FX New member- please help with my new fx dreamline lite 30 cal- i have ton of questions but no answers..

[grzech2005]

Two different part numbers for valve seats in Nanny state Guns and full out FAC guns.

The AMP reg in the post 2021 dreamlines is the same AMP V2 in crown and impact I believe. It's not supposed to be set above 160.

I suggested he started a work up at 130bar. Because of my experience with my .25


From 100-135 bar I can reach acceptable velocities. It's between 128-135 that I can get the most out of mine. I've installed the high flow tp, probe, power tune spring and I'm shooting 34gr HMk2s at just over 900 if I roll the wheel up to 23 with my current preload and and reg setting... Almost 62fpe, and I still have another 1.5-2mm to go on the internal (micro)screw. At this setting Im only getting 55shots per 500cc tank fill (250-150).

I think it may be, in his eagerness to get power he may have it overdone. Could be plateaued... Rolled right past the sweet spot and it dropped slightly. He doesn't have the experience you or I do with these particular guns. I'm not expert ... But I have learned with 3 FX guns... Simply turning up the knob doesn't make big numbers.

I'm not trying to insult him or anything. But he's said himself "it doesnt make sense'.

I said the same exact thing when I was learning. It blew my freaking mind to see the velocity going up significantly as I lowered the pressure. I didn't quite understand the instructions. Using the Pw to tune and making brute force adjustments of the internal. When it could literally be a quarter rotation between perfect and absolute crap tune. From a sub 10fps extreme spread to 30fps. High lo hi lo. Wanting to pull my hair thinking I threw away $2500 (parts and scope etc included)

The plenums will possibly help the gun reach peak velocity and output at a lower pressure than without

Ok

i got the pellet power kit and i installed the spring and the heaviest hammer, the probe not yet..

after putting the 13.2gram hammer nothing changed- i still could not get my fps to drop at 130bar reg so i decided to put in the heaviest 14.5gram hammer

and still nothing- i kept cranking the micro 1.5 to the max but my fps would not drop but i was getting only 800fps..

so to finally get the damn power wheel to overcome the pressure i shimmied the spring with 3 washers!

and still nothing..

so at this point i thought there is nothing else to put in but i kept thinking about my transfer port selector- that maybe it is not right put in..

and sure enough i took out the barrel and the last retaining screw- the biggest one closest to magazine and shined some light on my transfer port wheel to see if its open correctly

and sure enough it wasn't opened right- it got twisted and in the highest selection almost half the port hole was covered with the other part that lest the selector turn on it..

now i got the hole right- it got a lot bigger so i knew i am on to something

put everything together and went for it..

and nothing big came as i expect it to come- i managed only 850fps with the 45gr jsb..

so- after figuring out that the transfer port was not opened all the way, after putting in a stronger spring and the heaviest hammer, after shimming the damn spring with 3 washers and cranking the pW to max i managed to get around 850fps with 45gr or 820fps with H&N 50gr slugs which made around 75fpe or 101j..

i know it is a lot better then the 770fps i was getting last time but i was sure i would get over 900fps with all that added stuff and the shimms and not only 850fps..

i do not know what else to do besides putting that pellet probe still but that's it- i don't have a plan any more..

now with the shimms i can get the fps to drop lets say on 130bar reg when i go to maybe like position 15 on the pw but as i go next to 135-137bar and the speed drops- i add on the power wheel but still reach only 850ish fps..

then i go to 150bar and put in more hammer spring tension but still end up with only 850fps...

so the 850fps seems to be my limit but others are getting 950fps out of theirs 30cal dreamlines..

so i don't know what else to do..

i might check that seat valve when the new one comes in but till then i have no more clues..

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

Have you backed the 1.5 down ALL THE WAY? I have at least 2mm to go at 135 and I'm generating over 60 with 34 grain pellets.


How large of adjustments are you making?

It makes no sense that you're not reaching a point where your dropping or plateauing and not Gaining Any more fps

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

There should be a very noticeable.point where a quarter turn no longer gains any velocity. That is your plateau, once you find that point you then raise pressure. And keep working up. It sounds like you're starting out over the plateau

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

You're probably over gassed as hell. The dwell is going to be ETERNITY with all those power mods and the heaviest hammer at those pressures. You should need MUCH less hammer spring to peak at 130 back the little screw out. STOP playing with the wheel. Leave it at a setting and forget it exists for now. We're hunting velocity

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

I think if you back the 1.5 screw out a half turn at a time. Fire a few shots. The. Back it again. You'll find a spot where the velocity magically rises. At that very point you're peaked for 130bar. Then. You go to 135-140 and work until you reach peak and adjust up until you hit a velocity. 850 with 45gr pellets is not small power BTW. What are you hunting?

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

These are not volume knobs. This is a balance.. you're trying to equalize a triple beam scale

 

[grzech2005]

You're probably over gassed as hell. The dwell is going to be ETERNITY with all those power mods and the heaviest hammer at those pressures. You should need MUCH less hammer spring to peak at 130 back the little screw out. STOP playing with the wheel. Leave it at a setting and forget it exists for now. We're hunting velocity

ok

i will play with it tomorrow- today i drove to my shop for just putting in the spring and hammer but got stuck there over 3 hours going crazy with all these obstacles..

1. i will add the pellet probe and
set the power wheel to 23 max and leave it there all the time
2. i will go down to 130bar and back the micro all the way down and gradually go up to find the platoe
3. once the fps drop at 130bar i will go to 135-140bar (the fps should drop even more because more pressure against the hammer
4.i will continue adding micro 1.5 half turns till i don't see any more fps gains but drop and then move to 145-150bar and repeat all over till platoue

but i have a good idea that my top fps will be 850fps again...

see, no matter how i get to top, i get only up to 850fps

see- if there only were lighter pellets- like 40gr then i could reach still good fpe with them but at a higher, flatter fps but there aren't any- my choices here in germany start with 45gr jsb...

-should i remove the shimms or leave them?
-should i continue with the heaviest hammer 14.5gram?
-how to hell is this guy getting with his exact like mine DL 30cal 600mm these numbers?? beats me..

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

ok

i will play with it tomorrow- today i drove to my shop for just putting in the spring and hammer but got stuck there over 3 hours going crazy with all these obstacles..

1. i will add the pellet probe and
set the power wheel to 23 max and leave it there all the time
2. i will go down to 130bar and back the micro all the way down and gradually go up to find the platoe
3. once the fps drop at 130bar i will go to 135-140bar (the fps should drop even more because more pressure against the hammer
4.i will continue adding micro 1.5 half turns till i don't see any more fps gains but drop and then move to 145-150bar and repeat all over till platoue

but i have a good idea that my top fps will be 850fps again...

see, no matter how i get to top, i get only up to 850fps

see- if there only were lighter pellets- like 40gr then i could reach still good fpe with them but at a higher, flatter fps but there aren't any- my choices here in germany start with 45gr jsb...

-should i remove the shimms or leave them?
-should i continue with the heaviest hammer 14.5gram?
-how to hell is this guy getting with his exact like mine DL 30cal 600mm these numbers?? beats me..

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There's no way in hell. You're going to be limited to this.

Doesn't matter if 13 or 23 you can tune the same anywhere on the wheel . The reason I tune from 23 is so I can use the entire wheel ONCE I've found the velocity and balance. Then I can move the wheel back to a lighter stroke to shorten the dwell and get to the velocity which was my goal. For example. With 25.4gr pellets.. I wanted to shoot at 880.... So I set the wheel to 23 and found a spot at 107bar where I was shooting 925±fps, then I worked the wheel down a few steps until I was at about 880 average. Then I fine tune the 1.5mm to lessen my spread. If you bog the wheel down (which isn't great for the gun) at a position like 7 or 14 or 17. That is your new "MAX". I like to have the option to roll up from my tuned setting if I want to shoot a heavier projectile, or down tune . I get my whole wheel to use. Instead of having to rework everything. It's very easy for me to go back and shoot my preferred projectile. The wheel isn't important in this part of finding a pressure and balancing the 1.5mm screw to get a good velocity and a starting point for a fine tune.

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

I think you've been overpowering the the actual valve. My suspicion is you've been starting from the plateau. And this is why you're getting no gains.. once you're past the plateau youre just wasting gas.

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

But also, your valve seat maybe be one that cripples the gun if its the sub 12 version. Having half your tp blocked and opening it... Then getting 850 is a good sign though. Likely your dwell is too high and you're way past plateau

 

[grzech2005]

I think you've been overpowering the the actual valve. My suspicion is you've been starting from the plateau. And this is why you're getting no gains.. once you're past the plateau youre just wasting gas.

yes- tomorrow is the big day i will try all over again, this time the micro 1.5 all the way down

should i remove the shimmies from the spring?

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

yes- tomorrow is the big day i will try all over again, this time the micro 1.5 all the way down

should i remove the shimmies from the spring?

Yes. My god yes. I think you should be on the more intermediate weight hammer too. You're still using the amp reg. 160 is as high as it goes man..

 

[grzech2005]

Yes. My god yes. I think you should be on the more intermediate weight hammer too. You're still using the amp reg. 160 is as high as it goes man..

ok- tomorrow the 13.2gram hammer comes in and the shimms out- and i will tell you what i have reached and then we will know more about this gun and what is limiting him,,

we thought hammer and spring- well, they are in..

so lets see what i gat tomorrow

last thing will be the valve seat when it comes in..

bu5 i was shooting today with the new spring and 13.2gram hammer and i could not reach the platoe at 130bar reg pressure- so what does that mean? spring?? new one was in..

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

ok- tomorrow the 13.2gram hammer comes in and the shimms out- and i will tell you what i have reached and then we will know more about this gun and what is limiting him,,

we thought hammer and spring- well, they are in..

so lets see what i gat tomorrow

last thing will be the valve seat when it comes in..

bu5 i was shooting today with the new spring and 13.2gram hammer and i could not reach the platoe at 130bar reg pressure- so what does that mean? spring?? new one was in..

How far down did you take the 1.5mm screw.

So every single little interval was higher and higher velocity ? That shouldn't be possible at one pressure with much higher spring tension and a heavier hammer.. at all.

In fact. What used to be bogged down for me. Is now only 65% now.

 

[grzech2005]

How far down did you take the 1.5mm screw.

So every single little interval was higher and higher velocity ? That shouldn't be possible at one pressure with much higher spring tension and a heavier hammer.. at all.

In fact. What used to be bogged down for me. Is now only 65% now.

you right- i wasn't all the way down on the micro and perhaps above the platoe..

ok. tomorrow the new testing begins!

 

[6gun]

you right- i wasn't all the way down on the micro and perhaps above the platoe..

ok. tomorrow the new testing begins!

If you up the reg pressure and velocity decreases, you're out of hammer power. Spring and hammer weight work together.

The reg pressure and air flow will help close the valve if you are over gassing,so id like to see you use 150 bar and THEN experiment to overcome it with the hammer etc. Don't expect more than a few fps from the probe.

You're already well past the energy im making with my 700 in 22 and im running 142 bar right now, but different gun. The dreamline isnt anyrhing ive ever seen as a powerhouse but it's not to say it cannot be done.

I know it's frustrating but the progress you've made is promising and I think with some patience you'll find it. The good news, it's setup for a powerful pellet shooter right now and it's lethal for sure. I will be following your threads till you get where you want to go. After you get the max power we will be here to help you dial it down a little for precision too.

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

If you up the reg pressure and velocity decreases, you're out of hammer power. Spring and hammer weight work together.

The reg pressure and air flow will help close the valve if you are over gassing,so id like to see you use 150 bar and THEN experiment to overcome it with the hammer etc. Don't expect more than a few fps from the probe.

You're already well past the energy im making with my 700 in 22 and im running 142 bar right now, but different gun. The dreamline isnt anyrhing ive ever seen as a powerhouse but it's not to say it cannot be done.

I know it's frustrating but the progress you've made is promising and I think with some patience you'll find it. The good news, it's setup for a powerful pellet shooter right now and it's lethal for sure. I will be following your threads till you get where you want to go. After you get the max power we will be here to help you dial it down a little for precision too.

I'm pretty sure he's gonna end up in the 140-145 neighborhood. With the internals he's just swapped and the fact he's got more plenum space. I've asked him to work up from 130 so he can learn the balancing act. Or finding the sweet spot... Increasing and having to climb again in intervals.

 

[6gun]

I'm pretty sure he's gonna end up in the 140-145 neighborhood. With the internals he's just swapped and the fact he's got more plenum space. I've asked him to work up from 130 so he can learn the balancing act. Or finding the sweet spot... Increasing and having to climb again in intervals.

I'm in a different country but my 380mm dreamline in 25 absolutely loves 150 bar..... Short barrel and im using it to close the valve faster too. Zero mods to the gun. It's stuck around 865 fps, but i know I'm out of barrel by the sound of it.

I've had my other 700mm fx sending heavyfor caliber slugs at 1050 before and I turned it down. Group sizes suffered due to the violence of the sequence, noise suffered, shots per fill suffered(i have a hangup on 2 mags on a fill mandatory). Critters died all the same and the trajectory difference wasn't worth sweating it. 150-200 yard squirrel capability is more addicting.

I'm not trying to talk op out of his goal, but give hope of the enjoyment to be had with the progress he made.

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

I'm in a different country but my 380mm dreamline in 25 absolutely loves 150 bar..... Short barrel and im using it to close the valve faster too. Zero mods to the gun. It's stuck around 865 fps, but i know I'm out of barrel by the sound of it.

I've had my other 700mm fx sending heavyfor caliber slugs at 1050 before and I turned it down. Group sizes suffered due to the violence of the sequence, noise suffered, shots per fill suffered(i have a hangup on 2 mags on a fill mandatory). Critters died all the same and the trajectory difference wasn't worth sweating it. 150-200 yard squirrel capability is more addicting.

I'm not trying to talk op out of his goal, but give hope of the enjoyment to be had with the progress he made.

I've told him 850 isn't a bad spot. However, given that he installed the Huma Power turn spring and triple shimmed it as well as added the heaviest hammer they've got added to the fact he's got the power at max bogged down with the hammer spring screw fully in and he's only at 130... Saying that he can't find the plateau. I think he's been past the damn plateau because he's had the hammer spring sooooo far in. With the power obsession. I've doubt he's gone anywhere near the starting minimum of the 1.5mm internal screw.

He's so focused on power he's completely bypassing the fundamentals and familiarization. I want him to see how small an adjustment it takes to get from perfect peak balance for a pressure to nothing. That high max and max don't mean what he thinks. Power tune spring triple shimmed at 130 is nuts. He should absolutely be nowhere near the point he's at. He's got the internal screw so far in he can't turn the power wheel. Im trying to get him to what I believe that pressure can produce. And it has produced 850fps with 45gr. But I'm almost positive he's at a horrible balance and can get better much lower down on the 1.5. He's hunting so high in the preload and getting mad that he can't find the plateau. Hell have his "ah-ha" moment when he starts and keeps going down and all of sudden his number rises a tiny bit. But, then hell think he's got it and increase the 1.5 again and it won't get higher. And he'll have his "no s**t" moment. And that will get him going

 

[6gun]

I've told him 850 isn't a bad spot. However, given that he installed the Huma Power turn spring and triple shimmed it as well as added the heaviest hammer they've got added to the fact he's got the power at max bogged down with the hammer spring screw fully in and he's only at 130... Saying that he can't find the plateau. I think he's been past the damn plateau because he's had the hammer spring sooooo far in. With the power obsession. I've doubt he's gone anywhere near the starting minimum of the 1.5mm internal screw.

He's so focused on power he's completely bypassing the fundamentals and familiarization. I want him to see how small an adjustment it takes to get from perfect peak balance for a pressure to nothing. That high max and max don't mean what he thinks. Power tune spring triple shimmed at 130 is nuts. He should absolutely be nowhere near the point he's at. He's got the internal screw so far in he can't turn the power wheel. Im trying to get him to what I believe that pressure can produce. And it has produced 850fps with 45gr. But I'm almost positive he's at a horrible balance and can get better much lower down on the 1.5. He's hunting so high in the preload and getting mad that he can't find the plateau. Hell have his "ah-ha" moment when he starts and keeps going down and all of sudden his number rises a tiny bit. But, then hell think he's got it and increase the 1.5 again and it won't get higher. And he'll have his "no s**t" moment. And that will get him going

I wouldnt be shimming springs, i took 10 shots and removed a high power spring in my impact and just used the 26.5g hammer. A normal spring with enough hammer mass ought to do it and the pressure can be used to control dwell. There's something being overlooked I think too. I'm wondering if a previous poster's comment about a flow restricted valve seat is a direction worth exploring?