Need springer input

[rangur1]

Firstly, I shoot PCP's. Had a Benjamin magnum springer 5 years ago. couldn't control it to my satisfaction and went down the PCP hole. Who here cares? I know, however one of my associates does have a springer gun giving him issues. It's a bear River TPS 1200 I'm guessing from it's stock design, definitely not a 1300. I was told there were accuracy issues that recently came to light. After asking a few questions , found that neglect was most likely issue. I took the gun home and immediately cleaned the totally fouled barrel. tried to shoot using the package 4x32 scope which is too low mag for my blind ass. I changed scopes with my zero tech and managed some groups in spite of the 3 plus pound trigger. I think the gun is a bit rough, was looking to suggest another, but he is stingy with the coin.

now I naturally began researching these style guns and gravitated towards the TX200 models as well as the weihrach HW95 field pro. Also know beeman R9 is no joke either. Unfortunately, I feel they may be too rich for his comfort. Are their good guns in the $250 range so with a decent scope, be sitting at $350-$375?
Preferably with a 2 pound trigger pull.

 

[josh3rd]

R7, HW30, 50. Krale is where I would look at

 

[SteveP-52]

First, you can write off decent scope included. The scopes that are included are usually junk only are to make you think you got a good deal. Figure in the cost of a good springer rated scope.
Would help knowing what kind of shooting and distances he wants to do with one to help get some good recommendations.

 

[BackStop]

Firstly, I shoot PCP's. Had a Benjamin magnum springer 5 years ago. couldn't control it to my satisfaction and went down the PCP hole. Who here cares? I know, however one of my associates does have a springer gun giving him issues. It's a bear River TPS 1200 I'm guessing from it's stock design, definitely not a 1300. I was told there were accuracy issues that recently came to light. After asking a few questions , found that neglect was most likely issue. I took the gun home and immediately cleaned the totally fouled barrel. tried to shoot using the package 4x32 scope which is too low mag for my blind ass. I changed scopes with my zero tech and managed some groups in spite of the 3 plus pound trigger. I think the gun is a bit rough, was looking to suggest another, but he is stingy with the coin.

now I naturally began researching these style guns and gravitated towards the TX200 models as well as the weihrach HW95 field pro. Also know beeman R9 is no joke either. Unfortunately, I feel they may be too rich for his comfort. Are their good guns in the $250 range so with a decent scope, be sitting at $350-$375?
Preferably with a 2 pound trigger pull.

I have no recommendations for you, but do you find a "3 plus pound trigger" to be a problem? Although I know a lot of folks like a lighter trigger, under 4 pounds isn't really that bad.

Of course, I have found that I can get used to just about any trigger with enough practice. (smile)

 

[rangur1]

Backstop- While I can depress a 3 pound trigger, my tendency to pull shots goes up. was just looking for the lighter ones like weihrauch's pound and a half. not sure it's attainable in the more budget guns.

 

[rangur1]

First, you can write off decent scope included. The scopes that are included are usually junk only are to make you think you got a good deal. Figure in the cost of a good springer rated scope.
Would help knowing what kind of shooting and distances he wants to do with one to help get some good recommendations.

Worded poorly, idea was $250-$275 gun paired with a $100 decent scope for $350-$375. Distances are pretty much 15-25 yards for squirrel as the biggest target.

 

[Hateful McNasty]

This one been tempting.. it has been as low as $199 i think but 249. Hmmmm...

.22 plenty of power if killing is required. Wood, sights , and a 2o% off any scope deal... Cat triggers are stiff bit use the screw mod .

Thing is you say a good gun... Thats found out after the fact once you have it and bern shooting it awile.. any brand.

Hunter Extreme Pro .22 High Power Air Rifle - GAMO

The GAMO Hunter Extreme Pro features a 3-9x40 and a 33mm cylinder power plant that delivers up to 1,300 fps in .22 caliber. High power air rifle.

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[Miami Airgunner]

You can get some very nice equipment cheap these days, so there's a good chance whatever you buy will be at least good, if not excellent.

With that being said, if you can, encourage him to toast his budget and grab the Diana 54 "airking"... It's a springer, but shoots like a PCP - absolutely outstanding gun.

Toss a 'cheap' bugbuster scope on top and it'll be great

If he just can't blow the budget, the Hatsan Mod 25 Supertact pistol/carbine is a ton of fun, accurate, and perfectly fine for squirrels at 25 yards.

IMO, they're more fun than most rifles will be and built pretty well. Or, at least, the two I've had experience directly with were both outstanding for the $.

The sight is the challenge for you. For the cheap stuff I've tried, the Monstrum prism scope is pretty solid it seems. Bit heavy, but compact (ish) and accurate.. I run Burris Fastfire 3 RD's on my Mod 25, and it's a great combo, but the gun and sight are in the $400 range

 

[MartyMcFly]

For the price range look at a used Diana 34 or an alternative is to consider the Hatsans like the 95. The only issue with the Hatsan rifles is that if you get a good one you will be very happy but there are many lemons out there that sour the party.

Midway USA is a good source for Hatsans if you need to return a lemon.

-Marty

 

[Hateful McNasty]

This dont look too bad a deal.. if new. Rws and diana i guess split the sheets awile back but ??? 255$
(A a.o.a link )

RWS Model 34 Air Rifle

 

[Pneumaddict]

Call Mike Melick at Flying Dragon Air rifles. He'll set you up right with enough gelt left to put a nice scope on it.

 

[Deerstalker]

In my case I have North of $700 in my HW95L after changing the scope and installing an ARH kit. I can usually get decent groups and my wife also enjoys plinking. I don't believe that you would be happy with a $350 range air rifle but that is just me. At 83+ I need better than 10x to see 1" targets at 30 yards and the Hawke 4-16 x 44 mm scope seems to work really well so far. Good luck.

 

[Mycapt65]

Worded poorly, idea was $250-$275 gun paired with a $100 decent scope for $350-$375. Distances are pretty much 15-25 yards for squirrel as the biggest target.

At 25 yards and less either a Hw30 or Hw50 will fix your squirrel problems fine. I'd definitely go 177 with the Hw30. The Hw50 you could go 177 or 22 at that close a range. I prefer the the 50 in 177 because holdover is easier to judge if you go past 25 yards. The Hw50 can kill a grey squirrel out to about 50 yards in either caliber.

If you shop DVOR you can usually find a Hawke 2-7x32 Vantage AO for around a hundred dollars. It's an excellent scope for those guns. Especially at those ranges. Get one with a mildot reticle if you going to shoot past 25 yards. Especially if you opt for a 22.

I think the Hw50 is fantastic squirrel gun that's decent for plinking and targets.
I think the Hw30s are a lot more fun to shoot in the yard but only good for squirrels at the shorter ranges you specified.
Both are fine for your purposes but I guess pick according to your priorities.

Fwiw, I have three 177 Hw30s and one 177 Hw50. I sold my 22 Hw50 to guy here that manages to smoke more squirrels with it than I do with all my guns. Lol.

I have taken quite a few squirrels to my back fence (20 yards) with my Hw30s. When I take to the woods I grab my 177 Hw50 in case I need to make longer shots. I try to keep them inside 40 yards because of my skill limitations.

The Hw50 is on the left and Hw30 on the right.

Ps order from Krale right now the dollar is strong and prices will fall into your budget.

 

[Jlowe]

Worded poorly, idea was $250-$275 gun paired with a $100 decent scope for $350-$375. Distances are pretty much 15-25 yards for squirrel as the biggest target.

About a month ago Utah Airguns had RWS 34's in for $179 shipped. Found a slightly used Hawke Vantage 4-12x50 scope and Sportsmatch mounts. I put a Vortek tune kit in it as well as a muzzle brake. All for $500, but minus the tune kit and muzzle brake it would have been $350.

 

[Mycapt65]

About a month ago Utah Airguns had RWS 34's in for $179 shipped. Found a slightly used Hawke Vantage 4-12x50 scope and Sportsmatch mounts. I put a Vortek tune kit in it as well as a muzzle brake. All for $500, but minus the tune kit and muzzle brake it would have been $350.

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Real nice rig for that price. Well done you!

 

[MartyMcFly]

ranger1, you’ve received what I think are really good recommendations for your friend. Given the budget constraints I would suggest posting in the classifieds here, GTA, or even airguns.net and getting a used rifle. Most of these rifles are built tuff and getting them used will allow the buyer to get good optics and tune kit to make a truly exceptional package.

I like all of these within the budget range and listed in order of power level (approx). With the last 3 going .22 is probably ideal since they will have less harsh firing cycles and tend to be quieter than the .177 versions.

HW30/R7
HW50
Hatsan 95
Diana/RWS 34
Walther Parrus

-Marty

 

[Bear-of-Grayling]

If you like to tinker then the Hatsan 95 is a good canvas to start with. I haven’t had one yet that couldn’t be tuned to shoot very accurately. The triggers are very good and can easily be adjusted to a pound or less. (With longer screws) Takes someone who has or at least wants to have a working knowledge of a springer. Maybe you will get a good shooter right out the box. This is a 95 spring version in 177 caliber that I made into a carbine. It shoots very accurately at over 1000fps. The second one is a 22 caliber Vortex QE. Walnut stock and scope for under $200. The scope will work for a while but eventually you will want an upgrade.

 

[rangur1]

I knew I could rely on you folks at AGN. You all helped concentrate my research for my ill informed friend. Last night we spoke about this and then he mentions to me he had used another friend’s gun of higher quality, he bought the bear river thinking how much difference could there be? I just narrowed my eyes and stared at him. Obviously we will discuss this further, but now I have idea on what’s out there.

 

[fishing43]

Fwb 124, hw95/ r9 , and my rws 27 ( My Capt tuned) are some excellent choices for plinking and small game hunting. Hw 77 is another good choice.

 

[maxtrouble]

@rangur1 I aso recommend purchasing from Krale right now. I saved about $140 on my last rifle. Looks like there is a savings of about $100 on a HW50S. The open sights on this rifle excel out to 35 yards with my eyes. The sights are very accurate and customizable right out of the box with the included inserts and rear sight selection.

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