FX New member- please help with my new fx dreamline lite 30 cal- i have ton of questions but no answers..

[grzech2005]

You can send a lot of projectiles that fast of you need the number. I prefer the subsonic regime personally, ever since I did the rimfire thing with a club it's been something that stuck with me for preference.

i know- you can not shoot above speed of sound with pellets but this shows us how much room he has to get larger, heavier pellets or slugs and still launch them at their suggested fps.. or run the ones he likes but at a lower pressure- so its a win win situation with the dual plenum- you get more power or you get same power but at lower reg settings.. its good

 

[6gun]

i know- you can not shoot above speed of sound with pellets but this shows us how much room he has to get larger, heavier pellets or slugs and still launch them at their suggested fps.. or run the ones he likes but at a lower pressure- so its a win win situation with the dual plenum- you get more power or you get same power but at lower reg settings.. its good

Sending jsb monsters super sonic was an entire day for me and my shooting buddy. He was sending 25 slugs supersonic till he blew a bunch of orings out on his maverick. Beer tuning lessons

 

[grzech2005]

demolition airgun.. I was wondering why they have huge caliber in aea, I personally don't like aea design and quality but you just said a good use for their 72 caliber and I think I read they were coming out with a 95 caliber..
I'd think it would need a tripod to not knock the user over..
myself I stick with 22.. I shot a friend's 30 caliber jsar raptor..it was a really nice gun.
Mark

i just got the zeus 72 few days ago

 

[grzech2005]

Sorry I missed the non conversion part with the holiday cooking yesterday.

Can you post a picture of where the air tube meets the action(does it look like mine) ? Some of the newer dreamline guns have the bottle adapter and regulator with plenum and a screw on air tube with identical fittings as the fx bottle adapter. This means you may be able to just purchase a bottle of the dimensions you prefer with the bottle valve installed. Or you can buy a bottle valve and find a Chinese carbon bottle in lots of neat sizes and pick what best fits you. So long as the bottle is m18x1. 5 threads it will be a matter of screwing together parts.

The attached pic covers a few examples.
Top gun has a 360cc ali express cylinder that I converted the aea with. It was a tube gun.
Middle gun is dreamtact compact with (obscured) 300cc bottle.
Bottom gun is my money pit, semi useless slug shooting impact with a 580cc bottle for scale.

The 580 won't fit on my dreamline with the moderator.... Short barrel.


One of the more freeing things I ever did was have lots of large fill bottles and a compressor. I don't really worry about shot count per fill anymore if the gun can shoot at least a full magazine at high power. All 3 can shoot about 30 rounds per fill.

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but i must tell you this- i hate this gun so far!

i don't know what those idiots at fx restricted on this gun but its not performing well..

supposedly all i had to replace was the transfer port and add the hammer weight and crank up the reg- which i did

but this stupid gun is making 720fps at 130bar and power wheel on 23 (max) and spring tensioner at max!

so if i go to 135-140bar and try to tension the spring for the higher reg pressure- there are no more threads on the tensioning screw left

so what i maxed out on 130bar is all i get

now i am thinking they not only removed the hammer weight (and put it on the side in a bag) but also put in a weaker spring but did not include the original in the bag..

so what to do now- i don't know if my spring is the original .30cal spring.. so i am thinking of just upgrading with huma power parts..

a great member here already told me to get the power spring and probe from huma..

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

FX - The Dreamline Lite .30cal is finally here- and i have some questions, please help!

Hi guys its finally here.. i put it together- meaning back to its original power instead of 5.5fpe because i was in holland and could do that legally.. anyhow- i changed the port dial wheel, added the hammer weight (there was none-just a piece of plastic tubing :LOL: ) and cranked up the reg...

www.airgunnation.com

Conversation is already going. This is basically duplicate thread.


His dreamline was a 5.5fpe German restricted version. He replaced TP Wheel which was limited to the .177 opening only to limit power. Been guiding him how to tune, and come to the conclusion he likely also has a power limited valve seat.

 

[6gun]

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but i must tell you this- i hate this gun so far!

i don't know what those idiots at fx restricted on this gun but its not performing well..

supposedly all i had to replace was the transfer port and add the hammer weight and crank up the reg- which i did

but this stupid gun is making 720fps at 130bar and power wheel on 23 (max) and spring tensioner at max!

so if i go to 135-140bar and try to tension the spring for the higher reg pressure- there are no more threads on the tensioning screw left

so what i maxed out on 130bar is all i get

now i am thinking they not only removed the hammer weight (and put it on the side in a bag) but also put in a weaker spring but did not include the original in the bag..

so what to do now- i don't know if my spring is the original .30cal spring.. so i am thinking of just upgrading with huma power parts..

a great member here already told me to get the power spring and probe from huma..

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It's not a powerhouse valve and action but in 25 im running the pretty standard 150 bar. Transfer high, hammer maxxed and I only adjusted the micro screw to get to 850-860 where i wanted to be. My barrel is 380 mm tho and it's at 45 ft lbs with heavies. You can play with hammer weight and spring tension. With more pressure.

I'd recommend leaving your power adjuster where it is and the micro screw and start at 150 bar. There's room to go a little fimurther but be careful not to pop any orings. I tried to talk you out of a 30 and into a barrel kit . If you can get to 850 that's where pellets tend to universally like to be and it will have some power.

Just for comparison purposes. My 700mm impact is so much more efficient I can run 141 bar and be at 63 ft lbs easily. At one point I was at 165 bar and it was sending 34 grains 1050 fps. It took a tungsten hammer tho. Which is 83 ft lbs. Non of the critters I shoot knew the diff and the trajectory wasn't that much improved for my uses. The gun got turned down so I could be in the hot sun here and not worry about extruding an oring.


It's a dreamline, you have to keep in mind what it's specialty and power capability is. You do have the barrel length to handle longer valve open times so a spring and hammer change might get you where you want to go.

 

[grzech2005]

It's not a powerhouse valve and action but in 25 im running the pretty standard 150 bar. Transfer high, hammer maxxed and I only adjusted the micro screw to get to 850-860 where i wanted to be. My barrel is 380 mm tho and it's at 45 ft lbs with heavies. You can play with hammer weight and spring tension. With more pressure.

I'd recommend leaving your power adjuster where it is and the micro screw and start at 150 bar. There's room to go a little fimurther but be careful not to pop any orings. I tried to talk you out of a 30 and into a barrel kit . If you can get to 850 that's where pellets tend to universally like to be and it will have some power.

Just for comparison purposes. My 700mm impact is so much more efficient I can run 141 bar and be at 63 ft lbs easily. At one point I was at 165 bar and it was sending 34 grains 1050 fps. It took a tungsten hammer tho. Which is 83 ft lbs. Non of the critters I shoot knew the diff and the trajectory wasn't that much improved for my uses. The gun got turned down so I could be in the hot sun here and not worry about extruding an oring.


It's a dreamline, you have to keep in mind what it's specialty and power capability is. You do have the barrel length to handle longer valve open times so a spring and hammer change might get you where you want to go.

Yes!

this exactly what my new friend told me yesterday- my spring is totally maxed out and i can not overcome the reg pressure..

i am getting 720fps at power wheel max and micro screw at max and only 110bar but at 160 reg a i am getting 770fps with everything maxed out the same way!

so what does it tell me? that my spring is to weak for the higher pressures and manages just barely on the low reg pressure.. i wonder what else these idiots from fx changed to make it conform with 5.5pfe rule..

but the dealer says on his site that only hammer was removed and transfer port wheel.. but i replace those and still poop- so they either put in a wrong spring intended for .177 or something

so i ordered thanks to his advice a new pellet power kit from huma with a power spring + 2 heavy hammers + big pin probe..

and soon as they comes in- i will put them in..

 

[6gun]

Yes!

this exactly what my new friend told me yesterday- my spring is totally maxed out and i can not overcome the reg pressure..

i am getting 720fps at power wheel max and micro screw at max and only 110bar but at 160 reg a i am getting 770fps with everything maxed out the same way!

so what does it tell me? that my spring is to weak for the higher pressures and manages just barely on the low reg pressure.. i wonder what else these idiots from fx changed to make it conform with 5.5pfe rule..

but the dealer says on his site that only hammer was removed and transfer port wheel.. but i replace those and still poop- so they either put in a wrong spring intended for .177 or something

so i ordered thanks to his advice a new pellet power kit from huma with a power spring + 2 heavy hammers + big pin probe..

and soon as they comes in- i will put them in..

I don't think fx messed anything up, I think you got exactly what you bought for your region. Offering in in 30 was silly tho. Get back to you later when I'm not working haha. Good luck

 

[HogKiller]

Check your Belleville washers. I've got even money they are thin, limiting your max pressure. 5.5 ft lbs out of a 30 cal, you get that much dropping a slug/pellet on your foot. Anyway back to the washers you need thick ones, .53mm or greater as measured at the very edge, match them as closely as possible, and polish the mating surfaces a bit and a bit of lube, synthetic oil. THAT will get you up where you want to be BUT, your minimum will be about 120 bar.

 

[grzech2005]

Check your Belleville washers. I've got even money they are thin, limiting your max pressure. 5.5 ft lbs out of a 30 cal, you get that much dropping a slug/pellet on your foot. Anyway back to the washers you need thick ones, .53mm or greater as measured at the very edge, match them as closely as possible, and polish the mating surfaces a bit and a bit of lube, synthetic oil. THAT will get you up where you want to be BUT, your minimum will be about 120 bar.

i don't know how to take the reg apart but i will learn- how about i just get a new reg from huma and just install it- that should be easy

 

[grzech2005]

Check your Belleville washers. I've got even money they are thin, limiting your max pressure. 5.5 ft lbs out of a 30 cal, you get that much dropping a slug/pellet on your foot. Anyway back to the washers you need thick ones, .53mm or greater as measured at the very edge, match them as closely as possible, and polish the mating surfaces a bit and a bit of lube, synthetic oil. THAT will get you up where you want to be BUT, your minimum will be about 120 bar.

i am already up to 60pfe but would like to get more like others do with their DLs 30 cal

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

Check your Belleville washers. I've got even money they are thin, limiting your max pressure. 5.5 ft lbs out of a 30 cal, you get that much dropping a slug/pellet on your foot. Anyway back to the washers you need thick ones, .53mm or greater as measured at the very edge, match them as closely as possible, and polish the mating surfaces a bit and a bit of lube, synthetic oil. THAT will get you up where you want to be BUT, your minimum will be about 120 bar.

It seems he has a fully capable AMP V2.

The issue is the gun came limited with a .177 only outlet transfer port wheel. So it was permanently fixed to .177. he's replaced with the full 3 position wheel. I suspect it's a restricted valve seat i suspect there has to be 8something. Done to the spring. He has the full

pressure range. 770 with 44gr isn't shabby. And I expect a 13.5gr hammer or upgraded power tune spring he could get more in the 840-860 range. He's wanting 92-100fpe. I explained while it MAY be possible to hit 90... It's not best to constantly do that. Even with the large reservoir of a 700 bottle he's gonna be getting a much lower shot count than even the 860 region, which considering the caliber and weight of the pellet.. is a good amount of energy.

I've told him to generate near those powers he'd need to get the regular "FAC" VALVE seat (I've linked him to source it all). The Huma 135-200bar regulator, the power tune kit, hammer and spring. high flow probe and TP. And more plenum space.

Edit: maybe if someone is better at explaining things than I am will inform him that plugging 3 variables PW SETTING, micro setting, and reg pressure that works for someone else's gun isn't going to be an exact match for his gun. Maxing the wheel, the internal hs screw and reg pressure isn't gonna do it. You need to balance everything. And that 160 max and max aren't necessarily the highest velocities he can get. That high pressure can mean low velocity if the balance is off..

 

[6gun]

i am already up to 60pfe but would like to get more like others do with their DLs 30 cal

If youve gotten that far, im betting you just need a heavier hammer to get closer to the guns full potential and your wishes. The reg should go farther but I don't know how handicapped the gun was made. I do need to re read some posts and get up to date on the situation.

 

[6gun]

It seems he has a fully capable AMP V2.

The issue is the gun came limited with a .177 only outlet transfer port wheel. So it was permanently fixed to .177. he's replaced with the full 3 position wheel. I suspect it's a restricted valve seat i suspect there has to be 8something. Done to the spring. He has the full

pressure range. 770 with 44gr isn't shabby. And I expect a 13.5gr hammer or upgraded power tune spring he could get more in the 840-860 range. He's wanting 92-100fpe. I explained while it MAY be possible to hit 90... It's not best to constantly do that. Even with the large reservoir of a 700 bottle he's gonna be getting a much lower shot count than even the 860 region, which considering the caliber and weight of the pellet.. is a good amount of energy.

I've told him to generate near those powers he'd need to get the regular "FAC" VALVE seat (I've linked him to source it all). The Huma 135-200bar regulator, the power tune kit, hammer and spring. high flow probe and TP. And more plenum space.

Edit: maybe if someone is better at explaining things than I am will inform him that plugging 3 variables PW SETTING, micro setting, and reg pressure that works for someone else's gun isn't going to be an exact match for his gun. Maxing the wheel, the internal hs screw and reg pressure isn't gonna do it. You need to balance everything. And that 160 max and max aren't necessarily the highest velocities he can get. That high pressure can mean low velocity if the balance is off..

I think you've done an excellent job and explaining areas of interest and covered all the things myself and others overlooked. Well done sir. I'm not familiar with the modified parts to fpe cripple guns for non usa market and a handicapped valve seat is new to me.

The point about the huma hi psi reg is a good one. My shooting buddy had a couple too many beers and cranked his gun up to 190 bar and was sending everything he had supersonic and managed to hurt his regulator too(22 cal) . My impact(22) regulator worked for a while and then started creeping badly after a day at 170 bar which was no worry since huma was going in it was a delrin amp reg and im unsure what fx is supplying the dl with at this point I haven't torn my drramline down or done much beyond setting it at 150 bar and messing with moderators, but that's all I wanted the gun for was an out of the box pellet shooter at 850 fps. Gresch has heard that story too many times now

 

[6gun]

If youve gotten that far, im betting you just need a heavier hammer to get closer to the guns full potential and your wishes. The reg should go farther but I don't know how handicapped the gun was made. I do need to re read some posts and get up to date on the situation.

It seems he has a fully capable AMP V2.

The issue is the gun came limited with a .177 only outlet transfer port wheel. So it was permanently fixed to .177. he's replaced with the full 3 position wheel. I suspect it's a restricted valve seat i suspect there has to be 8something. Done to the spring. He has the full

pressure range. 770 with 44gr isn't shabby. And I expect a 13.5gr hammer or upgraded power tune spring he could get more in the 840-860 range. He's wanting 92-100fpe. I explained while it MAY be possible to hit 90... It's not best to constantly do that. Even with the large reservoir of a 700 bottle he's gonna be getting a much lower shot count than even the 860 region, which considering the caliber and weight of the pellet.. is a good amount of energy.

I've told him to generate near those powers he'd need to get the regular "FAC" VALVE seat (I've linked him to source it all). The Huma 135-200bar regulator, the power tune kit, hammer and spring. high flow probe and TP. And more plenum space.

Edit: maybe if someone is better at explaining things than I am will inform him that plugging 3 variables PW SETTING, micro setting, and reg pressure that works for someone else's gun isn't going to be an exact match for his gun. Maxing the wheel, the internal hs screw and reg pressure isn't gonna do it. You need to balance everything. And that 160 max and max aren't necessarily the highest velocities he can get. That high pressure can mean low velocity if the balance is off..

Grzech doubled up the little dreamline plenums already. Which it sounds like didn't leak and the wiggle went away after airing up?

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

I think you've done an excellent job and explaining areas of interest and covered all the things myself and others overlooked. Well done sir. I'm not familiar with the modified parts to fpe cripple guns for non usa market and a handicapped valve seat is new to me.

The point about the huma hi psi reg is a good one. My shooting buddy had a couple too many beers and cranked his gun up to 190 bar and was sending everything he had supersonic and managed to hurt his regulator too(22 cal) . My impact(22) regulator worked for a while and then started creeping badly after a day at 170 bar which was no worry since huma was going in it was a delrin amp reg and im unsure what fx is supplying the dl with at this point I haven't torn my drramline down or done much beyond setting it at 150 bar and messing with moderators, but that's all I wanted the gun for was an out of the box pellet shooter at 850 fps. Gresch has heard that story too many times now

Two different part numbers for valve seats in Nanny state Guns and full out FAC guns.

The AMP reg in the post 2021 dreamlines is the same AMP V2 in crown and impact I believe. It's not supposed to be set above 160.

I suggested he started a work up at 130bar. Because of my experience with my .25


From 100-135 bar I can reach acceptable velocities. It's between 128-135 that I can get the most out of mine. I've installed the high flow tp, probe, power tune spring and I'm shooting 34gr HMk2s at just over 900 if I roll the wheel up to 23 with my current preload and and reg setting... Almost 62fpe, and I still have another 1.5-2mm to go on the internal (micro)screw. At this setting Im only getting 55shots per 500cc tank fill (250-150).

I think it may be, in his eagerness to get power he may have it overdone. Could be plateaued... Rolled right past the sweet spot and it dropped slightly. He doesn't have the experience you or I do with these particular guns. I'm not expert ... But I have learned with 3 FX guns... Simply turning up the knob doesn't make big numbers.

I'm not trying to insult him or anything. But he's said himself "it doesnt make sense'.

I said the same exact thing when I was learning. It blew my freaking mind to see the velocity going up significantly as I lowered the pressure. I didn't quite understand the instructions. Using the Pw to tune and making brute force adjustments of the internal. When it could literally be a quarter rotation between perfect and absolute crap tune. From a sub 10fps extreme spread to 30fps. High lo hi lo. Wanting to pull my hair thinking I threw away $2500 (parts and scope etc included)

The plenums will possibly help the gun reach peak velocity and output at a lower pressure than without

 

[6gun]

Two different part numbers for valve seats in Nanny state Guns and full out FAC guns.

The AMP reg in the post 2021 dreamlines is the same AMP V2 in crown and impact I believe. It's not supposed to be set above 160.

I suggested he started a work up at 130bar. Because of my experience with my .25


From 100-135 bar I can reach acceptable velocities. It's between 128-135 that I can get the most out of mine. I've installed the high flow tp, probe, power tune spring and I'm shooting 34gr HMk2s at just over 900 if I roll the wheel up to 23 with my current preload and and reg setting... Almost 62fpe, and I still have another 1.5-2mm to go on the internal (micro)screw. At this setting Im only getting 55shots per 500cc tank fill (250-150).

I think it may be, in his eagerness to get power he may have it overdone. Could be plateaued... Rolled right past the sweet spot and it dropped slightly. He doesn't have the experience you or I do with these particular guns. I'm not expert ... But I have learned with 3 FX guns... Simply turning up the knob doesn't make big numbers.

I'm not trying to insult him or anything. But he's said himself "it doesnt make sense'.

I said the same exact thing when I was learning. It blew my freaking mind to see the velocity going up significantly as I lowered the pressure. I didn't quite understand the instructions. Using the Pw to tune and making brute force adjustments of the internal. When it could literally be a quarter rotation between perfect and absolute crap tune. From a sub 10fps extreme spread to 30fps. High lo hi lo. Wanting to pull my hair thinking I threw away $2500 (parts and scope etc included)

The plenums will possibly help the gun reach peak velocity and output at a lower pressure than without

It was an aha moment for me too that the air closes the valve with the return spring so there's a balance to it all and "harmonic tuning" made sense all of a sudden. I'm a finish carpenter by trade so my mind went to light hammer at a high velocity or a heavy hammer swung slower, there's two ways to get the job done. Light will return closed faster and heavier will have a longer open dwell time because objects in motion and whatnot . I went stock spring heavy hammer on my 700mm impact for my tastes because I hated the clacking of the light hammer for subsonic projectiles. It scares the critters.

I've been trying to help op in any way I can since he started this adventure, and it's going to teach me more about my dreamline than I ever expected since I wasn't going to open it up just to see. The impact mad scientist power phase got me too and I ended up turning it down a bit after a week.

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

It was an aha moment for me too that the air closes the valve with the return spring so there's a balance to it all and "harmonic tuning" made sense all of a sudden. I'm a finish carpenter by trade so my mind went to light hammer at a high velocity or a heavy hammer swung slower, there's two ways to get the job done. Light will return closed faster and heavier will have a longer open dwell time because objects in motion and whatnot . I went stock spring heavy hammer on my 700mm impact for my tastes because I hated the clacking of the light hammer for subsonic projectiles. It scares the critters.

I've been trying to help op in any way I can since he started this adventure, and it's going to teach me more about my dreamline than I ever expected since I wasn't going to open it up just to see. The impact mad scientist power phase got me too and I ended up turning it down a bit after a week.

Totally. A squirrel hit by 50fpe is just as dead as by 70. The expensive gun and components you worked to earn will thank you and in return stay with you longer just tuning it down that little bit, that POI circle will close downrange a little too. Currently I have 1 tune i can utilize all 3 projectiles I hunt with on. Accurately. 20 on the wheel is 862.5 with mk 2 heavy. 16-17 for 30gr hp slugs at 874-898. Finally 13 is 899-903 with FX 25.4s

Mk2 heavy from the 1:16 STX slug liner is an unbeatable combo..

Edit: I removed the 13.5 hammer, I realized I didn't need 140-160 for my best shooting.. the heavier spring and stock hammer gives me a nice hard whack with a shorter dwell

 

[grzech2005]

Grzech doubled up the little dreamline plenums already. Which it sounds like didn't leak and the wiggle went away after airing up?

yes- the wiggle went away under the pressure

 

[grzech2005]

Grzech doubled up the little dreamline plenums already. Which it sounds like didn't leak and the wiggle went away after airing up?

but there was a large washer between the original air cylinder and the valve housing which i did not keep when i put my new 700cc bottle with the new bottle adapter and new power plenum

was i supposed to keep it?

i thought the plenum was not using enough threads with this washer as without it so i threw it in the bag..

maybe it should go back on the gun?