Only a matter of time before they use PCPs in the military…
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Yes.Exactly, could you imagine mounting your bayonet to an air rifle and using it on someone in battle?Semper Fi!
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Not practical for the military. Refilling the air tank during combat is too problematic. Air rifles are excellent for civilian use but the modern battlefields are another story. Been there, done that.With the introduction of these new rifles such as the Skout Epoch rifles, the FX Panthera, and the Impact M3…I think it’s only a matter of time before they are adopted by the military for training or actual military application (they might already be in use…I recall the Impact was being used as a training tool for snipers under the Black Hawk Down instructor). Then there will be regulation…then I cry. I wish we could just be stuck in limbo where we are at now…but I don’t think it’s going to happen since it’s human nature to want more and more and better toys. People are hitting 4 inch targets at 250 yards with a little .22 slug. Imagine 10 years from now…
What do you all think?
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Actually, Napoleon didn't do it. The Austrian military used them against the French/Napoleon during that conflict. Napoleon thought the air rifles were so dangerous that he ordered anyone caught with one was to be executed.Napoleon did it many, many years ago…
Napoleonic weaponry and warfare - Wikipedia
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The Austrian Army introduced the Girardoni M1780 repeating air rifle as a specialist weapon and used them in the Napoleonic Wars. A multi-shot breech loader, it only had an effective full charge range to about 150 yd (140 m). It was nearly silent and made no smoke or noise, but was complex and needed a significant infrastructure to support it. The air rifle fell out of use after 1815 as more conventional types of weapons proved superior overall, in only a few more decades, all soldiers would be gunpowder rifle equipped.
I just learned about PCP's a few years ago and have done a lot of reading about them. Love these things.
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They were used when the best military rifles were black powder muzzleloaders. Other than training (basic rifle marksmanship maybe?), there is no realistic place for them on the modern battlefield.
Maybe the Space Force can use them in orbit?
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Could I ask, what are the mayor shortcomings of airguns in terms of self defense? And what is wrong with airguns that shoot rubber balls?
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It seems this si a common posting for about a 20% vocal minority.
Not everyone lives in their basement hiding with mask on shooting BB targets. I need powerful air rifles for hunting and pesting in areas that I have determined suit an air rifle better than a PB. This seems to come up regularly as if people think air guns are below the radar like some sort of stealth bomber or submarine. Just no. And besides, I know Lewis and Clark used an air rifle and the Austrians and other Euro-powers have used air rifles for military purposes already.
With the introduction of these new rifles such as the Skout Epoch rifles, the FX Panthera, and the Impact M3…I think it’s only a matter of time before they are adopted by the military for training or actual military application (they might already be in use…I recall the Impact was being used as a training tool for snipers under the Black Hawk Down instructor). Then there will be regulation…then I cry
What do you all think?
Not everyone lives in their basement hiding with mask on shooting BB targets. I need powerful air rifles for hunting and pesting in areas that I have determined suit an air rifle better than a PB. This seems to come up regularly as if people think air guns are below the radar like some sort of stealth bomber or submarine. Just no. And besides, I know Lewis and Clark used an air rifle and the Austrians and other Euro-powers have used air rifles for military purposes already.
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Hoping a comment explaining why NOT to use it for these purposes will be allowed.
Reliability- In a situation where you’re facing severe bodily injury or death you don’t want the thing that’s substantially more complex to be what you’re relying on. Likewise they can leak so readiness isn’t assured.
Durability- most pbs can get thrown around and still function, I don’t think any of us would feel comfortable dropping a pcp to the pavement.
Power- for the same size you’ll always be able to extract more power from a pb, this is just inherent to physics.
Escalation without sufficient stopping power- the drawing of a PCP may result in the attacker escalating themselves with a pb.
Better tools exist- People think of pepper spray as a feminine thing. Best tool out there in my opinion, legal ramifications for use are far less than something firing a metal projectile and boy does it work. Also don’t need to worry as much about where a shot could go if it misses its target.
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The US Navy already has PCP‘s in use:
Pnuematic air pressure is used to launch a missile from a submerged submarine before the engine is ignited…
Pnuematic air pressure is used to launch a missile from a submerged submarine before the engine is ignited…
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I think the military where Borat is from uses PCP rifles. 
If we go back to the early 1800's do remember that Lewis and Clark was a military expedition. The Giardoni was Clark's rifle that he chose to bring with. Keeping their powder dry was priority one for L+C. Where they did find the air rifle very useful was demonstrating the white man's magic to the native tribes they encountered. We will see Gauss rifles or star trek like phasers before we see air rifles in the military. High power electronics trumps high pressure air.
If we go back to the early 1800's do remember that Lewis and Clark was a military expedition. The Giardoni was Clark's rifle that he chose to bring with. Keeping their powder dry was priority one for L+C. Where they did find the air rifle very useful was demonstrating the white man's magic to the native tribes they encountered. We will see Gauss rifles or star trek like phasers before we see air rifles in the military. High power electronics trumps high pressure air.Upvote 0
So if you are facing severe bodily injury or death, what would be a good thing to do? pepper spray?
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Well in most parts of the good ole U S of A, we express our 2nd amendment right. Castle doctrine is a thing of beauty.
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But what in a country like the Netherlands, where firearms are heavily restricted. In principle all firearms are forbidden. Certain groups can acquire one, but it is not easy. Sport shooters who have a gun license need to store their firearms in a safe, with a separate compartment for the ammunition. Using your firearm for self defense, even if it is legally justified, will lead to your license being revoked. How can one defend oneselve against bodily injury/death in a country like the Netherlands. Also pepperspray, blank guns and tasers are forbidden and considered as an illegal weapon.(unlike our eastern neighbour Germany). many knives are also forbidden to own. The only weapons that you are legally allowed to own, you cant carry on the street, if caught they will be confiscated.
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Pepper spray is illegal in the Netherlands. Many dutch people go to Germany to buy pepperspray, but it is still illegal. If caught the pepperspray is confiscated, you get a penalty which is also put on your criminal record.
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The military using PCP's? I could choose to keep my PCP rifle next to the bed rather than the 12 gauge, why would I do that?
I could pack my Beeman 2028..... in a chest rig. The G19 IWB is my choice or an LCP in a pocket holster.
The only ones using PCP's in the above manner are prohibited persons, the rest of us to include our armed forces have far better choices.
I could pack my Beeman 2028..... in a chest rig. The G19 IWB is my choice or an LCP in a pocket holster.
The only ones using PCP's in the above manner are prohibited persons, the rest of us to include our armed forces have far better choices.
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Learn to fight? Get good with a sword? Move?
If guns are outlawed there, then why worry since obviously the criminals/assailant will be unarmed.... right? They follow laws just like our criminals. Lol.
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But pepperspray is also not a lethal weapon. It is also not a wonder weapon.Not sure what to say there. People need to figure a way to elect actual freedom I guess.
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