Need help.... Is my anger to .177 Cal derived from my .177 rifle or not?

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Emu

Emu

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I would like to know if I should invest more money in a .177 rifle.

My Bantam is accurate at 50 yards but is dissapointing from there to infinit.

Is the limitation due to this particular rifle or the limitation is the one to be expected from this caliber.

If it is the rifle, I could start the process to analize which rifle to buy.

If it is the caliber I should just admit it.

I would appreciate advice from the 177 users.

Thanks.
 
.177 is very wind sensative.

Also, a lot of tunes that are borderline awesome, just do not perform past 50 yards.

Some projectiles also do not perform past 50 yards.

I'd wager if you tried some different ammo, and adjusted your tune, you might be surprised. 

I shoot JSB Monster RD pellets from my .177 @900 fps with extremely good acuracy at 75 yards. Have not had the need or space to shoot further. 

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Don't know what pellets you're trying to push past 50. 
I would want to try 10.3-10.5-13.43's.

It's very possible to go well past 50 but only if you are shooting in no winds, holding off for wind and drop, clicking.

Flintsacks results are verified and real but he's using some of the absolute best equipment made. 

I'm not suggesting that anyone give up on .177; but I am gonna say it sure gets easier with heavier pellets, slugs, and bigger calibers when shooting sub sonic airguns.
 
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One of my most memorable airgunning moments was when I killed 8 or 10 prairie dogs in about as many shots at a distance of 95-115 yards. It was my first time stumbling upon that little colony on a pond dam near some irrigated fields. From the way it went down, nobody else had ever been there to shoot at them, very naive to the the danger they were in as they started dropping dead. 

The gun was my USFT in .177 with JSB 10.34grainers, going about 915fps. No wind and just perfect conditions, also a line of trees is on one side of the dam and creates a corridor through which to shoot, nearly wind protected. 

I've also had fun with the same gun shooting bell targets out past 100 yards at some of our camping/field target weekends. With witnesses in this case. I believe those targets were in the two inch realm. 

I've also had much good results shooting Euros from a tall cottonwood near my extended families feedlots. 60-85 yards = many dead Euros. 

I shot a couple of Centercuts EBR practice targets with this same gun from field target position, at 20fpe and 100 yards and results were in the 200-220 range. Also with witnesses at a field target/camping weekend during downtime.

So, .177 has the ability to put them where you want, even at long range. The suggestion above to try good BC pellets (relative to lightweight .177s) is a good one. If you've already tired some 10.34s, 13.43s, etc, and still not getting good results it may just be a combination of barrel/fps/pellet/choke/etc that doesn't equate to pellet stability past 50 yards. 
 
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I'm a huge proponent of .177 and I generally stick to 75 yards or less. 75+ yards and I feel like you need to go to .177 slugs or just choose .22/.25

I was pretty set on setting up a Taipan Veteran Long as a .177 slug shooter, but the risk of not getting it to shoot how I want and then having a big heavy .177 pellet shooter is too high. I think I'm going to go .22 and hopefully it'll like a slug and if not, I'll shoot the heaviest JSB it's accurate with. 
 
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I'm a huge proponent of .177 and I generally stick to 75 yards or less. 75+ yards and I feel like you need to go to .177 slugs or just choose .22/.25

I was pretty set on setting up a Taipan Veteran Long as a .177 slug shooter, but the risk of not getting it to shoot how I want and then having a big heavy .177 pellet shooter is too high. I think I'm going to go .22 and hopefully it'll like a slug and if not, I'll shoot the heaviest JSB it's accurate with.
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If you have to deal with 5+ MPH wind all the time with 10+mph guests then forget 177 even though I’m a big 177 fan. Only time I see .177 as fun pass 100 yards is when there is no wind. 


22 cal certainly works better but not really great in the wind till 30+ grains so might as well just go to .25 slugs. 
 
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.177 is a fun and frustrating caliber. It really doesn't lend itself to mere mortals making incredible 100+ yard shots on a daily basis, in my opinion. A lot has to come together and I admire those who can make that look easy. I am not one of them. The meat behind the trigger has to be up to the task as well. Not only being able to pull the trigger, but also to have developed a tune capable of repeatable results, being able to dope the wind and knowing when to take the shot. A lot of brains, good judgement and experience (not to mention cash) goes into it.

At this time, I only have .177 guns. They're perfect for my environment. I do most of my shooting inside of 50 yards and .177 does everything I need it to do. The lower mass of the projectiles (a major factor in why .177 is very difficult to shoot well at long distance) means they're not going travel a couple miles before coming to a stop. Just safer in my rural neighborhood. My max range is shy of 75 yards. In dead calm, I can print 1" groups with my most consistent gun IF I didn't drink any coffee that morning. That's with heavier, JSB Monsters and JSB Beasts (the Heavies seem to lose their steam going that far). I'm pretty happy with that, and I hope I do better with practice. When I can regularly shoot beyond 75 yards, I am sure I will try with .177. But I will also be investing in larger caliber equipment.
 
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I only shoot the nsa 12.5&15gr slugs with a pulsar hp with great results but I’m limited to 125yrds. Yes do have to adjust for 15+mph wind, then I limit my shooting to 75yrds. In the summer here the wind is only a issue when storms are coming. Yesterday the weather conditions were calm and I had amazing groups but with no wind every gun I shoot does outstanding. Sometimes I do prefer some windy conditions so know the guns limitations from the different directions , from my experience is when the wind is blowing straight to me seems like that has the biggest effect on the groups.
 
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I would like to know if I should invest more money in a .177 rifle.

My Bantam is accurate at 50 yards but is dissapointing from there to infinit.

Is the limitation due to this particular rifle or the limitation is the one to be expected from this caliber.

If it is the rifle, I could start the process to analize which rifle to buy.

If it is the caliber I should just admit it.

I would appreciate advice from the 177 users.

Thanks.
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What are your expectations and what is "disappointing"?
 
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Flintstack regularly shoots 190 yards and gets very good results, it was said that he has the best equipment to use. In all fairness though I don't think I could replicate his results with his gun because of my current skill level. Distance shooting has many variables that greatly affect out come. Many of these variables are input from the shooter. So don't be any harder on your opinion of the gun than you are of your own abilities. Distance magnifies errors weather its from the gun or the shooter or even a combination of both. That's what makes shooting a great personal challenge. Not only are we trying to improve the quality and performance of our tools but also ourselves.
 
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With my .22, .25 and .30 Cal rifles, if I miss the aiming point at 100 yards I KNOW that the one who missed was me. 

With the .177 above 50 yards even small wind can make me be unacceptable far away from the aiming point.

That´s frustraiting.

Therés a huge difference among knowing that the rifle should hit what you aim at if you make your part and to have the hope of being close to the aiming point.

Not all the rifles (.22, .25, .30) that are accurate at 100 yards are reliable at 190. I know that. I have seen it. 

But the 100 yards should be an alredy conquested territory.




 
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Emu,

Don't be so easily disheartened(especially by other's "results" on the internet). My unregulated .177 Bantam 400 will shoot regular moa 5 shot groups out to 75 yards in fairly calm wind with 13g JSB Monsters. Random flyers from time to time and susceptibility to wind gusts are it's only issues. Past 75 yards, I can see the pellets start to corkscrew and the groups open up. 

15 and 17g slugs(even at slower speeds) will shoot accurately out to 100 yards and not be affected much by the wind. Keep experimenting with different ammo and speeds.

Good luck,

Phil


 
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Shooting consistent MOA or just over MOA at 100 yards or beyond? Good/great equipment: rifle, scope, projectiles and conditions, plus mad skills as a shooter. This applies to all calibers because the guns don't shoot themselves, yet! I see what the wind consistently does to my 18 gr JSBs from 40 to 102 yards, with a .177? It's a big ask, especially of the shooter.
 
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