AirMaks Arms My new Caiman X gen 2

JimD

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I reIceived a new Caiman X in 22 caliber from Utah Air on Tuesday. I ordered it the previous Saturday. Utah spent a few days checking to be sure it held air and seemed to shoot OK. They included a target with 18 grain JSBs that I think was probably shot at 10 yards. This is my sixth PCP and it cost about as much as any 3 of the other 5. I wanted to try a nicer one and this is the one I picked. Price was part of the reason but it is also lighter than most at about 6.5 lbs and has a CZ barrel. It is unusually short. The barrel is over 500mm long but the gun is only about 28 inches long. So it's not much more than 6 inches longer than the barrel. The action is a little different than what I consider a typical PCP with a hammer that slides in a tube. The Caiman action has a hammer that pivots to strike the valve and it is more vertical than horizontal. The hammer spring adjustment is on the bottom of the rifle at the rear, not on the end of the airtube.

I was a little surprised that it needed as much tweaking as it has. It arrived shooting 18 grain JSBs about 935 fps. The test target said about 910 fps. Since I've been tuning it I've noticed the velocity can jump around a little like this. It happened to me today when I had the action out of the stock and put it back. Velocity jumped - also to 935 - and I had to turn down the hammer spring 1/4 turn to get it back to where I left it. I'm going to have to watch this. I believe the regulator is set to about 100 bar. That seems pretty low to me for around 875 fps on an 18 grain. It is using about 2 bar per shot so I could get as many as 100 shots per fill if I filled it to the full 300 bar it is rated to handle. I won't but even at 250 bar I should get about 75 shots. Changing the hammer spring is not hard and can easily be done without removing the stock. There is a lock screw for the hammer spring screw and it will move if you do not use it.

The most disappointing thing about the as received condition is the trigger pull. When I got it the pull was light but had a LOT of creep. It was easily worse than any of my 5 much less expensive guns. There are no instructions in the "manual" for adjusting this but once you get the stock off it's pretty easy. There are no instructions for getting the stock off either, however, nor for adjusting the hammer spring or even filling the magazine. Part of it is super easy there are two nice big allen headed screws on the bottom of the stock. But the safety pin also has to come out. This moved from the rear of the stock on the original Caiman to right above the trigger on the version I have. That is better. I did not figure out that there is a screw within the trigger guard area that controls the weight of a flat spring pushing on a ball bearing that rubs the safety pin. I tapped it out with a wood dowel and small hammer but I bent the pin in the process. I am sure this would have gone better if I had loosened that screw. I found it putting it back together. Once the stock is off there are two adjustments. The creep is controlled by the sear engagement that is just a lock screw and one allen headed screw on the bottom of the action. There is even a circular window where you can see the sear engagement. You want to adjust this screw to get rid of creep but please DO NOT try and make the trigger lighter with this setting. You want it to be creep free but ignore the pull weight. There is another adjustment for that. On the rod for the trigger is a ball point pen type spring with a locking collar on one end. Loosen the grub screw on the collar and you can get to a very low pull weight. I measured 4 ounces on my fish scale. I wasn't even at the minimum. I set it a bit higher but still under a pound. With adjustments this is my best trigger. It's disappointing it was set so poorly initially. It is clean and crisp and can be as light as you could reasonably want.

My stock did not fit my action real well either. The forward screw attaching the top part of the stock to the action could not be tightened when I got the gun, it would distort the stock. I #10 washer between the action and the stock solved that. The other issue was the cover over the manometer kept popping off. The top part of the stock was rubbing it a little. The stock is so thin it flexes some and when it did it popped that cover off. I used a drum sander on my drill press to relieve the area of contact and put a little epoxy on the manometer cover. Seems to be fixed.

You will also see that I made a cherry spacer to increase the length of pull. It came at a reasonable 14 inches or a little more but I like closer to 15. So I picked up a scrap piece of cherry off the floor of my shop and made a spacer. I shot the gun from the bench to test pellets without it but it is nice to have it fitting me now. I put the "Uncle Mike's" sling mount I use with my monopod rear rest into the spacer. Space if tight at the back of the stock.

A nice thing about the Caiman is it is reasonably quiet without an added moderator. It comes with several sections of moderator screwed together plus it ends with a 1/2 UNF fitting in the end. When it got to me with the hammer spring max'd out for the regulator setting it was noisy and I put on my Tanto. But when I got the hammer spring more reasonable adjusted it seems significantly quieter and I am just using the stock baffles. I may look into adding a section or two to the stock moderator.

It came with two magazines (which is nice because extras are apparently over $50) and they hold 10 rounds. This keeps them small and they do not bother me at all shooting from my left shoulder. I moved the cocking lever from the left to the right. That was not hard but you have to take off the upper part of the stock. There are instructions for that in the manual. I did not get the air evacuation tool I expected nor is there a plug on the fill port. I have a request into Utah about those parts. They do not seem expensive in the Air Maks web page so even if I have to buy them it is no big deal. Seems like they should be included.

I have not shot this enough to have a definitive position on accuracy but I think it will end up more accurate than my less expensive PCPs. I attached the first 30 yard challenge target I shot with it - the only one so far. Winds were 7-10 mph when I shot this. I've shot many better targets like this including a 200 and three 199s with my P35-22 but I've never shot one over 190 in wind until this one. I'm thus pretty sure I can shoot a 200 when I get less wind to shoot in. I shot at least 4 5 shot groups at 30 yards with H&N 18 grain pellets that were .2-.3 inches center to center when I was testing pellets. That was in windy conditions too. I still haven't even cleaned the barrel.

Shooting this is a little nicer than my less expensive guns but isn't really much different. When I am making an adjustment or something I can see it is better machined and is generally well designed and thought through. I am also unsure about velocity variation. I do not see a declining curve of velocity with tank pressure as has been reported but I do see a somewhat high ES. I was measuring velocity as I shot that 30 yard challenge target and I think the ES was about 42 fps. That's worse than my cheap guns by at least a factor of two except for the unregulated Prod. It has a huma regulator so that shouldn't be the issue. I need to watch some videos on the Katran to see what those owners report. It may be that the unique hammer arrangement of air maks guns contributes some to the ES. Or my gun may just be breaking in. I don't think it affects the accuracy at 30 yards but it would if I stretch it out so hopefully it improves. But long range accuracy is much less of a concern to me than accuracy within 50 yards and I don't see the ES as a likely issue within 50 yards.

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Regarding the velocity swings, the first thing to do with any regulated PCP is get it adjusted to the velocity knee. Or to say it another way, start by setting the hammer spring tension in harmony to the regulator setpoint.

 
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I agree, I am about 5% below the maximum velocity for the regulator setting. It seems to like this setting fine and I see no difference in the first shot of the day and the rest of a short string. But I have seen velocity jump 5% without me touching the regulator or the hammer spring setting. 1/4 turn on the hammer spring fixed it. My gun is so new it seems credible it is settling down but it makes me wonder about the unique hammer design.
 
I agree, I am about 5% below the maximum velocity for the regulator setting. It seems to like this setting fine and I see no difference in the first shot of the day and the rest of a short string. But I have seen velocity jump 5% without me touching the regulator or the hammer spring setting. 1/4 turn on the hammer spring fixed it. My gun is so new it seems credible it is settling down but it makes me wonder about the unique hammer design.
Have You visited AirMaks Arms website "Documents" tab? There is some additional information that's not in the manual.

https://www.airmaksarms.com/caiman-manuals
 
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Wow, sounds like a bit of a hassle.

I received a Caiman, Mk2, in .22 a couple of weeks back. I haven't had the problems that you've had at all. But yeah, the "manual" if you can call it that, was of the first design Caiman / Caiman X
The upper stock locating holes and countersink locations are VERY good. No distortion or binding at all. I checked this carefully as if they are too far off, it can cause eventual cracking of the wood.

I adjust all of my guns to shoot in the 800fps range (short range). While I didn't shoot a full air cylinder full of pellets, the magazine full that I did shoot were just a couple (5 or 6 fps different as I recall) of feet per second off of each other.
Most of the pellet weight that I use is either FX, or JSB 18.1 gr. Occasionally up or down a weight, but mostly the 18 grain.

Mine was also shooting in the 930 feet per second range out of the box. And was...loud ! I cut it down to an average of 810 feet per second, much better sound wise, but still required a secondary muffler. As you can see below, I removed all of the factory baffles and just added an external device.

As for the trigger. I didn't need to do any adjusting at all to mine. A nice light first stage takeup, a solid wall, and while not creap free, it's well controlled for a $1400 gun. See below for help on that creep feeling...
A little oil here and there smoothed things out nicely in my gun.
ALWAYS, where there is rotating, sliding or rubbing of any type...a lubricant is required. That "windlow" that you mention, yeah, a little oil on the sear and the pins go a long way toward cleaning the trigger up nicely.
And remember, on those...sliding surfaces, as always, some breakin time will also help.

My upper and lower stock fits "fairly" well. Oddly enough, there was more gap in the back, between the upper and lower. But, after taking it apart, and putting it back together, the "fit" got much tighter. Don't know how that...worked, but it did.

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Mike
 
Thanks Loff and Mike. I got the pdf of the "manual" before I bought the gun and it is the same as what came with the gun. It shows the screws which now secure the wood upper stock to the action but does not show a degassing screw it is supposed to have. After my post I got a call from Utah Air saying they do not supply a degassing tool any more because they put a screw on the air tube. I haven't taken the stock back off to look for it - yet. As long as that is true I don't mind the lack of the original tool that seems to just give you a way to screw adjust the valve open. Reports on that tool are not totally positive. I did not notice the MKII diagram last time and I downloaded it when I looked again a Loff's suggestion. It also does not seem to show a degassing screw. I ordered the plug for the fill port from Utah Air. I needed more H&N Baracuda 18 pellets. My Caiman likes them better than JSB, havn't tried FX but the H&N gave me consistent .2-.3 inch groups at 30 yards - basically quarter inch 5 shot groups. It's funny how guns prefer certain pellets.
 
Thanks Loff and Mike. I got the pdf of the "manual" before I bought the gun and it is the same as what came with the gun. It shows the screws which now secure the wood upper stock to the action but does not show a degassing screw it is supposed to have. After my post I got a call from Utah Air saying they do not supply a degassing tool any more because they put a screw on the air tube. I haven't taken the stock back off to look for it - yet. As long as that is true I don't mind the lack of the original tool that seems to just give you a way to screw adjust the valve open. Reports on that tool are not totally positive. I did not notice the MKII diagram last time and I downloaded it when I looked again a Loff's suggestion. It also does not seem to show a degassing screw. I ordered the plug for the fill port from Utah Air. I needed more H&N Baracuda 18 pellets. My Caiman likes them better than JSB, havn't tried FX but the H&N gave me consistent .2-.3 inch groups at 30 yards - basically quarter inch 5 shot groups. It's funny how guns prefer certain pellets.
Jim -

Just as a heads up...
Did you put the safety pin back in place ? It's not in place in the picture above.

Depending on a couple of parts adjustments, the "lower sear" half, can slide over its mate and lock the trigger back ! A hard smack with the gun in the shooting position "can" unlock the two parts... But having the safety pin in place keeps the trigger blade from moving too far forward to engage this locked position.

Adjust as you wish, but beware.

I refused to spend $12 for a $3 part ! I bought the plug that's in my Caimans at an auto, nut and bolt shop. It cost about 75 cents. It doesn't go all the way though, but it plugs up the entrance hole well.

MIke
 
Mike, I have my safety pin back in now. I removed it without backing off the spring on the ball detent and distorted the pin in the process. I also nicked the hole it goes through. I got that straightened out this morning and got the pin back in. I am careful with gun direction and with only loading the gun when I am ready to shoot but still I think a safety is necessary. I've experienced the issue with the trigger parts jambing when I was testing the trigger pull. But I was unloaded and got it straightened out.

I took both parts of the stock off again a few minutes ago to look for the degassing screw and I don't see one. Either it is unobvious in appearance or what Utah Air said is incorrect. I guess there is always dry firing until empty..... I do not see a need to degas but if you or others have an idea I am open to suggestions. I can unstock it a lot easier now. I greased up the cocking mechanism while I was in there and I reduced the trigger pull slightly. I had to pull the scope to take the top of the stock off so I just shot a few shots to make sure it is sighted in. Either I or it were not shooting well. I'll have to try again in the morning. It's easy to sight in when you are shooting 1/4 inch groups but if they open up to twice that it's not as obvious if a change is necessary. Probably just things settling down after being apart. Manometer cover is staying on.

I did a google search for the plug for the fill port and found it at Utah Air - who said they would have to order it. Oh well. I needed some Baracuda 18s so I gave them an order. Overpriced plug I'm sure but at least I only paid the shipping once. They were slightly more expensive for the pellets than Pyramyd but I can't get too upset over less than $20. At least it likes H&N instead of JSBs - I'll save that $20 back pretty quickly.
 
I think I found the reason for my high ES. It is in Mike's earlier post. I was thinking about it overnight and friction in the hammer pivot seemed like a credible cause for what I was seeing. So I took the bottom portion of the stock off (getting to be quick and easy) and put a drop of FP-10 on both sides of all the pivot points I saw including the hammer pivot. The gun cocks smoother and the first shot was over 940 fps! Seems consistent with me reducing friction. So I dialed it down half a turn and it got to a more reasonable (and quieter) 910 fps. I thought 910 was still a bit high on a cool day like today (55 degrees F) so I turned it down some more and thought I had it about 875 which would have been fine with me. But after 5 shots or so, it dropped about 50 fps and stayed there. I filled it back up to 200 bar thinking maybe I was wrong about the regulator but it stayed low. So I turned it up again and got it to about 895 fps. It seems to be accurate at that level so I left it there. I fired 7 shots at this setting and they varied by 10.4 fps. Not a long string and not supper low but a lot better - especially since the gun is still breaking in. I could have stayed around 825 but it didn't seem to be as accurate with the 18 grain Baracudas at that velocity. Seems to like them going 875-900. Maybe faster would be OK but I prefer to not want to push them much past 900. It's still windy here and I'm nearly out of the 18 grain Baracudas so I may wait for my pellet order to arrive to try again. But if the wind dies down.....

I also cleaned the barrel. I should have done that first thing, it was kind of dirty and lubing the pivot points is a pretty obvious thing to do on a new gun too. The more I figure out on this little gun the more I like it. The extra couple pounds versus my P35s also keeps it better planted at the bench. It is solidly planted on my bipod and monopod. Makes setting zero much easier.
 
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I was too optomistic. I just shot another 30 yard challenge target (the wind died down right before dark) and the ES was 48. The first shots after the gun has been sitting are high, like 10-20 fps more than the rest of the string. Ideas are welcome.

On the more positive side I shot slightly better on the 30 yard challenge. A 192 9X. It was a "Master" target where there are no mulligans but there was also no wind this time. I had three cells with 18s. I was adjusting the scope still on two of them. So I will shoot better. You can see the target in the 30 yard challenge thread.
 
Jim -

While, like I said, I don't examine my guns (any of them), every shot, but have you talked to the guys at Utah Airguns, see what they have to say ?

If I hear a different sound report, from a shot, then I'll get the test stuff out and check. Otherwise I just shoot.
Though as with all of the "stuff" about the Krait regulator problems, I did buy a digital gauge for the regulator side, so I could monitor that. As most know, there is no gauge on the Caiman for after the regulator. That would help tell of problems.

Mike
 
Mike,

I talked to Utah Air but not about this. I may need to call them this week. After my last HS change (which was also after lubrication of the pivot points), I shot 7 times and thought the issue was largely behind me. I'd shot 27 times since the lubrication in total and there were no long strings but it was mostly consistent. I did have one string of 8 shots at the same HS setting that varied from 873 to 817. Quite a big change. I thought maybe I'd gone off reg (I was at about 135 bar) so I refilled to 200 bar - about all my tank could do at that point. Velocity stayed at 818. So I increased 1/4 turn, saw upper 890s to low 900s and decided to wait for less wind to shoot a target. So the gun sat for several hours. The next shots were 919, ?, ?, 911, 905.1, 897.4, 893.6, 888.8, 889.8, 889.8, 888.8, 886, 888.8, 892.6, 902.2, 895.5, 872.2, 891.7, 887.9, 871.3, 885.1, 877.7, 888.8. I was getting the scope sighted in on the first half dozen shots or so. The drop in velocity at about that point caused me have to readjust the scope in the first 4 targets of the sheet. The first 5 shots after it had been sitting being higher than the others seems like it could be significant.

I relubed the HS pivot as well as I can without knocking out the pin it pivots on using moly grease this time. When the wind dies down I plan to shoot another target and see how it goes. I'm really short on Baracuda 18 pellets so I don't want to just shoot the gun to see how consistent the velocities are. I should have more pellets Monday and plenty before the end of next week. If it is still pretty inconsistent I will call Utah Air and/or take a look at the regulator. I want it to shoot consistent velocity but will be reluctant to send it back to them. I'd rather do the work myself. Ideally if they agree it seems to be the regulator they agree to send me one to install.

The other thing which seems possible to me is the gun including the regulator is just getting broken in. I think I am still at less than 500 shots.

Thanks for your feedback.

Jim
 
I got a very nice email today from Utah's Service department, Travis specifically. He explained where the degassing screw in the 2nd generation Camin is located and I found it. Travis even included pictures including how to get the stock off. I wish the manual that comes with the gun did that. The degassing screw is on the rear end of the air tube but It is under a black colored projection of the action that the trigger rod is above. You have to loosen two screws that hold the air tube in place and slide it forward to see the degassing screw. I wish it was a bit more visible and easier to get to but at least there is one. The previous arrangement where you are manually opening the valve didn't seem great. Several small but nice changes in the second generation.

I also shot another 33 shot string today where the ES was "only" 37. That's better at least. It started at about 940 fps like before but it did not go down as far and only went down very gradually. I think that is too fast so I took 1/4 turn off the hammer spring and got it down around 875. But 10 shots at that velocity has an ES over 40. So now I'm wondering if the ES gets larger as I get close to the regulator setting. I aired up and will shoot another string after the gun has set for several hours. 37 is still high enough I had to adjust my point of airm on a 30 yard challenge target but if it keeps getting better.....

The first string was another 30 yard challenge target. I think it was a 191 but it had 13Xs. I shot about that from a couple of my P35s today. Wind has been pretty calm.

I shot another 30 yard challenge at a slightly lower velocity about 6pm. It was a 194 13X. My only PCP that's done better is my P35-22 (it has my only 200 and a 197 so far this year). But, more to the point, the ES was down to 34. I hope the trend continues.
 
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Well the trend I was hoping I saw Tuesday did not continue. The velocity early Wednesday was back up well over 900 fps and gradually fell as I shot more, just as it has each day I've owned it - until today. There is a thread by "weevil" talking about a regulator fix and I decided to try it. I think it worked! My ES's are now roughly the same as the number of shots for short strings. 20-30 shot strings, 20 something ES. 15 shot string, under 20 ES. But even more telling to me is the fact that the first shot this afternoon after the gun sat for about 16 hours was consistent with where it was shooting late yesterday when I shot it. This is the first time that's happened. The change is not difficult to accomplish nor is it time consuming nor does it require special tools. It is deccribed well in Weevil's thread - which I just updated with my information.

An ES in the 20s is still high relative to my other regulated PCPs but I think that may relate to the size of the air passages within the gun. On my other PCPs when I increase the transfer port and/or air path, the ES goes up. The port out of the valve on my Caiman is over 1/4 inch! I did not check the rest of the path but it seems like it has to be good sized to get fpe in the 30s from a reg setting of 100 bar.

In any event I am pleased the ES is down to something that is not an issue at the 30-35 yard range I normally shoot at.