N50 cards with "Annie"

[tommyb]

Went out this week with my Anschutz .22 LR. Forgot my tuner, but I haven't shot this rifle in a while. Never lets me down, but today I had to use some different ammo for my '3rd' N50 card and it ruined my 3-card average. I ran out of the RWS50 after the second card.

Shot a 250, 248 and a horrible "230." I scored it with the .035" scoring plug, because I did not use the Tuner. Also forgot to shoot bull #3 on the “230” target. Getting old, gracefully.

Hope I used the right scoring plug, because I was told this rifle is custom or Pro Class with the tuner. If I am incorrect, someone let me know.

To be fair the wind picked up a bit, but not enough to create that uncharacteristically low score for this rifle. The ammo also was not as reliable as the RWS50 or RWS100 match grade ammo, that this rifle likes. It's really interesting because the other Anschutz 64 MPR .22LR really does very well with the Lapua Long Range 40G ammo. The guys at the Anschutz North America Custom shop, told me when I first got the 1907 to strictly use the RWS 50 and now RWS 100 ammo for this barrel based on their testing and experience.

My set up:

Anschutz 1907
Sightron 45X fixed scope
Randolph front rest
Ammo: RWS50 and Lapua Long Range 40G
Protecktor rear bag

I also shot the RAW HM1000x with both JTS and JSB(FX) 25.39g pellets at 50 yards, for some group shooting. No pics attached, but both pellets were around .5 to .6 average group size, and I have posted an earlier thread on the JTS results.

 

[igolfat8]

Great shooting Tom. I hadn't ever shot any R50 but I finally choked up and splurged on a box of R50 ($20) a couple weeks ago and its pretty impressive ammo in my CZ's. I had shot quite a bit of Norma Tac, its lower end ($4) cousin and it performs very good too, far above its price point but like all low cost ammo there are considerably more surprises per box than the top tier ammo. I have also noticed that the RWS (Ruag) bullets perform noticeably better in the wind than their SK/Lapua counterparts. Have you noticed that too Tom?

 

[tommyb]

Hey Tim, thanks!

I have not tried Norma Tac and RWS Ruag ammo. Where do you buy them?

The Eley Tenex (red box) and Match (black box) both shoot great in the 64 MPR, but I have not tried either in the 1907.

Going to try them at 100Y in the next few weeks with the 50 yard N50 targets, “slugs in the rings” targets.

 

[igolfat8]

Ruag / Ammotec is the OEM company in Germany who manufacture Norma, RWS and Geco among other EU civilian and military brands. Look at the head stamp on your RWS 50 and it will have a R on it for “Ruag”, as does Norma too. Our local Rural King usually has Norma Tac in stock.

 

[tommyb]

Great shooting Tom. I hadn't ever shot any R50 but I finally choked up and splurged on a box of R50 ($20) a couple weeks ago and its pretty impressive ammo in my CZ's. I had shot quite a bit of Norma Tac, its lower end ($4) cousin and it performs very good too, far above its price point but like all low cost ammo there are considerably more surprises per box than the top tier ammo. I have also noticed that the RWS (Ruag) bullets perform noticeably better in the wind than their SK/Lapua counterparts. Have you noticed that too Tom?

Forgot to answer your question, in your last sentence.

Have not shot any SK, but my RWS50 & RWS100 do shoot pretty well in light wind at both 50 and 100 yards. Less forgiveness at 100y, but expected, and still pretty solid.

Too darn expensive, but since I shoot air rifles more regularly, a brick lasts me a tad longer. I’m used to spending between $15-20 per box for goodRF ammo, and can afford it only because I don’t shoot both Annie’s too often.

 

[elh0102]

Great shooting Tom. I hadn't ever shot any R50 but I finally choked up and splurged on a box of R50 ($20) a couple weeks ago and its pretty impressive ammo in my CZ's. I had shot quite a bit of Norma Tac, its lower end ($4) cousin and it performs very good too, far above its price point but like all low cost ammo there are considerably more surprises per box than the top tier ammo. I have also noticed that the RWS (Ruag) bullets perform noticeably better in the wind than their SK/Lapua counterparts. Have you noticed that too Tom?

This demonstrates how variable different ammo lot numbers perform, and with varying results in different rifles. I tried a brick of the Norma Match 22 ammo, their highest quality offering at the time, after reading of some favorable results. It was pure garbage in my Anschutz Match 54. Lapua's mid grade Center X shoots very well it that rifle, as does the higher end Eley. Had I tested different lots of the Norma, I might have found one that shot very well, but ammo testing consumes a lot of time and money.

 

[tommyb]

Went out again this past week, with the "other" Anschutz, the 64 MPR .22 LR. Shot Lapua Long Range (248) and Super Long Range (249) 40G. Then, I took out the FX Boss .30 caliber and fumbled with my Tripod trying to get it high enough to shoot the N50 cards. I shot three cards, but only included the highest here as the other two cards were in the mid to high 220 range - not good. There was a bit of wind, but the Boss was jumping a bit and I had a tough time with my technique. The FX Boss does regularly shoot 1/2" groups at 50 yards, so I know it was me not reading the wind correctly.

N50 Scoring - I read the rules and for bull #17 did I score it correctly.? I shot a '10' in a target that already had a .30 caliber hole. So, if more than one hole in one box, I took the lowest ring score at 6 minus 1 = 5. Is that right? Too bad because I thought I had a 243 without that fumble. Also, box # 24 I had a .22 LR round in from a previous sighter that went high and hit my N50 card. So, no penalty on that bull, I just did not see the .22 round with my scope.

The Boss can do better with these N50 cards, but I need to figure out the right shooting technique to keep her steadier.

 

[igolfat8]

Sorry Tom but 24 would be a penalty too if it were in competition unless you called a crossfire from another shooter. If a mistake was made by you then you can’t blame it on wind, fate or an oops. That’s the rules. Otherwise great shooting on all cards!!!

 

[tommyb]

Sorry Tom but 24 would be a penalty too if it were in competition unless you called a crossfire from another shooter. If a mistake was made by you then you can’t blame it on wind, fate or an oops. That’s the rules. Otherwise great shooting on all cards!!!

No crossfire, I was the only one shooting my N50 cards, but thanks for clarifying a crossfire situation. I think what happened with #24, was that I did not see that there was a .22 hole here when I stapled the card to the target before I shot that card. I probably used an N50 card that had a .22 round from a prior session. Not really sure but I understand that in a real match you cannot shoot a target that isn’t clean and has a round in one of the bulls.

Tim, My real scoring question now is #17. My understanding is if the first shot hits a box line, you can shoot a 2nd shot. If that is true, is that scored as a ten? Not sure if this is correct or not. Can you answer?

 

[igolfat8]

@tommyb , Yes, if any shot “plugs“ on the square box black line you are granted a second shot opportunity. It’s the shooters call because if it doesn’t plug touching the box line then it’s scored the lowest hole minus 1. It’s a touchy call because you are making the call through your scope and I have scored a number of competitor’s cards who thought their shot would touch the line when plugged but didn’t.

Target Box Line Hit​

The target may be reshot if the miss touches a target box line. A miss will be determined by the scorer using the Class size plug. At the Competitors discretion, and risk, the determination of the miss is made at the time of the shot. The resulting Scoring Team decision is non-negotiable.

 

[tommyb]

@tommyb , Yes, if any shot “plugs“ on the square box black line you are granted a second shot opportunity. It’s the shooters call because if it doesn’t plug touching the box line then it’s scored the lowest hole minus 1. It’s a touchy call because you are making the call through your scope and I have scored a number of competitor’s cards who thought their shot would touch the line when plugged but didn’t.

Target Box Line Hit​

The target may be reshot if the miss touches a target box line. A miss will be determined by the scorer using the Class size plug. At the Competitors discretion, and risk, the determination of the miss is made at the time of the shot. The resulting Scoring Team decision is non-negotiable.

Good, I thought so after I reread the rules. I can see how you can make a mistake looking thru your scope at 50 yards. Thanks for clarifying.

So box #17 would be scored as a ten, and box #24 would be a zero.

 

[igolfat8]

Yes sir that’s correct on both accounts.

Using card 1 target 24 as an example, let’s say that you thought that the flier would plug on the box line but when the person scored the target plugged that shot did not touch the line then they would score it as multiple shots within the box so it would be scored using the hole with the lowest score (5) minus 1 point or a final score of 4 would be assed for #24. Hope that makes sense?

“If there are multiple shots in any box, the score for that box is the lowest minus 1. ”

 

[Loufish]

Yup Tom, Tim got it right.
Zzzzz

 

[tommyb]

Yes sir that’s correct on both accounts.

Using card 1 target 24 as an example, let’s say that you thought that the flier would plug on the box line but when the person scored the target plugged that shot did not touch the line then they would score it as multiple shots within the box so it would be scored using the hole with the lowest score (5) minus 1 point or a final score of 4 would be assed for #24. Hope that makes sense?

“If there are multiple shots in any box, the score for that box is the lowest minus 1. ”

It does make sense. So, box #24 gets scored as a “4” and not ZERO.

One of the other bigger lessons for me in all of this, is to make certain before I staple a card to my target backing, that it’s clean with no holes.

Using a golf analogy, for N50 scoring, you get to shoot a “mulligan” or 2nd shot if you miss the rings and plug to a box line.

If you think about this logically, the N50 scoring is generous here. One could make a case for scoring a ZERO if your first shot misses all the rings. I.e., shooter misses all rings, he/ she gets a ZERO.

Thanks guys!

 

[igolfat8]

It does make sense. So, box #24 gets scored as a “4” and not ZERO.

One of the other bigger lessons for me in all of this, is to make certain before I staple a card to my target backing, that it’s clean with no holes.

Using a golf analogy, for N50 scoring, you get to shoot a “mulligan” or 2nd shot if you miss the rings and plug to a box line.

If you think about this logically, the N50 scoring is generous here. One could make a case for scoring a ZERO if your first shot misses all the rings. I.e., shooter misses all rings, he/ she gets a ZERO.

Thanks guys!

Box 24 scores a 4 ONLY if the "sighter" hole will plug to the box line. It looks very close in the picture. The .350" diameter scoring plugs are very forgiving and it looks like it would plug but that is only a guesstimate.

Yes, the mulligan analogy works for me.

If you miss a SINGLE shot outside of all the rings but don't plug to the outer 6 ring or plug to the box line then you would score a 5 not a zero.

You should attend a N50 match and volunteer to help score. You would get the hang of scoring pretty quickly. We also run ARA club matches and our match director uses the ARA computer software and a scanner to score all of the ARA targets. I am pretty sure two N50 scorers can score as fast or faster than the scanner.

 

[tommyb]

Box 24 scores a 4 ONLY if the "sighter" hole will plug to the box line. It looks very close in the picture. The .350" diameter scoring plugs are very forgiving and it looks like it would plug but that is only a guesstimate.

Yes, the mulligan analogy works for me.

If you miss a SINGLE shot outside of all the rings but don't plug to the outer 6 ring or plug to the box line then you would score a 5 not a zero.

You should attend a N50 match and volunteer to help score. You would get the hang of scoring pretty quickly. We also run ARA club matches and our match director uses the ARA computer software and a scanner to score all of the ARA targets. I am pretty sure two N50 scorers can score as fast or faster than the scanner.

 

[igolfat8]

Yay, you get a mulligan!

 

[tommyb]

Tim

I would definitely volunteer to help score N50 cards and also shoot in your matches, if I lived in Ohio nearby your Meeker range. Can’t travel either, too far and don’t want to push it with my wife who is good about me shooting a couple/few times per week at my local outdoor range.

I have not seen any local N50 matches in NC, so that is why I practice and shoot my N50 cards alone.

 

[SierraEd]

Went out this week with my Anschutz .22 LR. Forgot my tuner, but I haven't shot this rifle in a while. Never lets me down, but today I had to use some different ammo for my '3rd' N50 card and it ruined my 3-card average. I ran out of the RWS50 after the second card.

Shot a 250, 248 and a horrible "230." I scored it with the .035" scoring plug, because I did not use the Tuner. Also forgot to shoot bull #3 on the “230” target. Getting old, gracefully.

Hope I used the right scoring plug, because I was told this rifle is custom or Pro Class with the tuner. If I am incorrect, someone let me know.

To be fair the wind picked up a bit, but not enough to create that uncharacteristically low score for this rifle. The ammo also was not as reliable as the RWS50 or RWS100 match grade ammo, that this rifle likes. It's really interesting because the other Anschutz 64 MPR .22LR really does very well with the Lapua Long Range 40G ammo. The guys at the Anschutz North America Custom shop, told me when I first got the 1907 to strictly use the RWS 50 and now RWS 100 ammo for this barrel based on their testing and experience.

My set up:

Anschutz 1907
Sightron 45X fixed scope
Randolph front rest
Ammo: RWS50 and Lapua Long Range 40G
Protecktor rear bag

I also shot the RAW HM1000x with both JTS and JSB(FX) 25.39g pellets at 50 yards, for some group shooting. No pics attached, but both pellets were around .5 to .6 average group size, and I have posted an earlier thread on the JTS results.

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Enjoyed your post Tom. If your action is in a Kelby stock I think we may have the same set up. Mine seems to like a particular, lot of R50 pretty well, but I will say that I tried some RWS target rifle, yellow box ammunition, and it didn’t work well at all. I don’t know if you shoot N50 on a regular basis, but I started doing that about a year ago, and I’m just having a ball with it! I shoot it off, a Randolph front rest, and a protektor bag, although I’m thinking of getting a one piece rest. Ed

 

[tommyb]

Enjoyed your post Tom. If your action is in a Kelby stock I think we may have the same set up. Mine seems to like a particular, lot of R50 pretty well, but I will say that I tried some RWS target rifle, yellow box ammunition, and it didn’t work well at all. I don’t know if you shoot N50 on a regular basis, but I started doing that about a year ago, and I’m just having a ball with it! I shoot it off, a Randolph front rest, and a protektor bag, although I’m thinking of getting a one piece rest. Ed

Hi Ed

Yes, I do have a Kelby stock and shoot N50 ‘practice’ cards regularly with both Anschutz rifles and other air rifles. I don’t shoot in any local N50 matches, but might someday if I can find some local interest. Most of my fellow .22 RF owners shoot steel at Durham matches, but not N50. It’s ok, because I enjoy seeing the various match results around the country via AGN posts.

I bought the Randolph front mechanical rest used, and the thing is heavy. The stock has a nice flat for-end which is perfect for this rest.

Keep in touch and let me know what you choose for a one piece rest. Also, you can get both RWS 50 and RWS 100 ammo from Anschutz North America; and if you agree to do some lot testing, they used to discount the expensive ammo. The 1907 also shoots the Eley Tenex pretty well.