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For pure accuracy, 177 is hard to beat in an HW97 class gun. The flat trajectory minimizes the effect of range estimation errors, and wind drift is also relatively low.



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In truth, I try to set up all my field guns with the same trajectory to keep things simple. And that means a muzzle velocity of roughly 800 to 900 fps. So the 12-15 ft-lb springers are in 177, the 20 ft-lb PCP is in 20 caliber, and the 30 ft-lb PCP is in 22. Got to have a plan, right?
 
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Because of quality differences!!!

Though I was raised with high quality Springer's as a boy in the 70's, and owned some other nice ones as the years went by, I sold all of them but one. Too me they are a rough delivery system for air.

Most of the people I run across that buy gamo Springer's are unhappy they did.

And it's not a good idea to have a pellet breaking the sound barrier for accuracy's sake. 


 
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Because Gamo will break probably in a short amount of time and most likely can’t hit the side of a barn. A weihrauch, any of them, can hit a walnut at 30 yards and a hw97 can hit a walnut size group 5x at 50-60 yards (usually quarter to dime size).



lower velocity is a ballistic necessity, at least for springers. Anything advertising above 1000fps is either false or junk. Subsonic speeds that are ideal are between 575-975 (850-950 being the - spot)!
 
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If it is not a PCP, it is not accurate above 1000fps+. Perhaps in .177 with a Diana 350 and so on, but still really difficult to achieve. If you want to prove me wrong about your gamo feel free to upload an unedited video of you hitting a walnut shape at 50-60 yards (very easy with any Weihrauch 97, 77, 57, 90, 95, 30, 50. Plenty of high power springers in .177 can achieve 1000fps, but usually they only become accurate by using heavier pellets and dropping those chrony numbers down to 925-975!



I’m totally willing to see the evidence that your gamo is a perfect shot. Change my mind about the product!
 
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Btw when I shoot my PCPs above 1000 I lose accuracy still too. I have a few with LW barrels and the whole deal and still have to regulate down on the output. Just as an example if I use my TalonP at level 10 I shoot at 1005 and the accuracy is bad. If I crank it down to 4-7 the accuracy is phenomenal. Same thing with several of the guns I have. Pellet aerodynamics are built around subsonic speed. Slugs you can achieve some different kinds of stabilization, but Gamo would still ruin into problems at the ranges of above 35 yards. Even at 25 yards a Gamo could not do half what a 97 does consistently at 50+yards. There is a reason one doesn’t see Gamo’s in competition, and if Gamo was accurate the clearest evidence of it would be that they are used for benchrest alongside the rifles we are talking about. Of course they are not because they are not as accurate. And that is okay, you know. Heck, Gamo does a good thing by getting people into the sport and having fun, albeit they do it in a not so accurate way. 
 
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Yeah, I think a lot of people just aren't as good of shooters as they think they are. I can easily hit a walnut at 50 yards with open sights. Have slapped countless prairie dogs right in the noggin at 100 with a no-scope .22lr. Accuracy is achieved through repetition, consistency and a relationship with the weapon.

You can spew about harmonics at 1125+ all you want. It doesn't always equal inaccuracy. That's all I have to say about that.
 
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Well a .22lr is not a Gamo haha, so that just illustrates my point. If I take my .22lr or 223/556 Guns to the range or hunting I can hit all kinds of things far out. But that is not a .22 Gamo doing that. As I stated already, show me your shots with chrony. Doesn’t have to be a fancy, just something to prove your point. Heck, skip the chrony because Gamos are usually running around 920fps with lead anyway (magnums with lead).

If you can do what you are saying with a Gamo I would be most impressed and you would have one heck of a rifle and one in a million. 


My point on shooting competitors still stands though; if, and I say if with emphasis, Gamo did have accuracy they would be seen in competitions. Competitors don’t go for second best. They go for best, everytime. What Airguns do you see in competitions? Hw97, HW77, TX200, and some Diana. Hmm. Where is the Gamo?
 
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Well a .22lr is not a Gamo haha, so that just illustrates my point. If I take my .22lr or 223/556 Guns to the range or hunting I can hit all kinds of things far out. But that is not a .22 Gamo doing that. As I stated already, show me your shots with chrony. Doesn’t have to be a fancy, just something to prove your point. Heck, skip the chrony because Gamos are usually running around 920fps with lead anyway (magnums with lead).

If you can do what you are saying with a Gamo I would be most impressed and you would have one heck of a rifle and one in a million. 


My point on shooting competitors still stands though; if, and I say if with emphasis, Gamo did have accuracy they would be seen in competitions. Competitors don’t go for second best. They go for best, everytime. What Airguns do you see in competitions? Hw97, HW77, TX200, and some Diana. Hmm. Where is the Gamo?
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That's like asking why you don't see production motorcycles in a MotoGP race. I think the answer is obvious and the question is ridiculous. Also, I see none in competitions, because who. tf. watches airgun competitions? Super, super weird here. 

Why do you think it's so hard to hit a walnut at 50 yards? It's really not. 
 
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Oh I don’t think it is hard to hit a walnut. I’ve never claimed that. I claimed that Gamo rifles cannot consistently hit a walnut as any of the rifles discussed above by other members and myself. And yes, I’m glad that you agree nobody would bring a Gamo to a range, for obvious lack of accuracy reasons.



Also, it is weird here, and you are here too. The people that watch airgun videos are air gunners, obviously. Have fun trying to hit walnut size. I can’t wait to see your grouping on video with your precision Gamo!
 
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Oh I don’t think it is hard to hit a walnut. I’ve never claimed that. I claimed that Gamo rifles cannot consistently hit a walnut as any of the rifles discussed above by other members and myself. And yes, I’m glad that you agree nobody would bring a Gamo to a range, for obvious lack of accuracy reasons.



Also, it is weird here, and you are here too. The people that watch airgun videos are air gunners, obviously. Have fun trying to hit walnut size. I can’t wait to see your grouping on video with your precision Gamo!
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I will not be recording myself shooting a pellet gun at paper targets so you can give me your imaginary stamp of approval. Good lord.
 
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