Need Advice On Taking Down Coyotes

[jwrabbit123]

so here is ammo i use and never did i lose one , the one i lost with a 47 gr hollow point , and again they work great on other stuff just not adult yotes , I only use solid ammo pictured ,

 

[N2 Shooter]

I do not recommend FX Hybrid Slugs on coyote. You need a heavier round or a round that doesn't expand as rapidly as the Hybrid Slugs so you can get adequate penetration to the vitals. Try .357cal NSA slugs in 79gr.

 

[Coinwa]

The issue you’re having anchoring coyotes, can be solved by simply adding “Whelen” after the “.35”…..

 

[dizzums]

Yes, the western rattler in .357 would be the only thing to tempt me away from my FX . The larger ammo in the magazine is awesome as is the semi auto. I have not heard what speeds they are getting with those slugs though? I am planning on sending my Impact m3 back to the Pellet shop to get the latest tungsten hammer and lighter valve spring installed and they are planning on tuning it for me for 930 FPS on 93 grain neilsens. I am thinking slug composition is playing a part in some of this. The Hybrids dump so much energy right away as they are almost all cavity. That may be why I am downing some and others run off. I do appreciate Ezane's comments, they do make me feel better that I didn't leave a wounded animal out there. I feel like most people downing coyotes on these forums are using NSAs as from my experience with their slugs their hollow points will flower out, where the FX hybrids almost explode on impact. Great on small game, but it may be hitting it's limits on what it can do with larger game? This is my takeaway from doing some research here. Let me know if anyone else sees things different or has comments .

id say mainly, remember its an airgun .. we like to fantasize about ooo 250y shots blah blah, but the truth is, its all strategy imo .. you want to get them in close and blow them in half .. thats the idea .. it shouldnt matter 'at all' what projectile your putting in it and you shouldnt need more than one haha, get set up to bring them in to 25-30 and pop them between the eyes .. not going anywhere lol

 

[jwrabbit123]

if u need my ammo messege or call me they proven ,
hey lol whelan well powder burners different subject but pcp great on yotes just not head shots u mite put 1 down in its tracks but most do not , heart shots

 

[jwrabbit123]

here is perfect shot placement first one 22 cal dead on its feet

here is 30 cal didnt move just fell dead both hit hearts dead center Looks like your shot was not in vitals

 

[gendoc]

The issue you’re having anchoring coyotes, can be solved by simply adding “Whelen” after the “.35”…..

thats been my go-to PB hunting rifle for over 50years !!!

 

[Cranky1]

Yes, the western rattler in .357 would be the only thing to tempt me away from my FX . The larger ammo in the magazine is awesome as is the semi auto. I have not heard what speeds they are getting with those slugs though? I am planning on sending my Impact m3 back to the Pellet shop to get the latest tungsten hammer and lighter valve spring installed and they are planning on tuning it for me for 930 FPS on 93 grain neilsens. I am thinking slug composition is playing a part in some of this. The Hybrids dump so much energy right away as they are almost all cavity. That may be why I am downing some and others run off. I do appreciate Ezane's comments, they do make me feel better that I didn't leave a wounded animal out there. I feel like most people downing coyotes on these forums are using NSAs as from my experience with their slugs their hollow points will flower out, where the FX hybrids almost explode on impact. Great on small game, but it may be hitting it's limits on what it can do with larger game? This is my takeaway from doing some research here. Let me know if anyone else sees things different or has comments .

Mine shot the nsa 93 grn at 915. I also ran some 93grn lucky 7 meat punch this is expansion from a meat punch shot into a water jug at 50yards(if I’m remembering correctly on yardage)

 

[Brent]

I love your avatar . I also have a bull dog. An olde english here. I will say she is part of the problem . It is HER backyard. So if she sees ANYTHING that she deems shouldn't be in HER backyard she chases at it. So my wife keeps on me about the constant coyotes, as they are a threat to her even though she starts things up. It's just in her nature. I also don't "love" shooting coyotes. Just about any other animal is no problem. However the anatomy is that of my dog. So I don't love the idea of cutting one open either. Now accuracy wise I don't want to tute my own horn, but reviewing all my footage I am hitting what I am aiming for. Just not sure if brain shots or vital shots are better. Is there a way to insta kill them every time? I have NSA ammo, and am thinking that may be what it takes as they won't open or flower as quickly as the FX Hybrids. In general though, if you could hit a coyote anywhere where is the best place? Again with 170ish FPE would headshots be the way to go?

The biggest problem with head shots is getting him to stop moving his head. But if you get the chance put one just under and back a bit between the eye and ear. I wouldn't aim between the eyes because of the shape of his skull . Too much chance of it grazing the skull and not penitrating.

 

[Jman4183]

So just to show that I am not a complete bafoon, I have taken coyotes down with vital shots. This is using FX Hybrids 70 grain. From what I am hearing using solids is the way to go. These coyotes are at about 25 yards so pellets can be used pretty well. I do have 82 grain solid domed FX Pellets. I can try those? I have also tried the right between the eyes aproach with JSB Hades 78 grain I belive it is? This did not work as I belive it's the shape of the coyote looking at you it sort of ricochets upward. So not all solids seem to do the job. Shot placement does matter. So using a solid round, to pass through vitals is best way to get them to shut down right away? Again I feel like most of these I am shooting die, but it may be too much to ask to get them all to drop right away? Is this right? ....

Also on the video, I took the extra two shots less because it was necessary and more I just wanted it to meet a quick end.

 

[Jman4183]

This is my very first attempt on a coyote...using JSB Hades 77 grain or so .35 cal. These pellets do seem to lose energy very quickly even at 25 yards you can see them start to droop. So they have not been my prefered round. I would have to use the range finder on the scope if I was even three yards off to hit my mark. I am working on getting the heavier tungsten hammer weight to opperate the gun at higher reg pressures to shoot heavier slugs. I really like the 93 grains. I could order NSA 77 grainers I believe they are? Someone mentioned this in one of the previous posts. I like that idea until I can get my tungsten hammer in. Will have to order some.

 

[Ezana4CE]

@Jman4183 You don’t sound like a buffoon, but expecting every coyote you shoot with an airgun to shut down almost instantly is highly improbable. I can’t say if passthrough are better, it just what I see a lot more of when I hunt whether I’m using pellets or slugs. The NSA slugs are not particularly designed for expansion like the FX hybrids are with their deeper cavities. I’m curious about Airgun slug expansion, but I haven’t found it to be necessary. Proper projectile placement trumps expansion for me.

 

[Emu]

Head includes nose and ears.

A good head shot is a centered brain shot.

 

[Jman4183]

I think theres a good balance when going for tougher prey like coyotes, or even larger animals like deer. Terminal balistics is an intersting topic for me. I have had amazing success with these FX hybrids on any animal up to a coyote. So yes I am guessing the massive expansion on the Hybrids just isn't the right ammo for such a tough animal. I do like that most NSA slugs will open up a little bit, while still penetrating. Even if it expands a smidge it makes the hole that much larger than if you were using a solid. I think it's all judging the composition of the slug or round for the animal you are going for. I would say you are most likely right once you get up to deer I would most likely use a solid as well for penetration. This thread has been very informative I must say. Going to try some trust old domed pellets, then order some 70ish grain NSAs, then go on to the bigger boys once I have the tungsten hammer with 93 grain and 125 grain. I do have ammo for both of those. Just don't have them going at 930FPS. Yet

 

[Jman4183]

Head includes nose and ears.

A good head shot is a centered brain shot.

I think that second video just finished processing. I brain shotted that one with a 77 grain JSB Hades. You can see he took the round. I was shooting at around 880FPS. So seems like head on shots don't seem to work, or the Hades isn't the right round for the job either?

 

[Emu]

I think that second video just finished processing. I brain shotted that one with a 77 grain JSB Hades. You can see he took the round. I was shooting at around 880FPS. So seems like head on shots don't seem to work, or the Hades isn't the right round for the job either?

I have taken coyotes with chest shots with JSB Hades 44.7 grain.

I have taken coyotes with JSB's 44.7 head shots.

I have taken coyote with .357.

I have taken coyote with .25 H&N Baracudas with head shots.

My first javalina with air rifle was with a .22 Evanix Ar6 and H&N Baracuda with a head shot.

Some hunting videos.

New platform allows to upload the videos. I will share my hunting videos. Do not expect perfection !!!

www.airgunnation.com

 

[Jman4183]

I have taken coyotes with chest shots with JSB Hades 44.7 grain.

I have taken coyotes with JSB's 44.7 head shots.

I have taken coyote with .357.

I have taken coyote with .25 H&N Baracudas with head shots.

My first javalina with air rifle was with a .22 Evanix Ar6 and H&N Baracuda with a head shot.

Some hunting videos.

New platform allows to upload the videos. I will share my hunting videos. Do not expect perfection !!!

www.airgunnation.com

Did any of them fall and die right there on the spot? That is sort of my goal....though am realizing through the advice of plenty of people on this thread that death is a process and that may not be a reasonable goal...These are problem coyotes so I don't mind if they go off into the woods and pass. I just don't want to be going around wounding animals you know?

 

[oneshot61]

hi OK i looked quick and saw shot placement first off , you only need about 68fpe to down a coyote and I am talking 50 plus pound animal , I have taken hundredes of them at my house farms and hunts , I have taken them out beyond 1000 yards with real guns however we discussing air guns , I would never ever shoot a coyote with a head shot first off most if you hit skul and deflect , hollow points and pellets worst ammo , I only had 1 run off with a 100fpe 30 cal 47 grain hollow point head shot this was my last head shot with a pcp gun , I wont ever shoot to wound and 1 shot 1 kill , they do not deserve to suffer ,

If I use 22 cal like edgun r5m or taipan 22 i use 36 grain mp slugs only I taken them cleanly out to 90 yards , 25 cal I still like my 48 grain , you can hit to 100 yds , 257 is hrder hitting and the 73 grain isgreat yote ammo ,condor out to 200 plus yard . and 30 is great i use 48 gr min to 62 gr again I use cast solid slugs they soft bhn and expand well ,

for head shots I only would use in pcp my 257 230fpe , as it wont deflect as for powder burners i love 22 250 , 6,5 creedmoore ,and if you want overkill 300wm and 338 do serious damage beyond 800 yds

I only do a well placed heart shot with airguns I have pics and videos and aftermath of what a 22 to 30 cal slug does to the heart they dead on their feet usually 22 it runs a few yards but dead on its feet with 30 cal they never go 1 step I took over 30 in past few yrs let me know if u need ammo i use or anything I saw my name mentioned thanks LOU

I’ve used that 52 grain eppug style in 30 and the 48 grain huben in .25… both are very good penetrating bullets . Also have used the 48 grain hp Bbt in my .25. They work well on coyotes and hogs. Note the .30 is 115 ft lbs and the .25 is 95 ft lbs.

 

[Emu]

Did any of them fall and die right there on the spot? That is sort of my goal....though am realizing through the advice of plenty of people on this thread that death is a process and that may not be a reasonable goal...These are problem coyotes so I don't mind if they go off into the woods and pass. I just don't want to be going around wounding animals you know?

No one likes to wound any animal.

Many birds go wounded when shooted with shotguns.

Many deer a year are wonded with bow and arrow and fire arms.

When hunting with air rifles every shot should be responsible trying to be deadly accurate.

Brain shots produce dead 100% of times, normally with some reflex movements.

I always try to give following shots to reduce suffering.

 

[JimD]

I have not shot a coyote and don't really have a gun I think is fully adequate. The most powerful is a 50 fpe 25 caliber. But I like to test the penetration of my projectiles in wet paper. These days newspaper is not easily available so I use magazines. I soak them for a hour or perferably overnight with string tied loosely around the stack so I can handle them when they are wet. They will swell. Then I shoot a variety of projectiles into the stack and then I disassemble the stack to see how far each penetrated. I keep notes on what is in what part of the stack. It becomes obvious that any expansion really reduces penetration. In my lower powered guns (~20 fpe) I do not want expansion because I know from testing on dead squirrels that I only have enough penetration to reliably get to the vitals from any angle. On the 30-50 fpe guns if squirrels are the target I have enough extra expansion that expansion would be OK but I've had good luck with pass throughs dropping them very quickly. 32 fpe or more in 22 and 25 almost always pass through and the only squirrels that ran at all were hit in the center of the chest with the pellet found under the skin in the rear. They didn't go far. Presumably I only got one lung. Side to side body shots dropped them as quickly as brain shots.

I would test your candidate projectiles preferably at the distance you expect to shoot a coyote. I'd pick the one that penetrates the most. I think if you do that and take side to side shots of the chest you will drop them quickly if not on the spot. If you always get pass throughs you might drop back to something with a little expansion. But I suspect a 357 caliber hole will be big enough to drop them quickly.