No thimble, i dont know how or what is differant internally, but the recoil is comparable to my .177, and seems to be very efficient on air for as hot as it shoots outta box. I squezzed 52 useable @100yards shots today, ave 870fps
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New redesigned RAW .25
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Who would of thought.....
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That is amazing! I'm considering having Martin modify my HM 1000x .25 to this new configuration. How often are you cleaning the .25 cal Polygon barrel? Have you notice any trade offs other than destroying back stops and running through more pellets
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Whoa and this is only 860fps for the .25 cal? I guess Ted was really on to something (heavy .25 in the 850-860's to win EBR)
These groups do suggest a higher BC for the .25, assuming the wind was identical for both rifles. Ken, do you have a 2nd chrony you can shoot over at 50,75,100 yards? I think the slow .25 has a HIGH BC, but it'd be great to put a real world number to it..and the .30 while you're at it (please! for comparison's sake) Be cool to see at what distance the .30 comes back, or if it even does. Good stuff.
These groups do suggest a higher BC for the .25, assuming the wind was identical for both rifles. Ken, do you have a 2nd chrony you can shoot over at 50,75,100 yards? I think the slow .25 has a HIGH BC, but it'd be great to put a real world number to it..and the .30 while you're at it (please! for comparison's sake) Be cool to see at what distance the .30 comes back, or if it even does. Good stuff.
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The 900fps is the number i gave Martin, just has accurate at 900 than 660-670, i feel like the pellet is more predictable at the lower fps, and im wanting more shots per fill for competition. Seems to "buck" the wind at slower fps. RAW is sending me some hammer springs to mod, i want to take it to 830fps for testing.
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The barrel is very low maintenance compared to traditional rifling, doesnt lead up nearly as fast. But it sure let me know when it wanted cleaned, fliers, shot gun pattern, 3 patches later and it was back to zero. No trade offs, hardly any recoil compared to the .30, VERY quiet too at sub 900fps. And its hitting hard at 100 yards, its blowing through my backstops that normal stops the .30.
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The guns were side by side, shot within minutes of each other. I only have one chrony sorry. I feel that the .25 shines to 120 yards, then the .30 takes over
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Ive done minimal testing past 110m, but have went to 150 yds, .30 won that test. Mainly testing 75/100 yards for competition. BUT every gun/shooter is different. 
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@percula, I'm came up with .041 for the .30 cal last week, tinkering with StrelokPro. Adjusted the BC until the POI (in the program) matched actual on-target results at 75 and 100 yards. BC is such a dynamic thing, that varies from gun to gun (obviously) but it also can go from one end of the spectrum to another during it's .37 second flight! Many years ago I built (and still have) a .20 caliber Air Ranger shooting 24gn heavies. The BC ranged from .032 to .430 depending on how far away the chronograph was.
Ive been meaning to buy a 2nd chrony for a while, so I'm just going to do it. IMO, the only way to know a projectile's TRUE BC is to shoot over 2 chronies at once. Averaging a few muzzle speeds and comparing to the average of a few down range speeds gets ya really close though, I will say! I'm just old school (or just old) so I can't take chairgun, etc as gospel I guess, haha.
Will update y'all (sorry, lived in TX for 5 years) when I have some numbers
Ive been meaning to buy a 2nd chrony for a while, so I'm just going to do it. IMO, the only way to know a projectile's TRUE BC is to shoot over 2 chronies at once. Averaging a few muzzle speeds and comparing to the average of a few down range speeds gets ya really close though, I will say! I'm just old school (or just old) so I can't take chairgun, etc as gospel I guess, haha.
Will update y'all (sorry, lived in TX for 5 years) when I have some numbers
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I talked to Martin on ordering this gun this past week. Could not figure out which RAW gun to buy. The .30 or the .25 shooting the heavies. Martin pushed me towards the .30 cal. He said not as much fliers as the .25.
I really wanted .25 shooting the heavies, but now I am not so sure.
I really wanted .25 shooting the heavies, but now I am not so sure.
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Be honest with yea, i have both rifles. Both are great rifles. One is as accurate as the other once you learn to shoot them like they want to be shot. Fliers can be eliminated with ammo sorting and selection. The .25 is in my opinion is easier to shoot accurately, very backyard friendly, my .30 isnt exactly backyard friendly. .25 has no recoil to speak of, which assist in accuracy. The .30 kicks pretty good and you have to really learn to control the recoil for the tight groups. The .25 is alittle more economical to shoot, air last longer, more ammo for the money. But if i had a deer at 75-100 yards to be dropped... the .30 would be the tool (seen it done)... all that said, my rifles are can do .5" at 100 yards, but again i got a .22 thats done this...
All comes down to the shooter "MOD"
All comes down to the shooter "MOD"
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I shot Salti's rifle at his range last week. We were just shooting for fun. Cast Iron frying pans at 100 yards. The pan was painted so I could see the hits through that wonderful Vortex scope. Shot after shot hit the same spot. Re-painting the frying pan will be quick and easy.
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aa, does this mean we're going to have to sell our Royale 500's and get the .25 RAW? I really like my Royale, it's darn accurate and incredibly lean on air consumption. I'm torn.
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all depends on what you want to do with yr rifles. if you want to compete go with the most accurate rifle you have or have the most confidence in. its that simple
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