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igolfat8 said:
Yes a MTR can be shot in the factory class in both N50 and ARA. However, ARA only allows the Walnut stock in factory class and have banned the heavier Manner's stock from their factory class.
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Thanks again!

I am almost out of batch tested ammo for my JR Langley -Verhagen so a trip to Ohio for batch testing maybe in the cards next year.

If the schedule allows I would like to come and meet all you all at a match and watch you all shoot.

As we know , in benchrest, it is the ammo-barrel combination that makes the rifle accurate and the shooter that makes that combination precise.

As such, I look forward to learning from you all.
 
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Yup Troy, you can shoot up in class, in fact you can shoot Pro but will scored with the .224 plug

Also, MTR is good to go for Factory class.
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Troy Bakel said:
Thanks again!

I am almost out of batch tested ammo for my JR Langley -Verhagen so a trip to Ohio for batch testing maybe in the cards next year.

If the schedule allows I would like to come and meet all you all at a match and watch you all shoot.

As we know , in benchrest, it is the ammo-barrel combination that makes the rifle accurate and the shooter that makes that combination precise.

As such, I look forward to learning from you all.
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Hi Troy,
We would welcome you to join us at one of our N50 matches. You are more than welcome to shoot or spectate, but it’s a LOT more fun shooting than watching. If you don’t have a rifle, let me know and I will bring an extra rifle for you to shoot.
 
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Hi Troy,
We would welcome you to join us at one of our N50 matches. You are more than welcome to shoot or spectate, but it’s a LOT more fun shooting than watching. If you don’t have a rifle, let me know and I will bring an extra rifle for you to shoot.
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Thanks!

I will bring my Thomas .177 < 12FPE BR and enjoy holding off two full target blocks when adjusting for your wind conditions!!!!

Which means you will have to be nice enough to let me rotate the target 180° when my hold off is not on the paper!
 
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Thanks!

I will bring my Thomas .177 < 12FPE BR and enjoy holding off two full target blocks when adjusting for your wind conditions!!!!

Which means you will have to be nice enough to let me rotate the target 180° when my hold off is not on the paper!
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I will certainly allow you to do that Troy. I look forward to meeting you in person and having you join our group for a fun filled afternoon.

Now let’s return this thread back to Mike’s OT.
 
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I will certainly allow you to do that Troy. I look forward to meeting you in person and having you join our group for a fun filled afternoon.

Now let’s return this thread back to Mike’s OT.
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In regards to returning to Mr Niksch's topic:

The useless input began at post #12 and continued off and on until this very page with some of that useless input coming from me.

Normally I just speed read through a post on this forum until I find something of interest then I research the statement and DM the applicable poster for clarification.

This thread is a perfect example of why Precision Benchrest needs its own internet site with a membership fee of $10 a year.

Think of the information we could get from Mr Niksch and various others like @Ballisticboy without all the static from trolls and Non Precision Benchrest shooters.

Those that think the 1st Amendment gives them the right to speak in every forum forget that the 1st Amendment does not give them the right to be heard.

The money would go to running the site with each active member being part owner.

The moderator(s) would be responsible for lining up interviews with national and world level match shooters and manufacturers of Precision Benchrest rifles and equipment. Members who post research on subjects related to Precision Benchrest, shooting, rifles, and equipment would have free membership the following year.

We are a small and very talented community with a tremendous amount of knowledge that needs to be passed on and this forum is just not the vehicle for that transfer.
 
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I'm making this thread to address some of the misconceptions that inexperienced shooters have when they come to their first N50 or USARB type precision BR match ...or when they first get acquainted with an experienced and accomplished precision air BR shooter. Clubs can exist where all of the shooters at the club are inexperienced and they are usually very happy shooting with each other until an experienced shooter shows up and upsets the established balance. The experienced shooter will usually have much more specialized equipment and it will be the first thing to come under the lens of the inexperienced.



What am I referring to when I say specialized equipment?



I'm talking about things that make life easier for the precision shooter. One of the main items in this category is the rest setup. New shooters often use items like sand bags or bipods to support the rifle because they are things they already have or can at least obtain with a low investment cost. The low cost items are fully able to support a rifle properly to make an accurate shot, but lack the ability to easily move to the next bull without a lot of wiggling, squeezing, and general fiddling to get the crosshair aligned and gun settled for the next shot. Here is where the mechanical front rest comes in to play. With a mechanical front rest....you can simple turn a knob or move a joystick to position yourself at the next bull. The accuracy of the gun is not improved in any way over the more modest means of support , but the convenience factor is improved dramatically. Will this improved convenience factor result in better scores? Maybe, if you are an inexperienced shooter. The reason for this is because you will be less likely to take a shot before you are optimally positioned or before the rifle is properly settled. An experienced shooter can shoot the same scores with the low budget items....but since precision BR is something they do a lot of....they don't want to.



Next up is the one piece rest vs the two piece setup. The consensus among people that have no experience with the one piece in air rifle BR is that it will surely produce higher scores. They mostly think that because some disciplines have rules that exclude the one piece setup and they apply the standard logic of thinking that if something is not allowed it is because it's unfair to anyone that doesn't have it. Most all of the rules in Precision Air Rifle BR were borrowed from established centerfire or rimfire disciplines that existed long before air. The air rifles used in precision air BR are rather anemic compared to even a 22lr rimfire rifle. The leading air rifles in n50 are about 1/2 the power of 22lr. The rifles used in usarb are yet another small fraction of that. There is no performance improvement in a one piece rest vs a two piece in precision air rifle BR. Anyone that claims there is has surely not tested that claim in a proper manner. If you shoot higher scores with a one piece it's probably because you haven't figured out how to properly set up a two piece or are simply careless when doing so. Maybe you have a bind somewhere creating a torque or you are not careful about your bag spacing or something else. Once you set up a one piece you really don't have to think about it again. I prefer a one piece because I can make the trip to and from the bench in one less trip. Rifle in one hand and rest in the other. If I use a two piece I have to make an extra trip. I also like the more rearward position of the elevation and windage controls. I made a thread a while back on my slug gun comparing the scores of a series of cards shot from both my one and two piece setup. Although I actually shot more xs off the 2 piece, they scores were identical. If I had shot 100 cards off each, there would be no significant difference unless I got sloppy on my setup. The 2 piece that runs on sand bags is actually easier to find a good setup using my slug gun than the one piece that uses hard rest points. Some one piece rests have no provision for adjusting the spacing between the front and rear rest points and are completely unsuitable with my slug gun that needs a specific spacing to shoot well. In N50...we made no rules about rest. This was because the guys that made the rules are experienced precision air rifle BR shooters and know there is no actual accuracy advantage to any of the setups in air rifle. Disallowing something would only serve to inconvenience the dedicated guys that keep the game going. The inexperienced guys come and go. Most people will never stay in the game long enough to be competitive.



Tethering is another subject that comes under false judgement. Some new shooters believe that there is somehow a score advantage to tethering your rifle to a big tank. The advantage is that you don't have to refill your rifle and can shoot all day without worrying about that. I've heard many say that they wish they could tether but can't afford the expense of an external regulator. Well, guess what? You don't need an external regulator to tether a gun with an internal regulator. All you need is an external tank that has a higher pressure than your internal regulator....but not higher than the safe fill limit of your rifle. If you can fill your rifle to 250 bar....then you can tether a 250 bar external tank and shoot until the pressure in the big tank goes below the internal regulator pressure. Everything you need to do this is already owned by pretty much every pcp owner. Don't expect your scores to go up when you start tethering unless you were prone to shooting below your internal regulator pressure, before. Your enjoyment factor will increase, though.



How about remote triggers? Man, those things are so unfair. Let's look at the reality of this for a bit. First off, we should examine the top scores and see what kind of trigger system they used. In the pellet class, all of the top club scores and national champions used a mechanical trigger. Wait, how can this possibly be? Well, it's clearly because it doesn't actually provide an accuracy advantage over operating a mechanical trigger on the rifle. The guns that have the remote trigger (Thomas) are the same guns that have the mechanical triggers that have shot higher scores.... by the very same people. In reality the remote trigger guns are equally as accurate...but certainly not more accurate. The remote triggers are a convenient way of firing the gun from a comfortable position. That's the big advantage....however, that big advantage doesn't show up on the target.



Lastly, we have the very common "he's not even touching the gun" comment. This one is hard to figure out because anyone can decide to not touch their gun if they want to. Often the first comment is followed up with something about how if the shooters cheek, hands, and shoulder isn't on the gun than they aren't really shooting it. In BR....There are no extra points for someone that hangs on to their rifle. There are no points deducted from someone that doesn't. The game of precision BR was invented to showcase the most accurate rifles. The job of the shooter is to manage his equipment and read the wind to make the best holdoff.... which will make the most of the rifle...every shot. Air rifle BR is not about who can hold the rifle still and interact with it the most. The guys that have the most accurate rifles and the best wind reading skills win...always.



N50 could change the rules to disallow mechanical rests, remote triggers, tethering...and require the shooter to make cheek, shoulder, and hand contact with the gun. This could possibly attract a bunch of new shooters. The problem is that the exact same guys with the exact same rifles will still be at the top of the leaderboard...and eventually the new shooters will figure that out and leave anyway. Most people don't stay very long in precision BR because it's very difficult to be competitive with those that have put in the effort. That's the bottom line.



If you don't compete in precision BR because you don't have the fancy support equipment and believe that you cannot be competitive without it....you are not seeing the real picture. If you stay in the game long enough to become competitive...you will come to the realization that everything I've written above is spot on.



Mike
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Hi Mike. Excellent piece, thank you for writing this and capturing the key points that I have personally expereicned so succinctly. Been shooting N50 rimfire for almost 2 years and I will observe that Joe always beats me with a pistol, a sandbag, and a bipod, while I'm using 2500X in either a one or two piece rest. I become a fair shooter overtime, and learn something new every week. The best part is the friendship and coaching from the guys at the range. We laugh a lot and our scores keep improving even in the challenging conditions at Open Grove. While I've only shot rimfire so far, I see an air gun in my future. That surely will be my demise!
 
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thomasair said:
The cost of a Cowan front rest or a Bald Eagle is very little compared to a Lenzi....but the Lenzi won't produce higher scores.

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Thanks for mentioning the Bald Eagle, Mike. I'd seen the Cowan mentioned before, but it looks like they are no longer available for sale (other than on the used market). The Bald Eagle is in my price range, so I'll take a good hard look at it. The latest edition of the Saber Tactical rest that came out in Aug 2024 also caught my eye. It's in the same price range as the Bald Eagle, and it looks sturdier than the original version.

Any opinions on the Bald Eagle vs. the Saber Tactical Pro Universal?
 
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thomasair said:
I don't know anything about the saber tactical rest. I didn't even know there was such a thing.

The bald eagles that I used had the windage cable thing removed replaced with a knob, and used a speed screw on the rear foot for fine adjustment.

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Thanks, Mike. I've got a partially paralyzed left hand, so I'm not sure how well I would be able to use the cable style windage adjustment on the Bald Eagle. Is replacing it with a wheel or knob fairly easy?
 
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thomasair said:
I'm making this thread to address some of the misconceptions that inexperienced shooters have when they come to their first N50 or USARB type precision BR match ...or when they first get acquainted with an experienced and accomplished precision air BR shooter. Clubs can exist where all of the shooters at the club are inexperienced and they are usually very happy shooting with each other until an experienced shooter shows up and upsets the established balance. The experienced shooter will usually have much more specialized equipment and it will be the first thing to come under the lens of the inexperienced.



What am I referring to when I say specialized equipment?



I'm talking about things that make life easier for the precision shooter. One of the main items in this category is the rest setup. New shooters often use items like sand bags or bipods to support the rifle because they are things they already have or can at least obtain with a low investment cost. The low cost items are fully able to support a rifle properly to make an accurate shot, but lack the ability to easily move to the next bull without a lot of wiggling, squeezing, and general fiddling to get the crosshair aligned and gun settled for the next shot. Here is where the mechanical front rest comes in to play. With a mechanical front rest....you can simple turn a knob or move a joystick to position yourself at the next bull. The accuracy of the gun is not improved in any way over the more modest means of support , but the convenience factor is improved dramatically. Will this improved convenience factor result in better scores? Maybe, if you are an inexperienced shooter. The reason for this is because you will be less likely to take a shot before you are optimally positioned or before the rifle is properly settled. An experienced shooter can shoot the same scores with the low budget items....but since precision BR is something they do a lot of....they don't want to.



Next up is the one piece rest vs the two piece setup. The consensus among people that have no experience with the one piece in air rifle BR is that it will surely produce higher scores. They mostly think that because some disciplines have rules that exclude the one piece setup and they apply the standard logic of thinking that if something is not allowed it is because it's unfair to anyone that doesn't have it. Most all of the rules in Precision Air Rifle BR were borrowed from established centerfire or rimfire disciplines that existed long before air. The air rifles used in precision air BR are rather anemic compared to even a 22lr rimfire rifle. The leading air rifles in n50 are about 1/2 the power of 22lr. The rifles used in usarb are yet another small fraction of that. There is no performance improvement in a one piece rest vs a two piece in precision air rifle BR. Anyone that claims there is has surely not tested that claim in a proper manner. If you shoot higher scores with a one piece it's probably because you haven't figured out how to properly set up a two piece or are simply careless when doing so. Maybe you have a bind somewhere creating a torque or you are not careful about your bag spacing or something else. Once you set up a one piece you really don't have to think about it again. I prefer a one piece because I can make the trip to and from the bench in one less trip. Rifle in one hand and rest in the other. If I use a two piece I have to make an extra trip. I also like the more rearward position of the elevation and windage controls. I made a thread a while back on my slug gun comparing the scores of a series of cards shot from both my one and two piece setup. Although I actually shot more xs off the 2 piece, they scores were identical. If I had shot 100 cards off each, there would be no significant difference unless I got sloppy on my setup. The 2 piece that runs on sand bags is actually easier to find a good setup using my slug gun than the one piece that uses hard rest points. Some one piece rests have no provision for adjusting the spacing between the front and rear rest points and are completely unsuitable with my slug gun that needs a specific spacing to shoot well. In N50...we made no rules about rest. This was because the guys that made the rules are experienced precision air rifle BR shooters and know there is no actual accuracy advantage to any of the setups in air rifle. Disallowing something would only serve to inconvenience the dedicated guys that keep the game going. The inexperienced guys come and go. Most people will never stay in the game long enough to be competitive.



Tethering is another subject that comes under false judgement. Some new shooters believe that there is somehow a score advantage to tethering your rifle to a big tank. The advantage is that you don't have to refill your rifle and can shoot all day without worrying about that. I've heard many say that they wish they could tether but can't afford the expense of an external regulator. Well, guess what? You don't need an external regulator to tether a gun with an internal regulator. All you need is an external tank that has a higher pressure than your internal regulator....but not higher than the safe fill limit of your rifle. If you can fill your rifle to 250 bar....then you can tether a 250 bar external tank and shoot until the pressure in the big tank goes below the internal regulator pressure. Everything you need to do this is already owned by pretty much every pcp owner. Don't expect your scores to go up when you start tethering unless you were prone to shooting below your internal regulator pressure, before. Your enjoyment factor will increase, though.



How about remote triggers? Man, those things are so unfair. Let's look at the reality of this for a bit. First off, we should examine the top scores and see what kind of trigger system they used. In the pellet class, all of the top club scores and national champions used a mechanical trigger. Wait, how can this possibly be? Well, it's clearly because it doesn't actually provide an accuracy advantage over operating a mechanical trigger on the rifle. The guns that have the remote trigger (Thomas) are the same guns that have the mechanical triggers that have shot higher scores.... by the very same people. In reality the remote trigger guns are equally as accurate...but certainly not more accurate. The remote triggers are a convenient way of firing the gun from a comfortable position. That's the big advantage....however, that big advantage doesn't show up on the target.



Lastly, we have the very common "he's not even touching the gun" comment. This one is hard to figure out because anyone can decide to not touch their gun if they want to. Often the first comment is followed up with something about how if the shooters cheek, hands, and shoulder isn't on the gun than they aren't really shooting it. In BR....There are no extra points for someone that hangs on to their rifle. There are no points deducted from someone that doesn't. The game of precision BR was invented to showcase the most accurate rifles. The job of the shooter is to manage his equipment and read the wind to make the best holdoff.... which will make the most of the rifle...every shot. Air rifle BR is not about who can hold the rifle still and interact with it the most. The guys that have the most accurate rifles and the best wind reading skills win...always.



N50 could change the rules to disallow mechanical rests, remote triggers, tethering...and require the shooter to make cheek, shoulder, and hand contact with the gun. This could possibly attract a bunch of new shooters. The problem is that the exact same guys with the exact same rifles will still be at the top of the leaderboard...and eventually the new shooters will figure that out and leave anyway. Most people don't stay very long in precision BR because it's very difficult to be competitive with those that have put in the effort. That's the bottom line.



If you don't compete in precision BR because you don't have the fancy support equipment and believe that you cannot be competitive without it....you are not seeing the real picture. If you stay in the game long enough to become competitive...you will come to the realization that everything I've written above is spot on.



Mike
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That's the best, non-denominational explanation to date. It's also spot on for other difficult to master hobbies, trades, or sports.
 
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thomasair said:
I'm making this thread to address some of the misconceptions that inexperienced shooters have when they come to their first N50 or USARB type precision BR match ...or when they first get acquainted with an experienced and accomplished precision air BR shooter. Clubs can exist where all of the shooters at the club are inexperienced and they are usually very happy shooting with each other until an experienced shooter shows up and upsets the established balance. The experienced shooter will usually have much more specialized equipment and it will be the first thing to come under the lens of the inexperienced.



What am I referring to when I say specialized equipment?



I'm talking about things that make life easier for the precision shooter. One of the main items in this category is the rest setup. New shooters often use items like sand bags or bipods to support the rifle because they are things they already have or can at least obtain with a low investment cost. The low cost items are fully able to support a rifle properly to make an accurate shot, but lack the ability to easily move to the next bull without a lot of wiggling, squeezing, and general fiddling to get the crosshair aligned and gun settled for the next shot. Here is where the mechanical front rest comes in to play. With a mechanical front rest....you can simple turn a knob or move a joystick to position yourself at the next bull. The accuracy of the gun is not improved in any way over the more modest means of support , but the convenience factor is improved dramatically. Will this improved convenience factor result in better scores? Maybe, if you are an inexperienced shooter. The reason for this is because you will be less likely to take a shot before you are optimally positioned or before the rifle is properly settled. An experienced shooter can shoot the same scores with the low budget items....but since precision BR is something they do a lot of....they don't want to.



Next up is the one piece rest vs the two piece setup. The consensus among people that have no experience with the one piece in air rifle BR is that it will surely produce higher scores. They mostly think that because some disciplines have rules that exclude the one piece setup and they apply the standard logic of thinking that if something is not allowed it is because it's unfair to anyone that doesn't have it. Most all of the rules in Precision Air Rifle BR were borrowed from established centerfire or rimfire disciplines that existed long before air. The air rifles used in precision air BR are rather anemic compared to even a 22lr rimfire rifle. The leading air rifles in n50 are about 1/2 the power of 22lr. The rifles used in usarb are yet another small fraction of that. There is no performance improvement in a one piece rest vs a two piece in precision air rifle BR. Anyone that claims there is has surely not tested that claim in a proper manner. If you shoot higher scores with a one piece it's probably because you haven't figured out how to properly set up a two piece or are simply careless when doing so. Maybe you have a bind somewhere creating a torque or you are not careful about your bag spacing or something else. Once you set up a one piece you really don't have to think about it again. I prefer a one piece because I can make the trip to and from the bench in one less trip. Rifle in one hand and rest in the other. If I use a two piece I have to make an extra trip. I also like the more rearward position of the elevation and windage controls. I made a thread a while back on my slug gun comparing the scores of a series of cards shot from both my one and two piece setup. Although I actually shot more xs off the 2 piece, they scores were identical. If I had shot 100 cards off each, there would be no significant difference unless I got sloppy on my setup. The 2 piece that runs on sand bags is actually easier to find a good setup using my slug gun than the one piece that uses hard rest points. Some one piece rests have no provision for adjusting the spacing between the front and rear rest points and are completely unsuitable with my slug gun that needs a specific spacing to shoot well. In N50...we made no rules about rest. This was because the guys that made the rules are experienced precision air rifle BR shooters and know there is no actual accuracy advantage to any of the setups in air rifle. Disallowing something would only serve to inconvenience the dedicated guys that keep the game going. The inexperienced guys come and go. Most people will never stay in the game long enough to be competitive.



Tethering is another subject that comes under false judgement. Some new shooters believe that there is somehow a score advantage to tethering your rifle to a big tank. The advantage is that you don't have to refill your rifle and can shoot all day without worrying about that. I've heard many say that they wish they could tether but can't afford the expense of an external regulator. Well, guess what? You don't need an external regulator to tether a gun with an internal regulator. All you need is an external tank that has a higher pressure than your internal regulator....but not higher than the safe fill limit of your rifle. If you can fill your rifle to 250 bar....then you can tether a 250 bar external tank and shoot until the pressure in the big tank goes below the internal regulator pressure. Everything you need to do this is already owned by pretty much every pcp owner. Don't expect your scores to go up when you start tethering unless you were prone to shooting below your internal regulator pressure, before. Your enjoyment factor will increase, though.



How about remote triggers? Man, those things are so unfair. Let's look at the reality of this for a bit. First off, we should examine the top scores and see what kind of trigger system they used. In the pellet class, all of the top club scores and national champions used a mechanical trigger. Wait, how can this possibly be? Well, it's clearly because it doesn't actually provide an accuracy advantage over operating a mechanical trigger on the rifle. The guns that have the remote trigger (Thomas) are the same guns that have the mechanical triggers that have shot higher scores.... by the very same people. In reality the remote trigger guns are equally as accurate...but certainly not more accurate. The remote triggers are a convenient way of firing the gun from a comfortable position. That's the big advantage....however, that big advantage doesn't show up on the target.



Lastly, we have the very common "he's not even touching the gun" comment. This one is hard to figure out because anyone can decide to not touch their gun if they want to. Often the first comment is followed up with something about how if the shooters cheek, hands, and shoulder isn't on the gun than they aren't really shooting it. In BR....There are no extra points for someone that hangs on to their rifle. There are no points deducted from someone that doesn't. The game of precision BR was invented to showcase the most accurate rifles. The job of the shooter is to manage his equipment and read the wind to make the best holdoff.... which will make the most of the rifle...every shot. Air rifle BR is not about who can hold the rifle still and interact with it the most. The guys that have the most accurate rifles and the best wind reading skills win...always.



N50 could change the rules to disallow mechanical rests, remote triggers, tethering...and require the shooter to make cheek, shoulder, and hand contact with the gun. This could possibly attract a bunch of new shooters. The problem is that the exact same guys with the exact same rifles will still be at the top of the leaderboard...and eventually the new shooters will figure that out and leave anyway. Most people don't stay very long in precision BR because it's very difficult to be competitive with those that have put in the effort. That's the bottom line.



If you don't compete in precision BR because you don't have the fancy support equipment and believe that you cannot be competitive without it....you are not seeing the real picture. If you stay in the game long enough to become competitive...you will come to the realization that everything I've written above is spot on.



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This thread is only 12 days old with 144 responses and 3,000 views. Mike, you sure know how to generate some interest and fire up some emotions. 😃😃

Good post and some very practical information about dispelling some BR myths that I have also wondered about. I read your original post several times, as well as the entire thread, and I’m still learning new tips and techniques.

I have come full circle on my views about Benchrest shooting with both my .22 LRs and and some pretty decent BR airguns. I see room for both camps; those that want to hold their guns ( I am one of these ) and those that want to maximize their scoring opportunities using good equipment and technology. I.e., one and two piece rests, remote triggers, better air rifles, etc.

Candidly, I agree that having the most accurate rifle and especially developing solid wind reading skills is really “where it’s at.” You can have the best equipment in the world, but if you can’t read the wind, you will never be great at BR.

Ever since I moved from using my Accu-Tac high end bi-pod to using the Randolph front mechanical rest, I have gotten better. Using the wind flags for three or more years ( Thanks Joe F, Lou, Ray, et al.) and practicing two or three times per week learning many shooting techniques from this forum, have helped greatly.

I know there is some healthy controversy in the thread, but it’s all good. That’s part of learning.

Joe F - loved your joke about holding your gun, but keep getting crappy scores. Funny, but true as I saw myself in this scenario.

Tom
 
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Its a matter of replacing the cross slide bolt with a longer carburetor bolt, from the auto parts store. The adjustment knob can be mounted on either side if I remember correctly?

You will need to login to see all of the info in these threads:

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Another BALD EAGLE Rest Mod

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Thanks for this great info, igolfat8! (y)
 
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I would like add a couple of things to this conversation. I noticed a trend a few yrs ago when the 100yd. Pellet comp’s became popular and shooters were not using flags at all, no actual Benchrests (a bi-pod was the Real division between hunting and true Benchrest😳) or even rear bags but were calling themselves “BENCH” shooters and had no clue what true bench shooting was almost like they invented it!.
The sorting and weighing of pellets was the only way to Win!

Now you see more and more shooters shooting off true rests and bags and now flags. That’s good, as scores improve at a rapid pace shooter’s recognize the value of these products and techniques to be able to compete with the shooters that already employ them.

Now let’s talk a little about technique. Just putting flags out doesn’t mean you’re automatically a better shooter. You have to be able to interpret what they are telling you and most of this is done by practicing in different conditions and situations, time of day, temperature differentials, humidity, why did my points of impact change between bench 2 vs. bench 9 2hrs. later?

Benchrest has to be shot very analytically and almost no emotion! Learn to gather recognize and apply all this information. ( as you gain information and want to change a technique or equipment “Do one thing at a time” ).

I have to recognize myself that I still need to learn and incorporate this information. I am not a great or even good BR shooter and am not in the same league as many on this forum.

I could go on and on about pellet BR shooting and why I feel past about 75yds it becomes very unpredictable and so many things about guns and Scopes etc. etc.

I do love this discipline and it will always be passion!
 
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