FX New member- please help with my new fx dreamline lite 30 cal- i have ton of questions but no answers..

[grzech2005]

Hi guys

Gregory from Germany says hallo- great to be here..

I just purchased today online my first fx dreamline lite in 30 cal. I only have a springer Weihrauh 85 and old daisy pcp but its crappy.. So i got the 30 cal because here in germany we only have 2 options for dreamline- the .177 cal (4.5mm) and the 30 cal (7.62mm) that the state approved but ofcourse it is limited to 7.5j or 5.5 foot pounds so its a joke..

But ok, included are the original hammer and transfer port knob so within minutes i can have it up to full open version specs which are by 30 cal around 110j or 82 ft lbs... of course its not legal in germany but holland is 2 hour drive so i can do it there legally holland has no stupid limits..

i always wanted to have a .22 cal but as you already know- we can not get the fx dreamline in that caliber- only .177 or .30 cal.. so i got the bigger one..

Now i am terrified of the .30 cal or to be more precise of the air consumption on that beast and would love to convert to .22 cal

and i have no clue what to buy- some wrote that i need a conversion kit with .22 barrel and shroud, others that i need the new .22 push pin, others said i need a new transfer ports and so on.. i am totally confused! i want to convert but dont know how or what to buy.

i want to go the .22 route but i want to have the MOST power available for that dreamline platform in .22 cal with heavy slugs form H&N 36gr..
then i will not be scared of the huge air consumption that the .30cal has.. it will be a fun target shooter but also good hunting rifle with heavy slugs

can someone help me- someone who did such conversion from 30cal down to .22cal and maxed out the power with mods for fx platform?

thanks guys

 

[grzech2005]

now that i come to think about it- a .22cal dreamline generating 30foot pounds maxed out and shooting very heavy 40gr slug from H&N is maybe a worse performer then my 30cal which generates 82 foot pound trying to sling 50gr slug.. maybe i should stay with the 30cal but invest into bigger carbon bottle and increase the shoot count... i could use some help here

 

[markhooper]

I don't have any FX guns.. but if you are worried about shot count for the air you would be best with a 177.. myself my favorite caliber is 22 because it is a lot easier to load and 177&22 are common that I can get in town without having to order..
I don't know much about your country, but it's always best to stay within the laws.. no one needs to get in trouble however we might want something..
I'm not sure from your post if you are new member, but if you are welcome, you will find a lot of information on lots of things if you are good at navigating the Internet and this site.. I'm not good with getting around the site, actually have a hard time finding anything myself but I happen to usually run across good information..
Mark

 

[6gun]

Hi guys

Gregory from Germany says hallo- great to be here..

I just purchased today online my first fx dreamline lite in 30 cal. I only have a springer Weihrauh 85 and old daisy pcp but its crappy.. So i got the 30 cal because here in germany we only have 2 options for dreamline- the .177 cal (4.5mm) and the 30 cal (7.62mm) that the state approved but ofcourse it is limited to 7.5j or 5.5 foot pounds so its a joke..

But ok, included are the original hammer and transfer port knob so within minutes i can have it up to full open version specs which are by 30 cal around 110j or 82 ft lbs... of course its not legal in germany but holland is 2 hour drive so i can do it there legally holland has no stupid limits..

i always wanted to have a .22 cal but as you already know- we can not get the fx dreamline in that caliber- only .177 or .30 cal.. so i got the bigger one..

Now i am terrified of the .30 cal or to be more precise of the air consumption on that beast and would love to convert to .22 cal

and i have no clue what to buy- some wrote that i need a conversion kit with .22 barrel and shroud, others that i need the new .22 push pin, others said i need a new transfer ports and so on.. i am totally confused! i want to convert but dont know how or what to buy.

i want to go the .22 route but i want to have the MOST power available for that dreamline platform in .22 cal with heavy slugs form H&N 36gr..
then i will not be scared of the huge air consumption that the .30cal has.. it will be a fun target shooter but also good hunting rifle with heavy slugs

can someone help me- someone who did such conversion from 30cal down to .22cal and maxed out the power with mods for fx platform?

thanks guys

Fx sells dreamline caliber conversion kits that have every part you need included except a mag. It's a straight forward swap and theres video tutorials on youtube. You will need a chronograph if you want to down tune to your local regulations. The pic shows 500mm being the shortest, the drop down tab has the shorter compact options.

I just bought a dreamline tactical compact 25 and it may be my favorite gun now, even over my impact. I hope you enjoy it! Link to kits for reference. Huma air has other ways to accomplish this as well.

FX Dreamline STX Barrel Kit | Utah Airguns

This STX Barrel Kit is compatible with any of the FX Dreamline models (Classic, Pup, Tact and Lite).

utahairguns.com

 

[6gun]

I don't have any FX guns.. but if you are worried about shot count for the air you would be best with a 177.. myself my favorite caliber is 22 because it is a lot easier to load and 177&22 are common that I can get in town without having to order..
I don't know much about your country, but it's always best to stay within the laws.. no one needs to get in trouble however we might want something..
I'm not sure from your post if you are new member, but if you are welcome, you will find a lot of information on lots of things if you are good at navigating the Internet and this site.. I'm not good with getting around the site, actually have a hard time finding anything myself but I happen to usually run across good information..
Mark

177 liners arent fully developed yet if my reading is correct from user experience. I don't know if he's tube or carbon bottle but my compact with a 300cc bottle is quite wasteful right now at 45 ft lbs in 25 on a 380mm barrel and I still get 2 full magazines before I get to regulator pressure.

 

[grzech2005]

I don't have any FX guns.. but if you are worried about shot count for the air you would be best with a 177.. myself my favorite caliber is 22 because it is a lot easier to load and 177&22 are common that I can get in town without having to order..
I don't know much about your country, but it's always best to stay within the laws.. no one needs to get in trouble however we might want something..
I'm not sure from your post if you are new member, but if you are welcome, you will find a lot of information on lots of things if you are good at navigating the Internet and this site.. I'm not good with getting around the site, actually have a hard time finding anything myself but I happen to usually run across good information..
Mark

Hi Mark- thank you for replying.. i am new member.. i dont want the .177 conversion kit because i could hafe just gotten the .177 from the start as i have these 2 options available- .177 and .30cal.. but the .177 doesnt have heavy liners and i want to shoot slugs so i thought of converting to .22 but now i think maybe i should just get a big 700cc carbon bottle and just stick with the .30cal but update the liner to heavy slug liner..

 

[grzech2005]

177 liners arent fully developed yet if my reading is correct from user experience. I don't know if he's tube or carbon bottle but my compact with a 300cc bottle is quite wasteful right now at 45 ft lbs in 25 on a 380mm barrel and I still get 2 full magazines before I get to regulator pressure.

i got the lite version with the 290cc cylinder- not even the bottle version.. so i will not get many shoots- maybe 25.. so i am thinking of getting the 700cc carbon bottle and sticking to .30cal shooting 50gr slugs- and just get the veavy slug liner.. what do you think?

 

[grzech2005]

Fx sells dreamline caliber conversion kits that have every part you need included except a mag. It's a straight forward swap and theres video tutorials on youtube. You will need a chronograph if you want to down tune to your local regulations. The pic shows 500mm being the shortest, the drop down tab has the shorter compact options.

I just bought a dreamline tactical compact 25 and it may be my favorite gun now, even over my impact. I hope you enjoy it! Link to kits for reference. Huma air has other ways to accomplish this as well.

FX Dreamline STX Barrel Kit | Utah Airguns

This STX Barrel Kit is compatible with any of the FX Dreamline models (Classic, Pup, Tact and Lite).

utahairguns.com

maybe i should keep the .30cal slinging 50gr slugs and just get the slug liner and a huge 700cc carbon bottle??

 

[HogKiller]

maybe i should keep the .30cal slinging 50gr slugs and just get the slug liner and a huge 700cc carbon bottle??

First welcome to the Rabbit Hole® Secondly, just cool you jets a smidgen, you must learn to walk before you run, like head long into a wall. Play with pellets for a bit get use to the gun, get it tuned to work well, that'll let you become more aquatinted with it. Question is, why do you want to do slugs?

 

[grzech2005]

First welcome to the Rabbit Hole® Secondly, just cool you jets a smidgen, you must learn to walk before you run, like head long into a wall. Play with pellets for a bit get use to the gun, get it tuned to work well, that'll let you become more squinted with it. Question is, why do you want to do slugs?

Hi HogKiller

thanks for having me here..

i agree with you, i should learn this air rifle first which i will do but i want to know what it takes to convert to slugs because i will convert once i know what i need to buy.. why do i want the slug shooter? i just love power, besides target or hunting small game i also break stuff- i got a small channel where i destroy stuff with my shredder and 500t hydraulic press, its just a silly content but i love it and others like it too.. i want to use this slugger to practice, hunt and break things up...so it needs to be a slugger and not a pelletier.. can you advise what i need to buy to convert to slugs?

 

[markhooper]

demolition airgun.. I was wondering why they have huge caliber in aea, I personally don't like aea design and quality but you just said a good use for their 72 caliber and I think I read they were coming out with a 95 caliber..
I'd think it would need a tripod to not knock the user over..
myself I stick with 22.. I shot a friend's 30 caliber jsar raptor..it was a really nice gun.
Mark

 

[grzech2005]

demolition airgun.. I was wondering why they have huge caliber in aea, I personally don't like aea design and quality but you just said a good use for their 72 caliber and I think I read they were coming out with a 95 caliber..
I'd think it would need a tripod to not knock the user over..
myself I stick with 22.. I shot a friend's 30 caliber jsar raptor..it was a really nice gun.
Mark

if we were allowed to get the 50cal or 72cal i would be all over it but its not allowed in Germany, legally... so the biggest cal that i can buy is .30cal but of course limited to 5.5foot pound (but easily tuned to full specs-not legal anymore). so if i want to hunt in Poland (my home) i rebuild it back from 82ftp down to 5.5ftp just to be able to transport it legally across Germany and once in Poland or holland i again rebuild it (5 min job) back to 82ftp< and on the way back to Germany same play all over.. how do cops know its legal- well, they just look at the "F" symbol on the gun (which is stamped into the metal) which means the airgun is "Free From Regulation" (aka castrated) .. so that's why i can only buy the dreamline in .177 and .30cal- because the gun dealer importing them made the modifications and got them approved for our market.. but only these two cal so far... funny thing is i have a gun license and own a glock 35 competition... but i will not get a high energy (over 5.5ftp) air rifle approved because in order to get it i need to train with it in a shooting club but for that the club needs to have a shooting event/class with 82ftp air rifle and they don't! most is the 12ftp and even that is hard to find or get approved.. so that's why i got what i got and i am happy that i could get it- now i want the MOST out of it.

 

[6gun]

Hi Mark- thank you for replying.. i am new member.. i dont want the .177 conversion kit because i could hafe just gotten the .177 from the start as i have these 2 options available- .177 and .30cal.. but the .177 doesnt have heavy liners and i want to shoot slugs so i thought of converting to .22 but now i think maybe i should just get a big 700cc carbon bottle and just stick with the .30cal but update the liner to heavy slug liner..

Do you also wish to be able to shoot pellets with precision past 50m or so? The experience im about to relay may not transfer to your experience but I caution against low power and the heavy liner. I've got a 700mm m3 impact in 22. It's just a slug cannon now and not the gun I grab most anymore for pests or plinking/target.

In my impact the pellet liner shot pellets and most slugs acceptably within 150y/M whichever flavor you prefer 23 grain javelin slugs and hybrid slugs were accurate 600fps to 1000 fps. I knew I was leaving something on the table for precision with slugs.... In comes a heavy liner and out went one of the best setups I ever tuned.

Slug precision got better at all weights, as did monster re design pellets but only marginally so for diabolo shapes. The big problem was I lost any accuracy with pellets under 25 grains due to what I believed to be the twist rate or choke change, or both. Accuracy is hitting the target but precision is hitting the same spot every time. I lost any semblance of accuracy when the pellet liner did fine with all but the 30 grain slugs before. If you want to hunt, slugs only is awesome, if you want to target shoot pellets have a strong argument.

With your energy restrictions I would strongly recommend against shooting slugs only, as they really show their benefits in a performance regime you can't use at home. The change was a level of dossapointment to me I can't convey properly.

The pellet liner is great for pellets of all weights, even monster redesigns as well as lighter slugs like hybrids and 23 javelins. I was shooting 18 grain jsb pellets to 100y with mouse headshot precision capability before the slug liner. Now that gun basically can't shoot pellets and is tuned for 65 ft lbs with the slug liner a pin probe and tungsten hammer.

If you have other guns and a slug shooter is your wish, don't let me talk you out of it. The impact is such an epic precision machine with pellets if you don't specialize for slugs that I feel obligated to say I think I took away from mine by doing the slug route.

 

[grzech2005]

Do you also wish to be able to shoot pellets with precision past 50m or so? The experience im about to relay may not transfer to your experience but I caution against low power and the heavy liner. I've got a 700mm m3 impact in 22. It's just a slug cannon now and not the gun I grab most anymore for pests or plinking/target.

In my impact the pellet liner shot pellets and most slugs acceptably within 150y/M whichever flavor you prefer 23 grain javelin slugs and hybrid slugs were accurate 600fps to 1000 fps. I knew I was leaving something on the table for precision with slugs.... In comes a heavy liner and out went one of the best setups I ever tuned.

Slug precision got better at all weights, as did monster re design pellets but only marginally so for diabolo shapes. The big problem was I lost any accuracy with pellets under 25 grains due to what I believed to be the twist rate or choke change, or both. Accuracy is hitting the target but precision is hitting the same spot every time. I lost any semblance of accuracy when the pellet liner did fine with all but the 30 grain slugs before. If you want to hunt, slugs only is awesome, if you want to target shoot pellets have a strong argument.

With your energy restrictions I would strongly recommend against shooting slugs only, as they really show their benefits in a performance regime you can't use at home. The change was a level of dossapointment to me I can't convey properly.

The pellet liner is great for pellets of all weights, even monster redesigns as well as lighter slugs like hybrids and 23 javelins. I was shooting 18 grain jsb pellets to 100y with mouse headshot precision capability before the slug liner. Now that gun basically can't shoot pellets and is tuned for 65 ft lbs with the slug liner a pin probe and tungsten hammer.

If you have other guns and a slug shooter is your wish, don't let me talk you out of it. The impact is such an epic precision machine with pellets if you don't specialize for slugs that I feel obligated to say I think I took away from mine by doing the slug route.

yes- i hear you and i know what i will do.. first i will do nothing which means i will learn my new rifle using what it has- the standard, superior liner shooting both- all types of pellets and lighter to medium slugs and probably be fine with it and happy! yes, that is the best way to proceed in my complicated situation and place i live in.. on the side note- i grew up in Chicago but came to this God forsaken place some 20 years ago and got stuck here... enjoy the greatest country in this world and take care of my beloved coutry!

 

[grzech2005]

Do you also wish to be able to shoot pellets with precision past 50m or so? The experience im about to relay may not transfer to your experience but I caution against low power and the heavy liner. I've got a 700mm m3 impact in 22. It's just a slug cannon now and not the gun I grab most anymore for pests or plinking/target.

In my impact the pellet liner shot pellets and most slugs acceptably within 150y/M whichever flavor you prefer 23 grain javelin slugs and hybrid slugs were accurate 600fps to 1000 fps. I knew I was leaving something on the table for precision with slugs.... In comes a heavy liner and out went one of the best setups I ever tuned.

Slug precision got better at all weights, as did monster re design pellets but only marginally so for diabolo shapes. The big problem was I lost any accuracy with pellets under 25 grains due to what I believed to be the twist rate or choke change, or both. Accuracy is hitting the target but precision is hitting the same spot every time. I lost any semblance of accuracy when the pellet liner did fine with all but the 30 grain slugs before. If you want to hunt, slugs only is awesome, if you want to target shoot pellets have a strong argument.

With your energy restrictions I would strongly recommend against shooting slugs only, as they really show their benefits in a performance regime you can't use at home. The change was a level of dossapointment to me I can't convey properly.

The pellet liner is great for pellets of all weights, even monster redesigns as well as lighter slugs like hybrids and 23 javelins. I was shooting 18 grain jsb pellets to 100y with mouse headshot precision capability before the slug liner. Now that gun basically can't shoot pellets and is tuned for 65 ft lbs with the slug liner a pin probe and tungsten hammer.

If you have other guns and a slug shooter is your wish, don't let me talk you out of it. The impact is such an epic precision machine with pellets if you don't specialize for slugs that I feel obligated to say I think I took away from mine by doing the slug route.

please tell me the twist rate of your new heavy slug liner that you put in your impact? i just found out from other post that a guy had an older fx with standard 1/30 twist and the heavy slug liner had 1/20 twist (post from may 2020) and the rep from fx usa just answered his question about the twist rate of the new liners which was going to be 1/23. And this one I have, 1/23 so maybe its a better twist rate bridging the gap between the 1/20 slugger and 1/30 pelletier?? i wonder which twist rate you got..

 

[grzech2005]

Do you also wish to be able to shoot pellets with precision past 50m or so? The experience im about to relay may not transfer to your experience but I caution against low power and the heavy liner. I've got a 700mm m3 impact in 22. It's just a slug cannon now and not the gun I grab most anymore for pests or plinking/target.

In my impact the pellet liner shot pellets and most slugs acceptably within 150y/M whichever flavor you prefer 23 grain javelin slugs and hybrid slugs were accurate 600fps to 1000 fps. I knew I was leaving something on the table for precision with slugs.... In comes a heavy liner and out went one of the best setups I ever tuned.

Slug precision got better at all weights, as did monster re design pellets but only marginally so for diabolo shapes. The big problem was I lost any accuracy with pellets under 25 grains due to what I believed to be the twist rate or choke change, or both. Accuracy is hitting the target but precision is hitting the same spot every time. I lost any semblance of accuracy when the pellet liner did fine with all but the 30 grain slugs before. If you want to hunt, slugs only is awesome, if you want to target shoot pellets have a strong argument.

With your energy restrictions I would strongly recommend against shooting slugs only, as they really show their benefits in a performance regime you can't use at home. The change was a level of dossapointment to me I can't convey properly.

The pellet liner is great for pellets of all weights, even monster redesigns as well as lighter slugs like hybrids and 23 javelins. I was shooting 18 grain jsb pellets to 100y with mouse headshot precision capability before the slug liner. Now that gun basically can't shoot pellets and is tuned for 65 ft lbs with the slug liner a pin probe and tungsten hammer.

If you have other guns and a slug shooter is your wish, don't let me talk you out of it. The impact is such an epic precision machine with pellets if you don't specialize for slugs that I feel obligated to say I think I took away from mine by doing the slug route.

and here is text from fx usa

The Revolutionary Hunting Projectile Now in .30 Caliber

The FX Hybrid Slug has been a fundamental leap forward in airgun projectile design. A projectile shape that combines the high ballistic coefficient of slugs, accuracy of pellets, and a light weight provided by the deep recessed hollow point provided by the Hybrid’s patented design. No FX offers the .30 Caliber Hybrid.

.30 Caliber has always been a fantastic hunting caliber. Providing more knock-down power while also inherently having a higher ballistic coefficient so the projectile could shoot at farther distances while still retaining its power. The .30 Hybrid is no different!

The .30 Cal Hybrid has the length and shape of a slug weighing north of 65 grains, yet thanks to its deep hollowed out core, weighs just 44.5 grains. The result is a fantastic ballistic coefficient at 0.102. This allows for shooters to take game humanely at great distances while still retaining the energy of the projectile. For instance, a 44.5 grain Hybrid shot at 980 fps has 95 ft lbs of muzzle energy. At 100 yards the Hybrid still maintains 67 ft lbs of energy (compared to a similar sized pellet that would only retain 45 ft lbs at 100 yards). This high BC also makes the FX Hybrid less susceptible to wind drift. All things needed to humanely take game at longer distances.

At just 44.5 grains, shooters will find that a vast amount of .30 caliber rifles will shoot the hybrid well. Optimal accuracy will be found between 960-1020 fps, but the Hybrid will still shoot well at slower speeds depending on the manufacturers barrel and twist rate.

To better tailor their barrels to shooting both the .30 Hybrid and standard .30 Cal pellets, FX Airguns has further advanced and adjusted the specification of their .30 Caliber Superior Standard STX liner. All .30 caliber rifles now being produced by FX Airguns will come with a Super Standard STX liner features a 1:26 twist rate. This liner will shoot both standard .30 Caliber pellets and .30 Cal FX Hybrid Slugs exceptionally well (as well as other light weight .30 Cal slugs).

The older Superior Liners shipped with previous .30 Caliber rifles are now called the FX .30 Cal Superior Slow Twist Liner. These feature a slower 1:37 twist rate ideally suited for long distance pellet shooting (particularly in windy conditions). Both liners serve their individual purposes and will be offered through FX dealers.

The new 1:26 twist rate .30 Caliber Superior Standard STX liner is starting to ship to FX dealers worldwide immediately.

The .30 Caliber FX Hybrid Slug is available immediately at all USA based FX Dealers and will be available shortly at worldwide FX Dealers.
Contact your local FX Dealer for pricing and availability.

 

[6gun]

yes- i hear you and i know what i will do.. first i will do nothing which means i will learn my new rifle using what it has- the standard, superior liner shooting both- all types of pellets and lighter to medium slugs and probably be fine with it and happy! yes, that is the best way to proceed in my complicated situation and place i live in.. on the side note- i grew up in Chicago but came to this God forsaken place some 20 years ago and got stuck here... enjoy the greatest country in this world and take care of my beloved coutry!

OK, I don't do metric but I try to be nice . I highly recommend trying 18 jsb, heavy hades pellets/monster redesigns and hybrid slugs or 23 gr javelins in the pellet liner and see what you think. I still made a couple 150 yard bird shots with the 23 javs and stock setup.

 

[grzech2005]

OK, I don't do metric but I try to be nice . I highly recommend trying 18 jsb, heavy hades pellets/monster redesigns and hybrid slugs or 23 gr javelins in the pellet liner and see what you think. I still made a couple 150 yard bird shots with the 23 javs and stock setup.

i cant do 23gr because i don't have .22cal.. but as i said i will take your advice and not change to heavy liner because it seems like i have a good, new liner with a good twist rate that accommodates both- pellets and light to medium slugs.. and thats all i want

 

[6gun]

i cant do 23gr because i don't have .22cal.. but as i said i will take your advice and not change to heavy liner because it seems like i have a good, new liner with a good twist rate that accommodates both- pellets and light to medium slugs.. and thats all i want

I dropped you a couple links earlier regarding caliber conversion kits. Huma air also sells parts to do it.

 

[grzech2005]

I dropped you a couple links earlier regarding caliber conversion kits. Huma air also sells parts to do it.

thank you 6gun!

i will not convert as i told you earlier because i listened to you and others and take advice gladly from you... I will keep the 30cal with the liner it has- it should have 1/23 liner which shines with pellets and with semi heavy slugs and can produce up to 95ftp- that's enough for me, i wont go near that and stay at max 80ftp..
but i need your help and support on how to rebuild my tank.. i have now this crappy aluminum cylinder which holds only 290cc.. i want to change to 700cc carbon tank it is 41cm long so i think it will fit without hitting the donnyfl sumo...

i know i need bottle adapter for 129euro and the 700cc carbon is 360euro- but after spending another 500euro i would have a weapon which shoots 44gr pellet/slug at 900-950ftp x 70 times before refill and that would be sweet.. and i don't want the 480cc carbon bottle because the barrel is to long and with the short and chubby 480cc bottle it sticks out and looks funny- i rather have the longest 700cc carbon bottle to fill in the empty gap left after removing the original, long 290cc aluminum cylinder..

that's why i need to know how long is the original 290cc cylinder- i just ordered my dreamline online yesterday and it will be at least 2 weeks till i have it and can measure anything on it..

can some of you guys who has the dreamline lite with aluminum cylinder tell me how long is the 290cc cylinder?