I realize this is subjective but what is your opinion of the most refined repeating air rifle made?
Most refined repeating air rifle?
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I only had the opportunity to hold the Daystate .303 Wolverine Hi-lite (owner wouldn't let me shoot it) and that one rifle made my collection (FX Boss, s410 TDR, Condor ss, Marauder, Rotek, Diana Luxus Pro Compact, and Hatsan 135) look paltry as a whole!
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From a fit and finish stand point, Daystate has my vote. Just beautiful in every aspect. From a different prospective, the FWB 10m guns are a work of art all their own.
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Depends on the distance, Mutant 22 under 50 yards, Cricket 22 and 25 at 100 yards plus,
Mike
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come on guys, Im guessing refined = Perfect machining, attention to detail and flawless innerworkings. I doubt the mutant is anywhere near a daystate in that regard. Or any other east block gun. Good rifles? yes. refined? naaah
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What he (☝) said. That Muant doesn't have 50% of the aesthetics embodied by a Daystate. Man, you really have to look one those things over to see the craftsmanship in them. Made me feel like an idiot complaining about the .303 High-Lite's price tag.
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Not gonna speak of other ones that I haven't seen or owned so for what I've owned the BSA R10 MK2s are one of the nicest especially for the money.
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My vote goes to Daystate, though I've seen some RAWs that looked awfully good. RAW has taken the Rapid platform to a very high leve, and Martin sees to it that the finish is excellent. I have owned several Daystates of various configurations and vintages, and my Mk 4 is as well finished as anything I have owned, and far superior to some powderburners which listed for more.
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The Taipan metal work is up there with Daystate but the wood work on the stock is inferior. The actual mechanics and valve efficiency is much better on the Mutant.
If we are talking about "refined" as being that overall feeling of luxury when you hold and shoot a rifle, I think you might have to add a Ripley into the mix.
For people that have never heard of them (which I guess is most people), Ripley is a tiny manufacturer of custom handmade air rifles in the UK. They have that old-school hand finished quality that we don't get anymore because it would be too expensive. We are talking about some seriously sexy metal and wood work and guns made to your specs. I haven't used one but from what I have read and heard, we have no parallel here.
AOA has had a used one available for some time. It is selling for $4000 which is more than 3 times higher than the original retail price, which should go some way to explaining their perceived value. I'm told there is a lengthy waiting list to order one new.
Aside from that, you would be looking at some of the Steyr guns and may be RAW and Daystate. I think the definition of "refined" needs some more input to be able to narrow it down as I could think of a few ways it would be open to different interpretations.
If we are talking about "refined" as being that overall feeling of luxury when you hold and shoot a rifle, I think you might have to add a Ripley into the mix.
For people that have never heard of them (which I guess is most people), Ripley is a tiny manufacturer of custom handmade air rifles in the UK. They have that old-school hand finished quality that we don't get anymore because it would be too expensive. We are talking about some seriously sexy metal and wood work and guns made to your specs. I haven't used one but from what I have read and heard, we have no parallel here.
AOA has had a used one available for some time. It is selling for $4000 which is more than 3 times higher than the original retail price, which should go some way to explaining their perceived value. I'm told there is a lengthy waiting list to order one new.
Aside from that, you would be looking at some of the Steyr guns and may be RAW and Daystate. I think the definition of "refined" needs some more input to be able to narrow it down as I could think of a few ways it would be open to different interpretations.
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Not saying you are wrong but I am curious to know why that one gets your vote. I have never used one so I am interested to hear why you rate it above the others ones mentioned here?
I know they have a following but I still don't hear much about them.
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Since "refined" is not a common adjective relating to airguns, I decided to base my decision on the elegance of the HW100. The HW100 is a 14 shot repeater with an unusual two piece receiver. The receiver is cast in two parts and held together by two machine screws. This two piece design produces a deep notch in the breech allowing the 14 shot rotary non mechanical magazine to sit low in the receiver, allowing the use of low rings. The magazine advance mechanism in the gun is designed to make double loading almost impossible. Many people regard the magazine system the finest available on an airgun. The gun is regulated and has a reputation for accuracy and consistency. The fit and finish of metal and wood is flawless. It has a functional safety, an excellent adjustable trigger, and probably the smoothest lever action of any PCP. The gun is not a powerhouse, maxing out at around 26 fpe in .22.
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Yeah, refined? Could mean different things to different people. The Impact is the most refined gun I know of in terms of user adjustments. But in all truth its kinda ugly to those who love fine wood stocked rifles. I would guess most would take refined to refer to workmanship, fit and finish, and advanced usability. As in balance and quick pointing. I really like nice wood on a gun. I bought a pretty deer rifle in 270. It's one of the more expensive Brownings. But it isn't really 'refined' if you compare it to a $5k ( or far more ) custom made rifle. I think the Wildcat is refined. Mine is synthetic though. If it had a power wheel and a nice wood stock it would be a lot more refined.
As an after thought: RAW guns are definitely refined. But for hunters that walk they are too heavy. Which is why I don't have one yet.
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I understand liking nice wood. I like nice wood myself but I rarely see it on factory stocks. It's very rare on air guns unless you buy your own blank and get something made custom.
Because everyone is trying to cut costs, the factory wood stocks on most air guns is almost universally disappointing and I would prefer a well made synthetic stock than poor quality wood. Bad wood makes me angry every time I look at it.
There are a few Daystate rifles that come with nice (ish) wood and a few niche brands but not many. Wood is not the best material for accuracy or durability so if it's not stunning, it detracts instead of adds.
Because everyone is trying to cut costs, the factory wood stocks on most air guns is almost universally disappointing and I would prefer a well made synthetic stock than poor quality wood. Bad wood makes me angry every time I look at it.
There are a few Daystate rifles that come with nice (ish) wood and a few niche brands but not many. Wood is not the best material for accuracy or durability so if it's not stunning, it detracts instead of adds.
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That Steyr rifle looks to have the same magazine setup as my Steyr LP50 pistol making it semi-automatic. Interesting."Navnesen"I'll have to agree on the HW 100. The Steyr Hunting 5/5A are also "refined".
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