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Was looking at AGN and noticed this position where off hand was being discussed. Unless I’m reading the AAFTA rules incorrectly it appears to be allowable in forced position lanes? Maybe it’s not used because it’s not stable? I’ve only shot FT a few times so I’m not knowledgeable about this. 
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It’s Mike. I gotcha. Just questioning the rules that allow other odd positions. I could ask standing with your knees locked? How far can you bend your knees and still be standing? Sounds silly doesn’t it? But we have guys that will question the rules and try any way possible to get an advantage... just trying to get ahead of that. I can’t even get into that position. ;)
 
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Interesting subject, I can't offer any input on legality in FT. I did go out and tried both positions, truely standing and squatting and found that my stability was a bit better in the standing position. I found that the instability in the squat position was due to "rocking" in the feet. FWIW. Could be too that I have not practiced the "turd drop" oh, I mean squat position enough. Sorry, just had to "drop" that in...😆 
 
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It’s Mike. I gotcha. Just questioning the rules that allow other odd positions. I could ask standing with your knees locked? How far can you bend your knees and still be standing? Sounds silly doesn’t it? But we have guys that will question the rules and try any way possible to get an advantage... just trying to get ahead of that. I can’t even get into that position. ;)
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MIKE I'm so sorry (I know you are Mike) brainfart, excuse me, I was just dealing with Steve.

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Steve

It’s Mike. I gotcha. Just questioning the rules that allow other odd positions. I could ask standing with your knees locked? How far can you bend your knees and still be standing? Sounds silly doesn’t it? But we have guys that will question the rules and try any way possible to get an advantage... just trying to get ahead of that. I can’t even get into that position. ;)
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Steve😂😂😂 I meant Mike, for standing you want your legs to be straight and locked and you don't want to use your legs muscle to support whole body.

If your knees are band 90* and anything below I will call it seating and anything above you could call it standing, but trust me you want your legs to be straight to support your buddy by bone not muscle.

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If you can get into that position with both heels flat (not what the soldier in the picture is doing) and you have a long heavy gun, it can be a stable position. I think I peaked recently because I did this last summer with my big bottle Gauntlet but I don't think I want to try it anymore. I was shooting 2" spinners at 90 and I hit the first shot. I only tried it because I saw 68Whiskey doing it.
 
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Offhand (standing) is a designated position in field target, so if you are at a designated lane that indicates standing is required, that's what you are supposed to do. Even if you are not violating any support rules, I think they want you to stand, not squat. Same thing with kneeling. All other non-designated lanes are considered "free position" lanes and you are free to shoot in any position that does not violate any support rules, even "odd positions".
 
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Exactly... I totally agree. It’s no different really than the nine non offhand lanes at EFT. I think that’s why the majority of us didn’t understand all the discussions about “odd positions”. Similar to “off hand is standing” we had designated “bucket and sticks” and that's what you were supposed to do. Even if you were not violating any support rules with something else...
 
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Exactly... I totally agree. It’s no different really than the nine non offhand lanes at EFT. I think that’s why the majority of us didn’t understand all the discussions about “odd positions”. Similar to “off hand is standing” we had designated “bucket and sticks” and that's what you were supposed to do. Even if you were not violating any support rules with something else...
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Having all lanes as designated lanes is what is different about EFT. FT was conceived as a free position game. As opposed to a positional shooting match. The few designated lanes (standing and kneeling) were added to FT later for reasons I won't go into now.

in traditional FT (maybe not EFT), you can shoot from that squatting position in all free position lanes (most lanes).
 
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As Scotchmo touched on lightly, the HAVING ALL LANES DESIGNATED is what was being discussed. And I STILL DON'T SEE the animosity towards creative positions when the OVERWHELMING difficulty is estimating the wind. AND, I still don't understand why you 3 can't see it..... but..... that's just me. 

Changes nothing in regard to my own attendance or enjoyment of the game.

See you guys on Saturday.

Bob
 
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.... I started the topic to see how people would feel about getting “creative” with the off hand position, since the position in the photo is within the AAFTA rules for support...
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The free position lanes are where you can get creative. Standing, sitting, kneeling, prone, squatting, creedmoor, etc. They are all legal as long as you follow the support rules.

The only time you can't do that in FT is when you encounter a sign that designates standing or kneeling. There are usually a couple of those designated lanes in a FT match.

I think way back, they were all free position, and you would use any position that best allowed you to make the shot. After they standardized the target placement/visibility, proficiency at multiple positions was no longer needed, so they added some designated lanes to prove that you still know how to shoot standing or kneeling.




 
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This position is called "rice paddy prone" in some circles. I have not found it to be very stable the times I have tried it. My lower legs aren't flexible enough to be able to relax and balance in this position so I wouldn't use it without a lot of work-maybe never. Like FunGun, I am definitely more stable standing than shooting like this.

I have not shot Field Target, but I have worked at shooting standing for quite a while. Forgive me if I am misreading this, but it appears some folks are using "offhand" and "standing" interchangeably. There are shooters who distinguish between these two terms, where offhand refers to facing the target square on, leaning into the rifle, and having one's support hand out on the forend, and standing refers to having one's body erect and leaning back to a degree to offset the weight of the rifle, feet at a 90 degree angle to the target and body twisted from the waist up toward the target, support arm tight against the side of the body, and rifle resting on the support hand or fist close to the trigger guard-like 10 meter air rifle in the Olympics.
 
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