I need a TOUGH airgun scope. Going on a Beeman Kodiak Magnum (Webley Patriot). Spring gun so harsh on optics. Budget very limited right now. Has to be a 1" tube to fit my rings.
need TOUGH scope for Beeman Kodiak Magnum springer
- Thread starter DarryH
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My 2018 Benjamin Trail NP XL .22 has been pounding the included Crosman scope brand, CenterPoint 3-9x40AO, for some years now, still going strong. "XL" model is magnum power, nitro-piston but still kicks. WM
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For a tough scope when you are on a budget I would recommend checking out the Leepers UTG line of scopes. They have a reputation for holding up well on springers and are reasonable in price.
I've had a 3-9x32 UTG Bug Buster on an HW95 for a couple of years now and it's still working perfectly.
I've had a 3-9x32 UTG Bug Buster on an HW95 for a couple of years now and it's still working perfectly.
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Look for any Bushnell elite 3200 or 4200 series scopes. These are the earlier ones, always see them at gunshows for a couple hundred bucks and some on ebay. They can handle springer or gasram recoil..
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I am running into the same problem with my Benjamin Trail NP XL .17. Has been eating the UTG scopes, on 3rd. Will try a Sightmark Wraith 4-32 x 50 Digital Scope. On sale now for under $400. Recoil rated to a .308, hope that works.
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a heavy magnum springer can punish anything .. i had a beeman mach12. that thing was a beast, ruined like 3 scopes with it .. a utg 4-16 survived on it till i got rid of it .. i think it loosened it up alittle bit though lol
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I can strongly recommend any bush 4200 or 3200 series but they are priced high on the used market. 8mos back I bought a very cheap Tasco 2-7X32 AO (abt 65 bucks) and it worked so well I bought another. So far have used them on HW90, Hatsan 135 (!) and various gamos. They have a plain reticle but otherwise look identical to the Wulf and Hawk Vantage. AO is good to well under 10m. Optically they seem identical to Vantage and Wulf.
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A poorly tuned big gun will eat any scope.. a properly tuned big gun will not with the right scopes. Factory Kodiaks/Patriot are HORRID .. IVE HAD OVER 30 Of them. Everyone has a Loose un choked barrel in .25. In .22 they are a tad better but over sprung and under sealed. they benefit from a solid bit of internal work and reshaping.
That being said , get a cheap center point or Leapers for now. No bigger than 3x9x40 …It’s not if, it’s when with untreated Kodiak/Patriot.
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That being said , get a cheap center point or Leapers for now. No bigger than 3x9x40 …It’s not if, it’s when with untreated Kodiak/Patriot.
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Scope buster = something like a athlon and it's no questions asked lifetime warranty.. ( opinion).
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I use a recoil mount (Diana Bullseye clone) from amazon. I trued it up with nylon screws & polish the slides. These are on my Gamo & 46U. I will be buying another for another Magnum rifle soon...
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firearm recoil and spring/gas gun recoil is different. There is no way I'd put a digital scope on a springer.
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There are tons of articles and reading just a Google search away. In short, spring piston and gas ram airguns have a 'dual recoil' of sorts, that can play hell on scopes that are not designed for it. I've never heard of anyone chancing a digital scope on a spring gun. Before I'd do it, I'd certainly contact the manufacturer and see if they will warranty it if put on one.
Here are a couple quick reads
Here are a couple quick reads
How spring-piston rifles behave | Pyramyd AIR Blog
by B.B. Pelletier Okay, Grasshopper, enough Wax on! Wax off! It's time to use your skills. If you've been following the discussions over the past month about accuracy, you should now have the tools to be a pretty good judge of the potential accuracy of an air rifle and the relative ease with...
www.pyramydair.com
Rifle scopes - Air gun scopes, there is a difference. IHMSA News Feature Article
From the pages of The IHMSA News, Rifle Scopes vs. Airgun Scopes, What's The Difference, Parallax Described
www.lasc.us
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Like Rob mentioned, Warranty is an important factor when considering glass for a Springer. The double recoil on a Springer can and will destroy optics that are even rated for 50 BMG. I have 2 of the "better" UTG scopes (Lol) sitting on my bench that are wasted thanx to magnum springers. Those were bought many many years ago when I was rather stupid & ignorant. Now I am the type of person who belives you should spend as much money if not more on good glass as the weapon your putting it on. There are many manufactures who have unconditional, no questions asked, lifetime warranties. Those are the ones I would stick with. Cyclopes Joe, is an avid air rifle shooter who is also a member here. Has a great YT channel who reveiws scopes, many for air rifles. He's a great guy whom you can ask direct advice from if needed.
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I could be wrong but isn't there less moving parts on a digital scope compared to a "regular/erector tube" scope? Additionally, a digital scope is not dependent on mechanical means to hold zero
Again, I could be wrong but most electronics today are designed pretty robustly to absorb impacts (laptops and cellphones, granted not at the double recoiling G forces that springers generate...again and again and again). The only weak points I could see would be soldered connections.
Again just my opinion but given these design parameters, one could reason that in general, a digital scope might be more suitable for a recoiling springer.
I agree, check with the digital scope manufacturer.
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Maybe we can get one of the digital scope user and/or designer to weight in on this issue.
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You very well could be right. I just personally have never heard of anyone using one on a springer and I'm not willing to be the test pilot...haha
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I appreciate all of your advice. I will talk with Sightmark and see what they say, keep you posted. Let me know if you have any more thoughts.
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I agree with post #11. A recoil-less mount or a Sportmatch Dampa mount would work.
Wished Sportmatch or any scope mount manufacturer would make a Dampa/anti-recoil adjustable Dove tail to Picatinny riser. That would solve a lot of my problems.
Wished Sportmatch or any scope mount manufacturer would make a Dampa/anti-recoil adjustable Dove tail to Picatinny riser. That would solve a lot of my problems.
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