Not a good experience with Airguns of Arizona used guns. Their rating system is 👎

[Sqwirl57]

This is the stock description AoA uses for a "Very Good (VG) 90%" rating. Is this what you saw when you ordered the rifle. I have bought three rifles pre-owned from AoA and have been 100% satisfied with them FWIW.

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Yup I read it and that isn't what I got. That 90% is meant to give you an idea of what level of wear the gun has. "Some wear in the bluing" shouldn't mean where there is actually some bluing remaining which was roughly 25% of the gun. Throw in pitting and rust and a rating of "Very Good" is laughable.

Look at the pictures man. You can't tell me that gun should have been advertised the way it was.

 

[orangeokie]

Not trying to start an argument with you shipmate and respect your opinion and would probably feel like you do if I was in your shoes. Nevertheless, compare what your definition of "Very Good (VG) 90%" is with what AoA writes in their definition.

You: "I have never once received a gun in "90% condition" that didn't look basically new with a few marks here and there which is what 90% means. It looks 90% of brand new."

AoA: "Item shows signs of use, may have scratches under stock or wear in the bluing. All parts are intact unless otherwise stated, and are in complete working order. - 90%"

I'm sure you spoke to the Sales manager Rich, who always makes it right with the customer which has been my experience with them. This thread just seems particularly harsh toward AoA based on semantics, IMO. Bottom line . . . there was no harm and no foul.

 

[orangeokie]

BTW, for anyone interested, here is the stock rating for a 95% gun from AoA which is the ratings for all of the pre-owned guns I have bought from AoA:

 

[Sqwirl57]

BTW, for anyone interested, here is the stock rating for a 95% gun from AoA which is the ratings for all of the pre-owned guns I have bought from AoA:

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So to you the acceptable difference between Excellent 95% and Very Good 90% is going from like new to heavily used with all the bluing gone and having rust and pitting? There is no inbetween? Come on dude.

Keep an eye out for what they relist this gun as. I'd bet my bottom dollar it gets relisted at 70%. When that happens I want you to come back to this post and re-read it. Its been pretty darn reasonable.

 

[orangeokie]

All I am saying is that their rating system is different from yours, and they made it right, so why trash them? It is just a difference in semantics.

Here is their rating system FWIW:

 

[Northwoods22]

Used to do appraisals on a professional basis, that Walther is 70%, Fair. And that's a generous 70% Fair. I bought a Very Good 90% Diana 75 from a local fellow a few years back. This is what Very Good 90% should look like-

 

[Sqwirl57]

All I am saying is that their rating system is different from yours, and they made it right, so why trash them? It is just a difference in semantics.

Here is their rating system FWIW:

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Bud you're missing the point. You're blinded by fan boying something you like. I wasn't trashing AoA. As a matter of fact I complimented them as a company several times! I'm attacking their rating system because it is flawed. It's ok to point out issues that need to be fixed.

Yes the guns will have scratches and issues. Those issues are substantially different though at 90% than they are at 70%.

 

[Northwoods22]

I wrote this up last night and didn't submit it because AoA really did do right by me in the end. I woke up still ticked off because I really do feel lied to like they got my hopes up for no reason. Had they been honest in their assessment of this gun this could have been avoided because I would have known what to expect.

I buy guns all the time through the classifieds here and elsewhere. Not once have I opened a box sent by a complete stranger and felt a wave of disappointment like I felt yesterday. These people are supposed to be professionals and "we thought this gun was in very good condition" is just amature hour.

Anyway, long winded rant over.

I think you did the right thing in making your post, and in sending the Walther back. AoA dropped the ball on this one but I'm glad to hear they did right in the end. Had it been me, I probably would have kept it and taken the discount, but that's only because I have the ability and equipment to do a proper re-finish myself, and I love doing restoration work. Otherwise I couldn't stand having such a nice rifle in such a marginal condition.

 

[PumaCarl]

I don't think that he trashed AoA at all. Their opinion, to me, was wrong by their own standards, and they obviously on review agreed because they made everything right in the end. I would have said that the item had substantial signs of use, and given it a "good," but that's just my opinion too. Informing other people who might buy it is always good.

 

[SilentSquirrel]

Thanks for a nicely written, well rounded, review @Sqwirlfugger57 .

 

[maxtrouble]

@Sqwirlfugger57 - I agree, that is definitely not a 90% rifle. 70% is being generous.

That rifle is a great example as to why you wipe down a weapon with an oil soaked cloth when finished. Takes 30 seconds and the next owner will appreciate it.

I recommend a heavy felt cloth with a decent amount of 10W-30 synthetic motor oil and keep it in a heavy plastic bag in my range bag. Has a really nice smell to it now. Would make a great cologne.

 

[JDR]

I think the rusting and pitting should have been stated in the description. Do not expect that on a high end used air gun. I would assume a high end previous owner and high end care.

 

[Richely]

I have replied once already and beating a dead horse notwithstanding, here goes again. AoA lists used items with single low-res photo and generic description of condition. No arguments with how they chose to sell even if I would prefer better, their choice. Disappointed this rifle seemingly did not conform to their own rating standards, noting that for future reference.

However, no way I would click Add to Cart there or anywhere else without asking about and verifying condition and seeing detailed photos. Some do and make out well, good for them. And yes I have bought used, airguns and lots else. I have also learned along the way to assume nothing and, regardless of seller, to require the seller to be my eyes and provide credible detailed information about the item before I commit to buy. Then again, I also don’t buy lottery tickets.

 

[Pale_Rider]

You weren’t the only one. I bought a Diana 65 that was in “90%” condition. Like you I was eagerly expecting this rifle. Imagining what it would look like and shoot like. Only to be heavily disappointed when it arrived. The receiver had a lot of pitting and the barrel sleeve bluing was almost non existent.

We all know how good their customer service is and their promptness with issuing refunds and shipping labels. However, the excuse of “that’s how we rate our older guns” is lame as hell. I’m not holding the whole company accountable for that rating system but they need to change that and show better pics.

I really hate having to send this rifle back. Holy crap these giss rifles are a dream to shoot. I sure wish they offered me a discount like you I might’ve taken them up on the offer. Mine doesn’t look as bad as yours.

 

[SteveV]

Well it's OBVIOUS who the AoA fanboys are.

How anyone could defend AoA in their "90%" condition is beyond me -my eyes don't lie!

 

[JDR]

Still like AOA and will buy my next gun from me. I guess if they give you your money back,not that bad of a hassle. I have been snookered twice on used pumpers with the advertisement of holding air and shooting hard. When I buy my next pumper, going to include the cost of a reseal with the purchase price when deciding to buy it no matter what the seller says.

 

[Sqwirl57]

You weren’t the only one. I bought a Diana 65 that was in “90%” condition. Like you I was eagerly expecting this rifle. Imagining what it would look like and shoot like. Only to be heavily disappointed when it arrived. The receiver had a lot of pitting and the barrel sleeve bluing was almost non existent. View attachment 373934
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We all know how good their customer service is and their promptness with issuing refunds and shipping labels. However, the excuse of “that’s how we rate our older guns” is lame as hell. I’m not holding the whole company accountable for that rating system but they need to change that and show better pics.

I really hate having to send this rifle back. Holy crap these giss rifles are a dream to shoot. I sure wish they offered me a discount like you I might’ve taken them up on the offer. Mine doesn’t look as bad as yours.

Oh dude I'm sorry. I can only imagine what you were hoping for. Those rifles are insanely difficult to come by in very good condition.

I am glad you spoke up here though. I was starting to think I was alone and just got really unlucky.

 

[Jaxjax]

I buy used from AoA when I can & what I do is have them go get it while I'm on the phone with em. They answer my questions while looking at it live on the phone. They also know I am very picky on certain things & have never had this happen yet... AoA makes sh.. right though & thats what really counts. VG is going to be well worn. You can always buy my over priced but not LGR listed & be forever happy

 

[Pale_Rider]

Oh dude I'm sorry. I can only imagine what you were hoping for. Those rifles are insanely difficult to come by in very good condition.

I am glad you spoke up here though. I was starting to think I was alone and just got really unlucky.

Yea man I rarely see these pop up over here. One positive that came from this is opening up my eyes to how sweet those classic springers are. I will be looking out for another one.

 

[mercado]

Maybe why they dont use actual picture and use the new gun sales page picture.. ( i get suspect from that to start) and cant click on or expand pics there either..

its hard enough to get what you think you paid for in new stuff .

Anymore on used if i cant see and handle it first i tend not to buy it.

At least you did get recorse from aoa but could of been a take it on the jaw from someone else . He got you money and you got there junk.. / too bad ,sooo sad

And they refuse to send you actual pictures..I have asked my self..at least the guy ho made my order said..NOP..