FX New member- please help with my new fx dreamline lite 30 cal- i have ton of questions but no answers..

[grzech2005]

Mess with what you have in the gun a little more and find the hammer limit. Pretend that the micro screw and macro wheel do not exist and leave them as they are, only adjusting the regulator(as directed in the manual do you don't ruin the piston)

You would need to get the high pressure reg and the tungsten hammer if you want to exceed the factory specified pressure limit. If your micro isnt helping anymore, have you found the point where increasing regulator pressure starts to lose velocity(a repeatable 10 fps) ?

The linked hammer is basically the end of the road and you will then be capable of over gassing the gun making it loud and often less accurate due to the air disturbances behind the exiting projectile. You could try it with your power spring eventually. I would carefully experiment with increasing pressure gradually over the chronograph to find where the pressure increase starts to help close the valve and shorten you valve open time.

At least on my 22 I was able to find that limit, and then turn it down using the tungsten hammer to make my shot sequence a smoother one at more realistic pressures and velocities. More force is more wear too on the hammer and valve components.

yes- i think at 150-155reg and pw max and micro 70-80% i get 870fps but when i went up on the micro it dropped to 860fps..

but i can not go any higher on the reg or i will risk damage to it
so it means my hammer is too light when i go over 80% on the micro..

so should i go for thungsten hammer? but it makes no sense since i am almost at 160bar and can not go higher to utilize that heavy hammer, right?

and i am not sure i want to beat the gun with 180 or 190bars if i get the super high pressure reg

but maybe just getting the super heavy hammer could help me get my 870fps at lower reg pressure? would that happen- no.. that would not happen because if i add to much hammer at lower pressure on the reg i will overpower the valve and the fps will drop

so getting the tungsten hammer makes only sense when one gets the super high pressure reg from huma..

or not so?

 

[6gun]

yes- i think at 150-155reg and pw max and micro 70-80% i get 870fps but when i went up on the micro it dropped to 860fps..

but i can not go any higher on the reg or i will risk damage to it
so it means my hammer is too light when i go over 80% on the micro..

so should i go for thungsten hammer? but it makes no sense since i am almost at 160bar and can not go higher to utilize that heavy hammer, right?

and i am not sure i want to beat the gun with 180 or 190bars if i get the super high pressure reg

but maybe just getting the super heavy hammer could help me get my 870fps at lower reg pressure? would that happen- no.. that would not happen because if i add to much hammer at lower pressure on the reg i will overpower the valve and the fps will drop

so getting the tungsten hammer makes only sense when one gets the super high pressure reg from huma..

or not so?

Not only will Increased hammer mass open a valve with more pressure behind it easier, the mass leaves the valve opened longer. It's a little bit different tuning experience because you have enough stuff to beat up parts and extrude orings now.

 

[grzech2005]

Not only will Increased hammer mass open a valve with more pressure behind it easier, the mass leaves the valve opened longer. It's a little bit different tuning experience because you have enough stuff to beat up parts and extrude orings now.

you did not answer me- will i be able to get the same 870fps (or more) i get now at 155reg with less reg pressure?

i could get few of those hammers and cut the back ends off at different lengths to get different weights...

and experiment with that.. so make like 18gram and 22gram hammer..

what do you think?

 

[grzech2005]

Not only will Increased hammer mass open a valve with more pressure behind it easier, the mass leaves the valve opened longer. It's a little bit different tuning experience because you have enough stuff to beat up parts and extrude orings now.

i am ordering this hammer- its a compromise between my 14.5grams and the tungsten at 27grams- it weighs 18.1grams

 

[6gun]

you did not answer me- will i be able to get the same 870fps (or more) i get now at 155reg with less reg pressure?

i could get few of those hammers and cut the back ends off at different lengths to get different weights...

and experiment with that.. so make like 18gram and 22gram hammer..

what do you think?

I looked up some videos of other that have done it, but they're kind of the top level tuners and TECHS (Earnest Rowe) . Youll have to try yourself and see what you get.

I'm familiar with the THEORY of tuning various pcp rifles, but i wont speak in a matter of fact way about platforms or calibers I have not personally worked on.

There's noway to garuntee that you find those results, or specific increases in speed.

I will say the factory tungsten hammer would be heavy enough to allow you to experiment to the potential of the rifle. In your purchase thread I was going to recommend a different platform but by that time you had bought already.

Collect an assortment of hop up parts, collect an assortment of projectiles. Keep a log book of the days density altitude, fill level and discharge level, every setting or adjustment you make. This helps spotting trends easier and returning to a tune that happened to be particularly consistent.

We haven't even gotten to stuff like seating depth, sorted sized washed and lubed projectiles. Choke sizes on liners etc.

 

[6gun]

i am ordering this hammer- its a compromise between my 14.5grams and the tungsten at 27grams- it weighs 18.1grams

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OK, I tried. Somewhere I think I recall that the v2 is in the modern guns already. If you want to know maximum performance capabilities, get the maximum parts. Tungsten.

 

[grzech2005]

OK, I tried. Somewhere I think I recall that the v2 is in the modern guns already. If you want to know maximum performance capabilities, get the maximum parts. Tungsten.

ok... i was thinking about some posts where the posters said that the heavy hammer broke their valve pins but that's the chance i am willing to take

so i opted for both

so i will basically gather my experience in smaller steps- first with a much heavier 18gram hammer and later with 27gram..

i already saw the difference in fps when i went from 11gram to 14.5gram (3.5gram increase) so i will probably see an improvement with the 18gram which is again another 3.5grams increase... and later with another 9gram increase

i did not order yet because i am looking who has them both so that i pay the shipping only once.

 

[grzech2005]

I looked up some videos of other that have done it, but they're kind of the top level tuners and TECHS (Earnest Rowe) . Youll have to try yourself and see what you get.

I'm familiar with the THEORY of tuning various pcp rifles, but i wont speak in a matter of fact way about platforms or calibers I have not personally worked on.

There's noway to garuntee that you find those results, or specific increases in speed.

I will say the factory tungsten hammer would be heavy enough to allow you to experiment to the potential of the rifle. In your purchase thread I was going to recommend a different platform but by that time you had bought already.

Collect an assortment of hop up parts, collect an assortment of projectiles. Keep a log book of the days density altitude, fill level and discharge level, every setting or adjustment you make. This helps spotting trends easier and returning to a tune that happened to be particularly consistent.

We haven't even gotten to stuff like seating depth, sorted sized washed and lubed projectiles. Choke sizes on liners etc.

there is nothing else that i could have ordered, no other platform in germany that is legal under 5.5fpe..

there were only 2 cal in the dreamline that is available because restricted- and they were .177 and 30cal.. so i went for 30cal

ok, there is also impact i think but only in .177 but costing double the price of dreamline so the choice was easy for me

 

[6gun]

there is nothing else that i could have ordered, no other platform in germany that is legal under 5.5fpe..

there were only 2 cal in the dreamline that is available because restricted- and they were .177 and 30cal.. so i went for 30cal

ok, there is also impact i think but only in .177 but costing double the price of dreamline so the choice was easy for me

I would've told you impact. I run the tungsten hammer weight in my impact and I run very little spring tension to achieve whar I want. Hence the adjustments to make it less violent after you find the performance ceiling.

 

[grzech2005]

I would've told you impact. I run the tungsten hammer weight in my impact and I run very little spring tension to achieve whar I want. Hence the adjustments to make it less violent after you find the performance ceiling.

yes- i hear you on impact-- but it costs almost 3k euros and my dreamline was 1.2k euros so there is a huge price difference..

and for what- to be plinking or target shooting plus few small animals.. the dreamline will suffice..

and for a real gun feeling i got the mighty zeus and use that when i want to feel what a real power energy feels like

and for even more power i am getting my 18 mandatory training sessions in the next few months to get approved on my new purchase of the HK MR308 that produces 3000fpe and costs less then impact..

so for the price of one impact 30cal (3k euros) i got one dreamline 30cal (1.2k euros) and one aea zeus big bore (1.5k euros) and still have change left for accessories..

the impact is not worth to me the 3x price increase over the dreamline because it does not do its job 3x better or delivers 3x the energy.. or 3x the precision

so go figure.. there are options for everyone since everyone has different priorities..


my priorities are

raw POWER- where the zeus comes in
power with precision at 1000yard range- where the sniper hk mr308 comes in
and fun plinking with precision- is where the dreamline comes in.

 

[6gun]

yes- i hear you on impact-- but it costs almost 3k euros and my dreamline was 1.2k euros so there is a huge price difference..

and for what- to be plinking or target shooting plus few small animals.. the dreamline will suffice..

and for a real gun feeling i got the mighty zeus and use that when i want to feel what a real power energy feels like

and for even more power i am getting my 18 mandatory training sessions in the next few months to get approved on my new purchase of the HK MR308 that produces 3000fpe and costs less then impact..

so for the price of one impact 30cal (3k euros) i got one dreamline 30cal (1.2k euros) and one aea zeus big bore (1.5k euros) and still have change left for accessories..

the impact is not worth to me the 3x price increase over the dreamline because it does not do its job 3x better or delivers 3x the energy.. or 3x the precision

so go figure.. there are options for everyone since everyone has different priorities..


my priorities are

raw POWER- where the zeus comes in
power with precision at 1000yard range- where the sniper hk mr308 comes in
and fun plinking with precision- is where the dreamline comes in.

The impact probably wouldve achieved more power right out of the box but is significantly more work to do a hammer change on. It's a weird gun but everything is very easily adjustable aside from the hammer and hammer spring. If its for small game I wouldnt mess with your dreamline much beyond what you've achieved unless it's enjoyable to tinker on it.

I find it enjoyable making the most of my machines but that isn't for everybody. The impact is so good that my substantial collection of powder burners is boring. Including something identical to what you're waiting on licensing for. I did find a 22lr that peaked my interest, it's German and sidelever and in a chassis but it's 6000 dollars

 

[6gun]

i am a youtuber and for that comes the zeus- i will just break sh..t up!

i am also a prepper and my family must be safe when the sh..t goes down- and it will go down one day! therefore are other tools

i am also a good distance shooter and that purpose is filled with the dreamline up to 100m to train.. further up to 500m comes the sniper mr308

6000usd for a 22lr?? no, thanks.. i rather invest in my mr308 few hundred euros to get a better upper and my own loads for custom energy/precision

but to each their own

you must go down your road and i go mine.. with 4 kids i have enough to think about..

where are you from, canada was my guess?

It's a competition setup 22lr. Had I not gotten an impact I may have lusted after the anschutz. Airguns just give us so many advantages over items like this.

1727 Match AI AT-X Sage Green (.900) 23" Threaded 5020 Match Trigger (016793AISG)

Anschutz Importation for North America

www.anschutznorthamerica.com

 

[6gun]

I super prepared guy but don't often talk about powder burners online for obvious reasons and this isn't the place. Otherwise I can speak at length about many calibers and platforms . 22lr, 4000fps 22 centerfires, things like you're looking at are machine shop projects over here.

 

[grzech2005]

I super prepared guy but don't often talk about powder burners online for obvious reasons and this isn't the place. Otherwise I can speak at length about many calibers and platforms . 22lr, 4000fps 22 centerfires, things like you're looking at are machine shop projects over here.

if you are a prepper then get yourself high end crossbows- i have plenty of those too.. and love em.. when everything else fails, they keep on going

 

[grzech2005]

It's a competition setup 22lr. Had I not gotten an impact I may have lusted after the anschutz. Airguns just give us so many advantages over items like this.

1727 Match AI AT-X Sage Green (.900) 23" Threaded 5020 Match Trigger (016793AISG)

Anschutz Importation for North America

www.anschutznorthamerica.com

i am done with my dreamline tuning, i put in the high power pellet probe and my fps went down.. so no more tunning- i get 870fps with 45gr hades and thats enough to play with, now its a nice toy..

the huma pellet probe was hanging up on the oring in the barrel so i had to smooth it out, then it worked but no fps increase but 10fps decrease so i dumped it..

i get 1cm groups at 50m and thats enough for this airgun, its enough for me.

next comes the zeus tuning.

 

[6gun]

if you are a prepper then get yourself high end crossbows- i have plenty of those too.. and love em.. when everything else fails, they keep on going

I have a 75 lb compound bow that I can be accurate with to 82 meters. I've been prepping my whole life. I was a boyscout for a long time, can make wood arrows and straighten them, arrowheads, bow strings and long bows . Spending your entire life on a quest to learn everything you can but skip college has payed off. I'm not rich but I've never been out of work. I did do some junior college for structural welding and "exotic" metal tig welding but they weren't very exotic.

Making my own ammo for 22 years, melting my own lead and casting projectiles. Made my own single shot 22 (not the barrel)

I've always loved air rifles but didn't try pcp guns until the benjamin marauder came out in 25 cal, and jumped into making my own parts and pcp converting little crosman guns, even pump guns. The fx impact changed everything with it's adjustability and let me learn how to shoot much better than I previously was, and slugs. They have their drawbacks but range limits get extended out, which honestly isnt necessary for most people. I'm shooting pellets to almost 100 meters even with my 850 fps dreamline with acceptable rodent accuracy.

As the other gentlmen that was helping you was saying, getting the precision tune dialed in was the key to success. Attached is a stock probe that I just opened to the slug window and Gaines 7fps but it's 22 so flow restrictions are a bit more noticeable on small ports. I use a slug probw now because I could adjust the seating depth.

 

[grzech2005]

I have a 75 lb compound bow that I can be accurate with to 82 meters. I've been prepping my whole life. I was a boyscout for a long time, can make wood arrows and straighten them, arrowheads, bow strings and long bows . Spending your entire life on a quest to learn everything you can but skip college has payed off. I'm not rich but I've never been out of work. I did do some junior college for structural welding and "exotic" metal tig welding but they weren't very exotic.

Making my own ammo for 22 years, melting my own lead and casting projectiles. Made my own single shot 22 (not the barrel)

I've always loved air rifles but didn't try pcp guns until the benjamin marauder came out in 25 cal, and jumped into making my own parts and pcp converting little crosman guns, even pump guns. The fx impact changed everything with it's adjustability and let me learn how to shoot much better than I previously was, and slugs. They have their drawbacks but range limits get extended out, which honestly isnt necessary for most people. I'm shooting pellets to almost 100 meters even with my 850 fps dreamline with acceptable rodent accuracy.

As the other gentlmen that was helping you was saying, getting the precision tune dialed in was the key to success. Attached is a stock probe that I just opened to the slug window and Gaines 7fps but it's 22 so flow restrictions are a bit more noticeable on small ports. I use a slug probw now because I could adjust the seating depth.

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one needs to be ready for anything and ready we are

i did not gain anything with my high flow pellet probe from huma, i lost speed.. it makes no sense but i did..

i am getting now around 870fps but dropped to 860 after installing it..

so i threw it away

tuning this gun makes no sense at all- when i should see fps increase- i get a decrease, dumb

not to happy with this gun but it will have to do because i am not getting any more fx

 

[6gun]

one needs to be ready for anything and ready we are

i did not gain anything with my high flow pellet probe from huma, i lost speed.. it makes no sense but i did..

i am getting now around 870fps but dropped to 860 after installing it..

so i threw it away

tuning this gun makes no sense at all- when i should see fps increase- i get a decrease, dumb

not to happy with this gun but it will have to do because i am not getting any more fx

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They're not for everybody. There's diminishing returns with all airguns and they all present it slightly differently. Aftermarket parts arent always better either. I think your gun is near it's upper performance realm for my estimation of your time preference.

Setting the gun up is kind of a ballet figuring out power delivery timing via valve, hammer weight and spring rates on both sides of the valve. Air pressure and volume needed (and it's effect on valve closure) to achieve the desired power and then tayloring the propellant curve to the barrel length and projectile-barrel travel time.


I blacked out, sorry.

 

[6gun]

Right after my post I watched rhis. You might like this gun. I really like the theory of it.

 

[grzech2005]

Right after my post I watched rhis. You might like this gun. I really like the theory of it.

what did you watch?

which gun i might like?

not sure what you meant or watched..