Noise Level: .30 Cal vs .22 Cal

I picked up an FX Impact M3 (700mm barrel) in .22 a few weeks ago. My first airgun... and I am enjoying it immensely.

I currently shoot centerfire short-range benchrest (Score) and am contemplating giving 100-yard airgun benchrest a try. .30 Cal is the obvious choice in that discipline, at that distance (although I'm aware that Dusty Powers turned that accepted wisdom on its head when he won last year's RMAC using a .22). With that in mind - and since FX makes changing calibers easy to do without a lot of cost - can I ask what difference, if any, going from .22 to .30 would mean in terms of noise?

One of the really beguiling things I'm finding with regard to airguns is not having to wear hearing protection.
 
The primary factors in airgun noise are indeed FPE output (regardless of caliber) and efficiency (how much air is wasted out of the barrel), caliber plays a small roll but nearly inperceptible compared to the latter two, additionally a 30 cal shooting 100 fpe will certainly have a harder hitting impact than a 25 cal shooting 100 fpe due to more surface area upon impact.

I'd still advise ear protection on SOME airguns, (big bores, short barrels, and those that are unmoderated) They still produce reach decibel levels high enough to cause hearing damage.
 
The Impact has a hammer that’s well enclosed and relatively distal to the shooters ear. For me, that’s the main advantage over the Maverick and wildcat, which can get pretty obnoxious at higher power levels. Many people cite the Taipan Vets as the models for quietness, but in my experience the Impact is quieter, fpe for fpe.
 
use ear protection ! take it from an old guy , never used protection till late in life , now it is hard to hear grand kids .

I'm all about protecting one's hearing - which is why I posed my question here in the first place. I use ear pro religiously when using any firearm (usually doubled-up, with foam ear plugs inside of ear muffs). And I have a 200-pair box of classic, yellow EAR foam plugs in the next room... and use them at the first hint of elevated decibels. Lawnmower, tractor, chainsaw, motorcycle, wet vac... pretty much anything making any kind of noise gets a fresh pair in my ears. Every jacket I own has a pair or two left in a pocket.

But, no, I'll disagree that an FX Impact shooting a .22 pellet out of a 700mm barrel with the stock moderator at ~900 fps makes enough noise to warrant their use. Can't speak to other use cases.

Appreciate the sentiment, though. I, too, am an old guy (70). My hearing is fine - no doubt because some of the stupid things I did as a young man caused me to take note of the issue way back before it was common to give it any thought. I wish I could say the same for my wife.
 
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I'm all about protecting one's hearing - which is why I posed my question here in the first place. I use ear pro religiously when using any firearm (usually doubled-up, with foam ear plugs inside of ear muffs). And I have a 200-pair box of classic, yellow EAR foam plugs in the next room... and use them at the first hint of elevated decibels. Lawnmower, tractor, chainsaw, motorcycle, wet vac... pretty much anything making any kind of noise gets a fresh pair in my ears. Every jacket I own has a pair or two left in a pocket.

But, no, I'll disagree that an FX Impact shooting a .22 pellet out of a 700mm barrel with the stock moderator at ~900 fps makes enough noise to warrant their use. Can't speak to other use cases.

Appreciate the sentiment, though. I, too, am an old guy (70). My hearing is fine - no doubt because some of the stupid things I did as a young man caused me to take note of the issue way back before it was common to give it any thought. I wish I could say the same for my wife.
yes i use ,wood shop , lawn. most everything noisey , -32 db earmuffs are in the car . For use when the need arises . hearing aids now when i get out of bed till i go to sleep . pain in the arse .
 
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Airgun report depends on: FPE/Bore expansion volume

For a given barrel length, a larger caliber has more expansion volume. The larger the expansion volume, the lower the muzzle pressure at a given FPE.

Greater expansion volumes are more air efficient. If you have to think about this, a pistol of a given caliber producing a given FPE is much louder than a rifle in the same caliber, producing the same FPE. The greater report of the pistol represents waste energy that is not transferred to the projectile.

What a PCP moderator has to deal with is muzzle pressure and air volume. Increasing either of these makes the job more difficult. But, higher muzzle pressure produces more shock when the projectile "uncorks" from the muzzle.

Yes; all else being equal; a PCP with a valve that bounces or stays open too long will be harder to quiet down, despite not adding FPE to the projectile.

Talking about valve dwell; a reg setting of 2500 PSI tuned to produce the same FPE as with the same reg set at 1500 PSI, would need to have the valve dwell be shorter at the higher pressure, and longer at the lower pressure. Thus, a given FPE achieved at a lower reg setting will be louder than when using a higher reg pressure. This is because what produces FPE from a given platform is average pressure down the barrel length. The lower the reg pressure, the higher the muzzle pressure when achieving a given FPE, because the valve would have to be open longer.

If your reg is set very low you may have to keep the valve open all the way to the muzzle to reach a given FPE. Then reg pressure, average pressure and muzzle pressure would be almost identical; and the PCP very loud. So, for lower muzzle report at a given FPE, choose a higher reg pressure setting, and short valve dwell.

Larger calibers are harder to quiet down than smaller ones - if you use the same moderator diameter. Think of the muzzle diameter as the diameter of a loudspeaker, if you like.

Consider the sound of a shotgun shooting at 1200 FPE, and compare that to a .223 centerfire shooting at the same FPE. The shotgun has a "big" booming sound, while the rifle has a sharper crack that seems very loud for its FPE. Both are "loud", but the much higher muzzle pressure of the smaller caliber produces higher sound pressure near the muzzle. Thus is more unpleasant and more damaging to your hearing.

Any projectile that is supersonic is going to produce at least 130 dB, regardless of what suppression may be added to end of the barrel. Generally, larger supersonic projectiles are louder. The more they exceed the speed of sound, the louder they tend to be also. As one selling point for airguns is their comparative lack of noise, it is better to keep your projectiles sub-sonic. If you want more FPE, use a heavier projectile. And/or a larger caliber.
 
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Airgun report depends on: FPE/Bore expansion volume

For a given barrel length, a larger caliber has more expansion volume. The larger the expansion volume, the lower the muzzle pressure at a given FPE.

Greater expansion volumes are more air efficient. If you have to think about this, a pistol of a given caliber producing a given FPE is much louder than a rifle in the same caliber, producing the same FPE. The greater report of the pistol represents waste energy that is not transferred to the projectile.

What a PCP moderator has to deal with is muzzle pressure and air volume. Increasing either of these makes the job more difficult. But, higher muzzle pressure produces more shock when the projectile "uncorks" from the muzzle.

Yes; all else being equal; a PVP with a valve that bounces or stays open too long will be harder to quiet down, despite not adding FPE to the projectile.

Talking about valve dwell; a reg setting of 2500 PSI tuned to produce the same FPE as with the same reg set at 1500 PSI, would need to have the valve dwell be shorter at the higher pressure, and longer at the lower pressure. Thus, a given FPE achieved at a lower reg setting will be louder than when using a higher reg pressure. This is because what produces FPE from a given platform is average pressure down the barrel length. The lower the reg pressure, the higher the muzzle pressure when achieving a given FPE, because the valve would have to be open longer.

If your reg is set very low you may have to keep the valve open all the way to the muzzle to reach a given FPE. Then reg pressure, average pressure and muzzle pressure would be almost identical; and the PCP very loud. So, for lower muzzle report at a given FPE, choose a higher reg pressure setting, and short valve dwell.

Larger calibers are harder to quiet down than smaller ones - if you use the same moderator diameter. Think of the muzzle diameter as the diameter of a loudspeaker, if you like.

Consider the sound of a shotgun shooting at 1200 FPE, and compare that to a .223 centerfire shooting at the same FPE. The shotgun has a "big" booming sound, while the rifle has a sharper crack that seems very loud for its FPE. Both are "loud", but the much higher muzzle pressure of the smaller caliber produces higher sound pressure near the muzzle. Thus is more unpleasant and more damaging to your hearing.

Any projectile that is supersonic is going to produce at least 130 dB, regardless of what suppression may be added to end of the barrel. Generally, larger supersonic projectiles are louder. The more they exceed the speed of sound, the louder they tend to be also. As one selling point for airguns is their comparative lack of noise, it is better to keep your projectiles sub-sonic. If you want more FPE, use a heavier projectile. And/or a larger caliber.


This! 😄


Peter,

you have once again done a marvellous job of explaining an intricate system of parts and concepts in clear and practical terms.
And I thank you for it. 😊
Because I was still fuzzy on several of those concepts, and your explanation has confirmed/ disconfirmed my ideas and they are clear in my mind.
➔ With your permission I'd like to cite your post as one of the sources of my new edition of the Silencer Specs Table that will include a section of How to shush your shooting.


Your contributions to this forum are excellent. 👍🏼

Matthias
 
As stated above .. so subjective to tune, valve type etc ...
I personally have a 90fpe .30 that is so quiet it does not need an LDC, just mild a Th whop sound at muzzle. Add an LDC it is just silly quiet.

Scott, 😊

that's awesome! And you are, for tuning and modding it that way.
👍🏼

Funny, that I had just started thinking these weeks about a new gun.... (I know, the part of the rabbit hole I'm currently in has been treated recently with a couple of 30oz cans of WD40).

➔ How I could have a .30cal gun that doesn't need another 5" of silencer to be relatively quiet — since I want a short gun?


Please, do tell us what you'd recommend in order to keep a .30cal relatively quiet.

I'm looking at 45 grain pellets and slugs with 70 to 80FPE (850 to 900fps MV).
And I'd love to shoot them from a 500mm (20") barrel (bullpup).

Thanks for any advice!

Matthias
 
Thanks Matthias,

I try to be concise, then usually end up with twice a reasonable word count.

You may quote anything posted on a public forum without permission. My thoughts included. Some people are sticky about attribution. I am not.

If you quote a person by name and want to cut out irrelevant text, be careful not to change the original meaning, or context. Else, I think that editing out superfluous text makes the re-post stronger.
 
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Matthias,
The R&D, valve tech from conventional valve to Cobra captive pressure air springs and threw much R&D with JSAR architecture balanced valves has lead too many a configuration that can yield very elevated power levels yet have controlled if not better than typical limited dwell.
It is pretty much acknowledged longer dwell cycles are a BIG issue with post shot cycle noise. Ports sizing, hammer weights & if poppet is under hammer tension preload or sees a free flight hammer strike along with barrel length are all in play.
Those of us who play with and experiment with PCP firing systems generally can configure a relatively high power configuration with great efficiency.
SAD PART is that such states of tune lack broad adjustablity maintaining the attribute & as such we don't see many off the shelf AG's being able to achieve equal states of tune without really seeking to do so. Found ... again in a very narrow performance window.
 
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Idk, people who relate mouse farts to pcps must have some really giant mice who fart incredibly loud, or terrible hearing.

Pcp's are loud unless severely detuned. I don't think there is a secret recipe else it would be marketable as the MOST backyard friendly airgun, no matter what you do, it's going to sound like a nail gun / actuation of a pneumatic device releasing copious amounts of air in a short manner.

I'd love to see a 30 cal in person that doesn't need a moderator at its nominal power level (meaning not using barrel as a means of supression and under powering)
 
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It would be useful to see some comparative videos of different "quiet" airguns being fired, where the sound level is fixed, and with the mic is at the same distance and direction, but far enough away to ensure there is no clipping. Also, far enough away from the trap, so that impact noise does not dominate.

Or something like this - and yes, the distance from the meter matters a great deal. Sound quality matters. A sharp crack is more disturbing than a muffled whump with the same peak sound readings.



 
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