you currently have on your gun. Is that what you currently had and not rings? Or is a one piece mount like that have benefit on the R5? I thought maybe it had up and down adjustment.
I also have a question about the vortex mount you currently have on your gun. Is that what you currently had and not rings? Or is a one piece mount like that have benefit on the R5? I thought maybe it had up and down adjustment.
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R5's trigger is a smooth 2-stage unit. It is adjustable but I didn't want to adjust it for being too light. It's a .30 cal and priority for me is to avoid any chance of accidental fire by just touching it. I don't have trigger scale so can't give you number but it's not a match-grade trigger (which is usually superlight). However, it's crisp and very shootable, much more 'target oriented' than 1-stage Leshiy trigger. But, of course, R5 was mainly designed as a hunting airgun... so in the end it makes sense I believe.
The 'gun goes off when I close bolt' topic was a good example of a trigger, which was either modified, or just screws were set out of regulation limits. Or maybe it was just broken. I've had various EdGuns (also R3M) and none of them had such issue. Actually I had R3M's trigger modified and it was absolutely smooth and crisp, great trigger! I really regret selling that gun... but it's life, stuff come and go. The topic you mentioned was the first time I've heard about such issue so something must have been obviously wrong with that trigger.
Scope now. Currently I have my Vortex Diamondback Tactical on a 1-piece mount (Vortex). I prefer 1-piece as it's easier to install, easier to take off the gun and attach later (less shift of zero). But that mount is for 1" tube scopes so it's not good for my new glass - otherwise I'd use just that, of course! For the new one I had wrong rings shipped (I just wanted to try rings) but in the end I decided to keep the rings for my Leshiy (to keep my PST 1-4x24 scope lower than it is now on leupold scope) and I asked to send me 30mm Vortex cantilever mount for R5 instead. Should work great and also I like the look of 1-piece mounts. Yeah, I prefer 1-piece mounts for big scopes, it just feels more solid and I like the look. Oh, and there is no adjustment/droop in that mount. There is 0.5 Deg droop built in into R5's rail, which is of course very welcome for long range shooting.
The 'gun goes off when I close bolt' topic was a good example of a trigger, which was either modified, or just screws were set out of regulation limits. Or maybe it was just broken. I've had various EdGuns (also R3M) and none of them had such issue. Actually I had R3M's trigger modified and it was absolutely smooth and crisp, great trigger! I really regret selling that gun... but it's life, stuff come and go. The topic you mentioned was the first time I've heard about such issue so something must have been obviously wrong with that trigger.
Scope now. Currently I have my Vortex Diamondback Tactical on a 1-piece mount (Vortex). I prefer 1-piece as it's easier to install, easier to take off the gun and attach later (less shift of zero). But that mount is for 1" tube scopes so it's not good for my new glass - otherwise I'd use just that, of course! For the new one I had wrong rings shipped (I just wanted to try rings) but in the end I decided to keep the rings for my Leshiy (to keep my PST 1-4x24 scope lower than it is now on leupold scope) and I asked to send me 30mm Vortex cantilever mount for R5 instead. Should work great and also I like the look of 1-piece mounts. Yeah, I prefer 1-piece mounts for big scopes, it just feels more solid and I like the look. Oh, and there is no adjustment/droop in that mount. There is 0.5 Deg droop built in into R5's rail, which is of course very welcome for long range shooting.
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Awesome brother,congrats! I love Edgun ,it' a great product and Ed always striving for better. Looking forward to your experience ! I' m on the fence only cause it' single shot..lol
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with the R3M trigger. On my R3M (I assume you are referring to my post on secondditch's thread), after much use the factory grease wore off the sear contact points and the friction from not being properly lubricated caused the sears to "stick" not allowing them to engage fully. Lubricating the area where the two sears meet allows them to set fully each time the gun is cocked making for a (safe) enjoyable airgun. This is the advice I gave the honorable secondditch. Of course you knew that because you read my entire post before you took my words out of context?
And I'm willing to bet the R5 trigger is not all that different than the R3 but I could be wrong. Either way I'm sure they're both great (safe) triggers.
Sorry Piter, just thought I should clarify.
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