🔴 MORE COMPACT Bullpups?

IF, a compact* "needs" a moderator, and in fitting said moderator the barrel/moderator protrudes 6" pass the bottle, then that IMO is a nonsense.

May as well have a full size bottle.



Harry,

I'm with you! 👍🏼



What you say also applies to bullpups that have a long enough shroud to get them quiet enough — but the manufacturer shortchanged the user by not extending the airtube/ bottle to the end of the shroud.

Here's a link to a thread where I examined 40 bullpups and the length of their air reservoirs....

➔ Some bullpups have very ANEMIC AIR TUBES/ BOTTLES!! Why don't they give us a longer air tube/ bottle? 😟

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/bullpups-why-dont-they-give-us-a-longer-air-tube/



Matthias 😊
 
Here yeah go...shortest of the bunch -

Airmaks - Caiman at 22.6" lg. CZ barrel and all ! Although it's now a little longer with the "Fat Boy" on it, but still shorter than its bigger brother the "X" version . Smooth cocking action, easy to load.

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Caiman X at 27.5" lg.

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I like shooting my Caiman (.22) (and the X). Comfortable at the shoulder, accurate. Nice looking (to me).

Mike

Wow those are crazy looking and super short! I like it.
 
MORE COMPACT Bullpups?

(3 parts: Wonderings — Gun List — and Questions)




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WONDERINGS
I'm all in favor of making airguns more powerful — with slugs leading the way.
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However, I also favor airguns being SHORT! (Not just bullpups per se, but COMPACT bullpups.)


So, I see product development going full speed for more power.

But I'm not seeing product development hastening to shorten the guns.....
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Sure, a lot of so called "compact" bullpups are coming out — but none beats the EDgun Lelya 2 with its short 23.4" (=59.5cm) without power reduction.
The Lelya 2 has been around for over half a decade.... And by now I would have expected bullpups being offered in say 20" (=51cm) or less.....


The manufacturers are inventing new technologies to create more power, and create it more consistently. Great! More power to them!! 
But I would have expected that they would ALSO create new technologies to: 
• reduce the length of the action
• facilitate shorter but higher pressure air bursts — while keeping muzzle velocity variations small
• improve shrouds and silencers to keep the noise down — while still creating the same power despite a shorter barrel.....


Well, I'll put it on my Christmas wishlist when I write to Eduard and Axel....
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GUN LIST of COMPACT BULLPUPS


So, below is a list of compact bullpups  (plus Leshiy), sorted from shorter to longer.

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23.4" = 59.5cm: EDGun Lelya 2.0 — came out in 2016 [Lelya 1 is too rare to be included]

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23.6" = 60cm: Taipan Veteran Compact

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23.9" = 61cm: Ataman BP17

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24.9" = 63.3cm: EDgun Leshiy [Classic 250mm] 

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24.5" = 62cm: KalibrGun Cricket 2 Compact — Discontinued

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24.5" = 62cm: AGT Uragan Compact

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24.9" = 63.3cm: RTI Prophet Compact

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25.0" = 63.5cm: FX Impact M3 Compact

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25.2" = 64cm: KalibrGun Argus 45

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25.5" = 64.8cm: EDgun Leshiy 2 Short

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25.7" = 65.3: RTI Prophet Performance Compact 



————————The following are excluded, because they have just "REGULAR" bullpup length — call them "compact" all you want:
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26.8" = 68cm: FX Wildcat MKIII "Compact"
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27.5" = 70cm: FX Maverick "Compact"
————————The following gun appears(!) short, but once you silence it to the level of the other bullpups, it's not compact anymore, just a regular bullpup size:
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24.8" = 63cm — PLUS silencer!: STEYR Pro X Scout






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3 QUESTIONS


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(1) Are there more?

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(2) Which ones (besides FX) can have the regulator adjusted without degassing or complicated disassembly?
(something as simple as taking the stock off to get to the regulator would be fine)

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(3) Which ones shoot slugs pretty well (besides the FX)?




Thanks for your help!

Matthias


Since you're being so technical about what and what isn't compact. Neither Leshiy 1 or 2 are bullpups. :)