New World Record in format 3-Shot at 927 yards

[Altaros]

We would like to present our new Airgun World Record, which differs from our previous records mainly in the format, where the goal is not to hit the target at the longest distance, but according to the 3-Shot Record format, where it is necessary to hit the target with 3 shots in a row.
This type some consider a much more significant demonstration of the accuracy of the shooting system, since this format limits the possibility of using "brute force" simply by a large number of shots before a single hit occurs.
A similar format is also used at ELR competitions, for example King 2 miles, with the only difference being that the condition is a cold bore shot, which cannot be applied in the video format, since the authenticity of such shooting cannot be guaranteed.

To achieve this result, a new generation of upcoming products such as the new Altaros M24 airgun series and new slugs were used. Both products will soon be available on our website.

Used airgun: Altaros M24 - secret project X
Used Slugs: Altaros CNC 100gr cal. 6mm
Used riflescope: Arken Optics sh4j 6-24x50 ffp mrad

Other equipment:
Altaros MOA Booster -periscope deviceSilencer:
Altaros Silencer with muzzle brake 1/2 UNF
Bipod - TACTICAL TK3 LOCK system (WEAVER) from Tactical EVO

 

[MOhunter]

Impressive!

 

[steve123]

6mm, that's cool! G1 BC must be .4-ish??

It's hard to tell that some of those were actually hits, some were obviously hits, some were pretty iffy, and some obviously missed. Nevertheless as usual it was neat to watch.

I think it'd do you better to come up with another target system like some really thin gauge steel painted white and an E flasher attached. That way you/we aren't wondering the target was hit or not and also because we can count the splats on the steel.

 

[Altaros]

yes BC is around the given value. It is necessary to realize that with the same weight centerfire bullets have a larger BC, since it is calculated primarily in the supersonic range, when their shape is significantly different than for the subsonic range, but still it is very close in ballistic properties to, for example, average centerfire bullets.

As for the visibility of the hits, I don't know if you watched it only on your phone. I make all the videos primarily for a PC / laptop with a normally large display.
The first 2 hits are clearly visible there and the third is also visible, when the lower left side of the target was hit. You can recognize the hit by the shock wave passing through the target, which undulates it. It is fundamentally different in its speed and direction than just a simple movement from the wind.
The last two shots are an perfect example of a miss, when you see dust just in front of the target, and the last shot is an impact just behind the target. In both cases, the target moves as naturally as possible from the wind, but not from the impact of the bullet, which is a fundamental difference from the impact of the first 3 shots.

This target has been developed for a long time, as it provides many advantages over a metal target.
The main advantage is its weight, where the entire target is designed to be transported by air with drone (same drone as the end of the video). This would not be possible with a metal target. In winter weather or after rain, it is very difficult to enter a muddy field.

Another advantage is that an experienced shooter can tell by the movement of the target which part of it he hit, which is not visible with all metal targets.

At the same time, this target does not make a loud sound when it hits, which could disturb animals or people within a radius of 300-400m. In addition, the sound attracts attention and you do not want anyone to go to look at the place of origin of the sound, as this can cause an unnecessarily dangerous situation. So it is always better not to draw attention to the place of impact.

I have already experienced situations where a local hunter, who should understand what the targets look like, went directly to look at the target location, some people simply do not have a very good sense of survival, but I will not risk my freedom for these people, so I have to think for them.

The visibility of the hit is fully recognizable even for an inexperienced observer with a little effort, so in this regard I do not see a problem with this target.

 

[rodjava]

Great shooting. Best verification ever posted so far.

 

[longshot36]

Whats the twist rate with .243 barrel?

 

[MadCowCrazy2]

Could you tell us some more on the caliber? Is it exactly 6mm or 6.35?
I'm not really sure how I feel about a brand new airgun caliber. It would mean I'm 100% reliant on you making it unless I ordered custom casting or pressing equipment. This would mean that once it's discontinued my gun would be basically useless unless I swapped calibers or made my own ammo.
Then again you can buy a small hobby CNC machine and make your own ammo right now and a fully automated one in a couple of years (yes you can buy a fully automated one right now but I mean in the less than €$500 price range category).
As for the target it seemed a bit flimsy in the wind. Felt that it blowing in the wind could turn a hit into a miss, the 5th shoot looks like it could have been a hit but the target flapping in the wind makes it impossible to tell.
As it's a weight constraint so the drone can fly it then could you water down some wood glue and paint it on it? This should make it stiff without adding more than a few grams of weight.

Best would be to have a dedicated shooting place but I don't know of a single one at or over 1km.
I don't think there'd be much of a problem with the target being metal, the noise should be pretty much non excitant at the ranges you are shooting at unless the target is like 100 meters from a neighbor, but then it's too heavy for the drone to fly out with.
Caldwell sells a product called a Flash Bang with is a indicator light you glue, tape, stick to the back of the target with lights sticking out on the side. When the target is hit it lights up. This would theoretically be a perfect solution but then people would say you trigger the light with a remote or a bug flew into the target triggering it (no idea how sensitive it is).

I believe Ton Jones pretty much ruined long range airgun shooting with his fake 2mile video. It has really done a huge disservice to the airgun community.
Your videos are much more believable and I really appreciate you providing "evidence" to back up your claims.
Would be a good idea if the drone could also drop a cheap action camera near the target or attached to the target, something you wont cry if it gets hit.
Threw this together to show what I mean. Red block is the camera. With something like this you could set it up before flying it to location.
The Insta 360 Go 3S is 39g, with a pvc pipe to hold it in place it should add less than 100g of weight. Thought recording time is only 38 minutes.
It is however expensive but it is small so hitting it should be low. There are €30 chinesium versions but they are only 1080p but 2 hour or "About 200 minutes" battery if you believe listed specs.

So solution seems to be to get a bigger drone? One that can carry a 5kg metal target with a camera stick attached?

 

[rodjava]

You are correct sir.
"I believe Ton Jones pretty much ruined long range airgun shooting with his fake 2mile video. It has really done a huge disservice to the airgun community."

 

[longshot36]

That's too bad, I really like airforce guns

 

[rodjava]

That's too bad, I really like airforce guns

I still like my .257 LLS Texan. I just don't like what Ton Jones did.

 

[Centercut]

You are correct sir.
"I believe Ton Jones pretty much ruined long range airgun shooting with his fake 2mile video. It has really done a huge disservice to the airgun community."

It wasn’t the fact that he did it. The problem was that he didn’t come out afterwards and say “gotcha”. The lack of integrity by Air Force Airguns in promoting his farce was disappointing at best.

 

[Altaros]

Great shooting. Best verification ever posted so far.

thank you Rod

Whats the twist rate with .243 barrel?

1:6.5

Could you tell us some more on the caliber? Is it exactly 6mm or 6.35?

It is a slug designed for the 6mm barrel for centerfire rifles. So cal. 6mm

I'm not really sure how I feel about a brand new airgun caliber. It would mean I'm 100% reliant on you making it unless I ordered custom casting or pressing equipment. This would mean that once it's discontinued my gun would be basically useless unless I swapped calibers or made my own ammo.

Goal is to deliver a tuned rifle and suitable specific ammunition. So no laboring, but a rifle designed straight out of the box for long-range shooting. Airgun calibers are just a matter of history, they are not suitable for modern airguns, or rather, the barrel is not suitable for them.

Then again you can buy a small hobby CNC machine and make your own ammo right now and a fully automated one in a couple of years (yes you can buy a fully automated one right now but I mean in the less than €$500 price range category).

Good luck, it took us many years to get it into real working order and still have a competitive price for sale

As for the target it seemed a bit flimsy in the wind. Felt that it blowing in the wind could turn a hit into a miss, the 5th shoot looks like it could have been a hit but the target flapping in the wind makes it impossible to tell

yes, that is a disadvantage of this type, it is possible to make a transverse reinforcement, but then the advantage of indicating the impact point on the target is lost.
No, the last shot is a miss. The angle of impact of the shot is 9 degrees, so an impact of 2 meters behind the target is enough for you to miss the target at all if you aim for the center.
hitting the target simply makes the target move quickly

Best would be to have a dedicated shooting place but I don't know of a single one at or over 1km.
I don't think there'd be much of a problem with the target being metal, the noise should be pretty much non excitant at the ranges you are shooting at unless the target is like 100 meters from a neighbor, but then it's too heavy for the drone to fly out with.

most people think that the impact is not so much heard. That's why today I edited this older video from a classic shooting range for centerfire guns, where I was shooting in the summer with the same airgun as in the previous video.
You can hear with your own ears how brutally loud the impact is on the gong and that's the recording distance of 470 yards.

So solution seems to be to get a bigger drone? One that can carry a 5kg metal target with a camera stick attached?

The category of this drone is already limited in use here, a drone that could carry 5kg would be extra expensive and would also require extremely demanding permits and pilot tests.

This target used is really fully sufficient, if you see 20-30 hits, you will later be able to accurately distinguish a clear hit from a miss.

 

[Altaros]

It wasn’t the fact that he did it. The problem was that he didn’t come out afterwards and say “gotcha”. The lack of integrity by Air Force Airguns in promoting his farce was disappointing at best.

It's quite funny that even his fake record of 2060 yards was already broken a few months ago

 

[Healthservices]

That's definitely some nice shooting. When will the rifle be released to public for purchase? The target you have definitely shows when hit. Noise is not a factor where I shoot. As I am the only person who shoots a air gun at the range I shoot. I completely understand how it could be dangerous where you are. How thick was that other gong at 470 yards? That definitely shows when hit. It was like a pizza pan!

Allen

 

[MadCowCrazy2]

I'm curious about the design of the rifle, what is it designed for? A high accuracy airgun for target and hunting?
Is it a Altaros M24 with a different caliber barrel or was a larger redesign needed?
If a larger redesign will there be 5.5mm or 6.35mm versions of this new rifle? Larger calibers? 6.5mm? .50cal?
Is there a caliber that is mathematically the best suited for airguns? I'd assume shooting range is a huge factors as well as bullet weight.
Bull barrel or same as M24 with airtank around barrel? Tether tank instead of onboard one? If integrated tank then how many shots can you get?
Will there be any customization on the rifle? Different barrel lengths?

If it's a dedicated long range gun, if it's not standard then would a bull barrel option be available and you use an external tethered air supply?
Or would such an option be impossible due to gun design? Personally for a dedicated precision benchrest rifle I'd prefer external tether, I always shoot tethered regardless. It's mainly for hunting you need an onboard tank. For target shooting you can have a tank of whatever size you want.

The bullets were 100gr (don't know if they are still considered slugs but to me they look more like bullets). Will they be sold in packs of 25, 50 or such due to weight?
Will there be a whole range of ammo? 30, 40, 50, 75, 100, 125, 150grains? It's basically just increasing or decreasing the length of the bullet. So from slugs, to bullets to darts.
What speed were they shot at? What settings does the rifle have to adjust speed? What pressures does it fire at? I assume it's not able to go supersonic with 100gr bullets but capable with slugs?
Or is the rifle designed only to shoot the 100gr bullets and nothing else if you want the best of the best performance from the rifle?

Since this rifle will be available "soon" then that should mean you move onto the next project? Any plans for a dedicated benchrest rifle? One dedicated for hole in hole accuracy at 100-300meters?
Everyone seems to be making semi auto pistols, I think 4 were released in the last year (Huben, Hatsan, Evanix, Western Airguns), any Altaros pistols in the pipeline? Personally I'd love to see one without onboard airtank but instead you tether in the bottom of the grip like you can do with the Umarex Steel Storm with the HPA adapter. If you did this the pistols could have a much smaller profile.

Some questions are a bit off topic I know but it's rare to talk directly with a manufacturer so might as well take the chance whilst it's still possible

 

[MAUMAU]

You are correct sir.
"I believe Ton Jones pretty much ruined long range airgun shooting with his fake 2mile video. It has really done a huge disservice to the airgun community."

It wasn’t the fact that he did it. The problem was that he didn’t come out afterwards and say “gotcha”. The lack of integrity by Air Force Airguns in promoting his farce was disappointing at best.

Although I have one AirForce rifle, that stunt by the above mentioned individual influenced me to never buy another.

I also did not like the fact that he had inverted pentagrams ( most well known symbol of Satanism ) tattooed on his hands. You could clearly see these when he used to do videos for AF.

 

[markhooper]

We would like to present our new Airgun World Record, which differs from our previous records mainly in the format, where the goal is not to hit the target at the longest distance, but according to the 3-Shot Record format, where it is necessary to hit the target with 3 shots in a row.
This type some consider a much more significant demonstration of the accuracy of the shooting system, since this format limits the possibility of using "brute force" simply by a large number of shots before a single hit occurs.
A similar format is also used at ELR competitions, for example King 2 miles, with the only difference being that the condition is a cold bore shot, which cannot be applied in the video format, since the authenticity of such shooting cannot be guaranteed.

To achieve this result, a new generation of upcoming products such as the new Altaros M24 airgun series and new slugs were used. Both products will soon be available on our website.

Used airgun: Altaros M24 - secret project X
Used Slugs: Altaros CNC 100gr cal. 6mm
Used riflescope: Arken Optics sh4j 6-24x50 ffp mrad

Other equipment:
Altaros MOA Booster -periscope deviceSilencer:
Altaros Silencer with muzzle brake 1/2 UNF
Bipod - TACTICAL TK3 LOCK system (WEAVER) from Tactical EVO

just wanted to say thank you for the video.. it's great to see consecutive shots.. even included the missed shots..I watched one of the airforce texan 308 over a mile and they walked it in with several shots.. but unfortunately they stopped as soon as they got the first hit and well I had to wonder if they hit it or accidentally hit it.. without at least a second shot it's hard to really tell..
was a great video here.. thank you
Mark

 

[Altaros]

I'm curious about the design of the rifle, what is it designed for? A high accuracy airgun for target and hunting?
Is it a Altaros M24 with a different caliber barrel or was a larger redesign needed?

I understand that you have a lot of questions and I would like to answer them, but we do not want to make the same mistake as in the past.
When we gave instructions a few years ago on how a modern airgun should look like in the form of prototypes, which were misused by other manufacturers, we all know who we are talking about.
So until the rifle is ready in serial form, we will give very little information. Thank you for your understanding.

What I can say is that it is a platform that can be easily expanded for different shooting purposes and types of competition and different calibers and different types of barrels.
I will not say more for now.
This product, along with another one, is our top priority today, so we believe it will be on the market relatively soon.

 

[Altaros]

That's definitely some nice shooting. When will the rifle be released to public for purchase? The target you have definitely shows when hit. Noise is not a factor where I shoot. As I am the only person who shoots a air gun at the range I shoot. I completely understand how it could be dangerous where you are. How thick was that other gong at 470 yards? That definitely shows when hit. It was like a pizza pan!

Allen

I really appreciate it Allen.
You have access to a beautiful shooting range and believe me, it is a much better option than shooting outside of it.
For example, in this video while shooting
I have to watch with my other eye a monitor divided into 4 screens + 2 other displays where I check both the immediate surroundings and the wide area at the landing site + the area along the entire flight path.

One photo example where I used a bed for prone shooting training (I needed to be higher), yet you still have to be aware of your surroundings because the local airgun law clearly states that you must not endanger the health or property of other people.



It is very exhausting and of course it affects the shooting itself, on which you cannot fully concentrate.
The shooting area is a farming area where every 1.5 -2 miles there is a smaller village, so no abandoned areas and people walk practically anywhere

So having the opportunity to shoot at shooting ranges where you don't have to drive 2 hours is really a win.

Used plate i 10mm thick but this is the rest of the material when CNC machining a hole in the aluminum plate, that's why there are those holes from firearms .223 and.308. The advantage is that the plate itself is not that heavy as steel.

 

[steve123]

Although I have one AirForce rifle, that stunt by the above mentioned individual influenced me to never buy another.

I also did not like the fact that he had inverted pentagrams ( most well known symbol of Satanism ) tattooed on his hands. You could clearly see these when he used to do videos for AF.

So did Scout in a advertisement photo. Except worse because it was on a USA flag inverted upside down which symbolizes the fall of America into the globalists Beast system.