newbie help Hammers 4

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Hey guys, reading some threads I read some people recommending the hammer 4 as a budget and good optics scope piece, I have a crossman f4 nitro piston break barrel and I wanted to replace the scope that came with the gun (center point)

so I did and got THis Hammers 4-12X40AO for 80$$ it looks good and the clarity is way much better than the center point BUT.... cant zero it, crosshairs needs to go down like 7+ inches and it got not enough clicks, so I started reading the amazon reviews and looks like this is a common issue with this hammers. people are returning these

Do you know how to fix it or is it better to get a different one? which one? 

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It may just be me...but from the angle of your photo,it looks like that rifle is exhibiting some significant barrel droop.

Might want to try some adjustable scope mounts or a UTG droop compensating mount before writing that scope off. Hopefully no damage was incurred by maxing out the elevation turret.

Another option would be to actually bend your barrel. (No... I'm not nuts. There are tutorials on how to accomplish this.)

Hope this helps you.

Mike
 
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It looks the same on my benji np regal, barrel sits proud like that when locked up. I business card shimmed mine, worked well enough. We aren’t talking about fine optics here (no offense intended), as long as you’re not too ham fisted, should be fine. That said, I do have a dovetail to picatinny drooper adapter, just never installed it. 
 
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I removed the Hammer and went back to the original center point and I managed to get this...

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not that bad, so why Hammer is shooting 10"+ down at 20 yd? maybe like Moog recommended "use a lower mount". So I tried the center point mount rings and the hammer... no luck, the hammer diameter is way to big it rest on the barrel instead of the rings.

Now that MScottLeeman and Scotty1 said droop barrel I took a look at it and yes, it looks down, the barrel is not completely straight

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Remember I'm a newbie and I thought it was kind of normal hahahah so when MScottLeeman and Scotty1 said droop barre l did a research but didn't find why or how to fix it, but I did find a possible fix (Not a professional one)

I reinstalled the Hammer and max out the lever screw (don't know if thats the right name) on the back of the hammer mount, cut a couple of aluminum cans strips, folded in half and lined with electrical tape, I place those two shims on the back Hammer mount. it kind of worked.

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I just took the pictures and realized how bad the shims looks haha. I didnt finish zeroing the scope, had to go pick up the wife. 



Hey Scotty1, no offense taken, I just started, I know my equipment isnt the best, by know Im trying to keep secret to my wife that this not so good scope was 80$ plus the rifle, pellets, and now I suppose I should get a dovetail to picatinny, that is to adjust the back of the scope right?
 
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I have a Hammers 3-9x40 that's been on 4 rifles now and so far no issues at least 4 me although I know shooters who've had theirs. Poke around for what you can find on barrel bending. Never done one myself but by the side view of your rifle, that barrel has a downward bend in it.

Definitely NOT the right way but I know a guy who does it the redneck way. Sticks the barrel in the fork of a tree and yanks on it a couple times, takes a few shots, then does it again til he gets it where he wants it. Definitely not a way I'd recommend but search the forum for barrel bending on a springer, very carefully do it and your problem should resolve itself and you wn't need those shims.
 
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The Hammers is a 1 inch tube. Break barrels are not a bad thing but the less expensive ones like the Crosman guns tend to come with issues and exactly why they're so inexpensive..lol. Read through the Gate and you'll see owners with low to medium to high end springers that have all had occasional problems. Granted, they're less common in the more expensive rifles but even those still have them.

PCP's are no different, they just come with different sets of problems. Bad o-rings from the maker, fill problems, magazine issues just to name a few and that's again from the less expensive to the higher end guns. Wander through the PCP gate, you'll see.

It's why forums like this are around so you can join 1 or 2 or 3 and get help and answers to the questions you have from members who've already been there for the ones you're finding just getting started.
 
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SteveP-52 That makes sense, I actually never thought the air guns to be such a huge world, Im watching lots of videos about springer vs pcp, scopes and so on. I have owned that crossman f4 for about a 2months, first month it was doing perfect and now it looks like it have a droopy barrel. I guess this is like the car you give to a teenager to start with, I will learn with it and will try to fix that barrel and adjust that hammer scope until I break something hehe

Thank you for your input
 
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First rifle I ever "tuned" was a Crosman Optimus .177 I got free from a friend because he said it shot lousy. The cheap ones are an easy way to learn tuning and tweaking basics before you step up and get something more expensive. The Optimus? Yeah, a gun will shoot lousy with a spring broken in 4 places...lol. New spring, piston seal, some time and more than a few mistakes in the process, but shot pretty good once I got it back together and done more than a few other brands/models since. Most of the members here have and I freely admit compared to them I'm still an amateur at it but I have fun trying...lol.

It can get very addicting with guns, scopes, rings, pellets, parts, pieces, tools and..and..and the list goes on....lol. While I have a bunch, 26 at last count a 27th on the way in 4 calibers with springers, gas rams, PCP, a vintage Sheridan Silver Streak and a couple CO2 pistols, I'm still an amateur there too since I've come across many that own way more.

There are no stupid questions, just questions you haven't asked yet and safe bet someone here can answer any question you have, just ask :)
 
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LR said:
Hey guys, reading some threads I read some people recommending the hammer 4 as a budget and good optics scope piece, I have a crossman f4 nitro piston break barrel and I wanted to replace the scope that came with the gun (center point)

so I did and got THis Hammers 4-12X40AO for 80$$ it looks good and the clarity is way much better than the center point BUT.... cant zero it, crosshairs needs to go down like 7+ inches and it got not enough clicks, so I started reading the amazon reviews and looks like this is a common issue with this hammers. people are returning these

Do you know how to fix it or is it better to get a different one? which one?

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I had the same problem at first. After watching you tube videos I found that almost every securement screw was very loose. After tightening them I was able to zero it perfectly. Not saying that's your issue but it did fix mine
 
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