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I currently have 2 HW 30's, an HW35 and a HW97. I am very happy with them all but am shopping for another rifle and would like to try something different. I only shoot targets and plink out to 25 yards and do not hunt, pest or compete. So, I have no need for power, just accuracy and the enjoyment of a well designed and built rifle. I have no desire for a pcp. I have 2 questions:

1. Are CO2, pump up, and pneumatic capable of the same accuracy as my HW's?

2. What are other brand names that are the equal of the HW rifles in terms of quality?
 
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If you can find used examples of the Walther LGV and LGU, it may scratch your itch. On the more expensive side the Air Arms TX200 and ProSport are also beautiful and accurate rifles.

Lastly, you may enjoy the Dianas, but they tend to be power houses. The Models 48 or the Air King (which is semi-recoilless), are well built and accurate.

If you want to go off the beaten path you can get a used single stroke 10 meter target gun from FWB, Walther or Anschutz, but they are hard to find.

-Marty
 
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sjs said:
I currently have 2 HW 30's, an HW35 and a HW97. I am very happy with them all but am shopping for another rifle and would like to try something different. I only shoot targets and plink out to 25 yards and do not hunt, pest or compete. So, I have no need for power, just accuracy and the enjoyment of a well designed and built rifle. I have no desire for a pcp. I have 2 questions:

1. Are CO2, pump up, and pneumatic capable of the same accuracy as my HW's?

2. What are other brand names that are the equal of the HW rifles in terms of quality?
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single stroke pneumatics FWB 600 /2/3 or 300 Very accurate , this Target shot at 16 to 20 yards didn't really measure .

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If you are looking for accuracy over power and are not interested in a PCP, then I'll cast another vote for the FWB 600 series SSP guns. They virtually dominated 10 meter competitions until the PCP became available. Good parts availability and great ergonomics too!
Next in line would be the FWB 300s. Also unbelievably accurate. Probably the lightest cocking effort of any of the guns mentioned here as well which will keep you shooting till you are 100!
 
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Thanks guys.

The FWB/Walther class is a bit out of my league, and I am more looking at a sporter type rifle than a full-on target rifle. On this next one I would like to spend around $400.

I thought I might try a gas piston rifle since I have had a pcp, a co2 and springer but never a gas piston rifle. Looking at them it seems the rifles that might be more than just lower grade plinkers are all more powerful than I had in mind. Seemed that folks are willing to pay more for power but not for a bit more accuracy at lower power. I am still learning this stuff, but I am guessing lower power might make for more accuracy, lower noise, and will be more easily contained in my back yard.

The Norinco Hawk looked like it is no more powerful or loud than my HW97, but I didn't see much info on their quality. At $300 I don't expect Weihrauch quality, but do any of you know anything about it?

I tried to venture out into the pistol world with a V10, which I enjoyed a great deal, until it broke within the first 24 hours I had it. I may just take another look at one of the HW series that I do not have already.
 
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None of the new Spanish, American/Chinese stuff will come close to HW quality in springer or gas ram form in terms of accuracy. There are a few folks that have tuned Hatsan rifles to shoot well, but the QC is hit or miss, so that’s a gamble. How about a pumper, like the Benjamin 397S or the Crosman 1322? They shoot well with the right pellet and are customizable to an extent.

-Marty
 
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From what you're saying I'm thinking a hw80 (gas ram)

https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-362 Is also another good budget upgradeable rifle. While it may be reliable for a long time, it wont have the same quality of finish, use of, or machining of materials as a HW. I think of the 362 as a larger 1322. As @MartyMcFly mentioned, the 1322 is very upgadable, and can be refined pretty highly.


One of my 1322's here... as set up, it is extremely robust, accurate, and reliable. Very reminiscent of a HW in those respects. But it's also had a lot of work (done by me) and money put into it.

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If you enjoyed the pistol you might take a look at HW45/Beeman P1. Would have to be used to be in your price range but there are lots of good used ones out there. There was a gorgeous one in Classifieds not long ago. They’re challenging to shoot accurately but great fun to try and master.

The Crosman pistols are a lot of fun, both pumpers like 13xx and CO2 like 22xx. Can be converted to rifles with a $30 carbine stock. You can switch back and forth in 2 minutes. They’re very accurate. CO2 doesn’t like temperature extremes so factor that in. The Crosman 2300S is also in your price range. Dead nutz accurate with the L Walther barrel it comes with. All of the Crosman guns have infinite customization options. As mentioned above they don’t have the fit/finish/material quality of what you own now. But they’re great little guns.
 
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Thanks guys.

The FWB/Walther class is a bit out of my league, and I am more looking at a sporter type rifle than a full-on target rifle. On this next one I would like to spend around $400.

I thought I might try a gas piston rifle since I have had a pcp, a co2 and springer but never a gas piston rifle. Looking at them it seems the rifles that might be more than just lower grade plinkers are all more powerful than I had in mind. Seemed that folks are willing to pay more for power but not for a bit more accuracy at lower power. I am still learning this stuff, but I am guessing lower power might make for more accuracy, lower noise, and will be more easily contained in my back yard.

The Norinco Hawk looked like it is no more powerful or loud than my HW97, but I didn't see much info on their quality. At $300 I don't expect Weihrauch quality, but do any of you know anything about it?

I tried to venture out into the pistol world with a V10, which I enjoyed a great deal, until it broke within the first 24 hours I had it. I may just take another look at one of the HW series that I do not have already.
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higher power is a advertising selling point , (" WOW 1100 FPS " ) and they use a 5 grain pellet to get that . You can use a 10,5 pellet and it will slow to say 800 FPS .
 
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For a co2, you may look at the Diana chaser. Get it in the rifle combo version. Very quiet to shoot, decent accuracy, and fairly cheap. The trade off is the quality won’t compare to the HW, but they are simple and fun to shoot. It would be a change from the HW springers, which is what you are asking for.

Also look at the Daisy 853 from the CMP. It’s a single stroke pneumatic, accuracy is good, and simple to shoot.
 
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Forget a P1/Hw45. Terrible choice. The guns are notoriously hard to shoot accurately. I have a 20 cal one. I converted to 177 because it was to expensive to waste that many 20 cal pellets. It is the most hold sensitive gun I own. It requires the utmost concentration to shoot reasonably well. I'll get a few good shots and if I shift my grip or even thoughts and I'm back to all over the place. It's a Bear to shoot.

A better choice in a similar gun in SSP is the Hw75 which is much easier to shoot accurately.
 
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Well, that’s the other opinion. There are a lot of people, myself included, that feel otherwise. Except about it being difficult to shoot. That’s a given and part of the charm for those who want to try. If I wanted easy I’d go buy a Daystate computer I mean electronic PCP air rifle.
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It's a pretty universal opinion that a P1/Hw45 is difficult to shoot accurately. Do you own one? Never met someone that owned one that wouldn't verify my opinion.

All my airguns are springers so I'm always up for a challenge, but my P1 is as I described a bear to shoot accurately. If you drop the power they improve some but they'll always require the utmost concentration to consistently shoot well. Say under an inch at 7 yards. Sure I'll get better than that occasionally but most of the targets on the page are closer to two inches. It's just a frustrating pistol if you want even reasonable consistency.

Don't get me wrong I like mine. it's a well made gun with an excellent trigger. I'm not selling mine anytime soon. They're great fun for plinking cans with. That's the kind of accuracy they're good for. With the OPs emphasis on accuracy a P1/Hw45 is a terrible choice compared to most SSP pistols that cost half as much and group half the size. If there's a a P1/Hw45 owner here that has shot a page of consistent groups with theirs, Please chime in and prove me wrong. I'd love to learn what you are doing to achieve it.
 
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It's a pretty universal opinion that a P1/Hw45 is difficult to shoot accurately. Do you own one? Never met someone that owned one that wouldn't verify my opinion.

All my airguns are springers so I'm always up for a challenge, but my P1 is as I described a bear to shoot accurately. If you drop the power they improve some but they'll always require the utmost concentration to consistently shoot well. Say under an inch at 7 yards. Sure I'll get better than that occasionally but most of the targets on the page are closer to two inches. It's just a frustrating pistol if you want even reasonable consistency.

Don't get me wrong I like mine. it's a well made gun with an excellent trigger. I'm not selling mine anytime soon. They're great fun for plinking cans with. That's the kind of accuracy they're good for. With the OPs emphasis on accuracy a P1/Hw45 is a terrible choice compared to most SSP pistols that cost half as much and group half the size. If there's a a P1/Hw45 owner here that has shot a page of consistent groups with theirs, Please chime in and prove me wrong. I'd love to learn what you are doing to achieve it.
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Ron, maybe another cup of coffee? As mentioned in my original post, AND in my response to yours, THEY ARE DIFFICULT TO SHOOT! Hopefully the bold type helps. I don’t expect or try to get the pinpoint accuracy from it that I get from my 2300S. I enjoy it for what it is, which is a powerful, recoiling spring pistol that’s a helluva lot of fun to plink with. It’s the first pistol I take out for that. Cans annd reactive targets are a blast with it. And since the OP said that’s what he does, and mentioned how much he liked the pistol he had, I brought it up. Even AirNGasman has come back into the fold and he has the best quote I’ve ever seen about how hard they are to shoot.
 
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1) Absolutely.

2) Here's (at least) a partial list of other brand names that are the equal of the HW rifles in terms of quality in my opinion, based on my 68 years of airgunning experience, and as taken from my ever-growing testing notes since my third airgun book, Airgun Chronicles- Thirty Years Of Airgun Testing And Competition. In some cases the quality depends on vintage of manufacture, and in other cases it depends on specific model(s) from a(ny) given manufacturer. Air Arms, Airgun Technology, Anschutz, Benjamin, Brocock, Brno, BSA, Crosman, Daystate, Diana, Erma, Eun Jin, Falcon, FX, Fienwerkbau, Galway, Hämmerli, Heirenkan, Kalibrgun, Logun, RAW, RWS, Sam Yang, Sharp, Sheridan, Shin Sung, Smith & Wesson, Tau, Theoben, Titan, Walther and Webley.

No, I did not overlook Beeman. To my knowledge Beeman never manufactured airguns.
 
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Ron, maybe another cup of coffee? As mentioned in my original post, AND in my response to yours, THEY ARE DIFFICULT TO SHOOT! Hopefully the bold type helps. I don’t expect or try to get the pinpoint accuracy from it that I get from my 2300S. I enjoy it for what it is, which is a powerful, recoiling spring pistol that’s a helluva lot of fun to plink with. It’s the first pistol I take out for that. Cans annd reactive targets are a blast with it. And since the OP said that’s what he does, and mentioned how much he liked the pistol he had, I brought it up. Even AirNGasman has come back into the fold and he has the best quote I’ve ever seen about how hard they are to shoot.
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I've said a lot of disparaging things about P-1s (specifically), and a lot MORE disparaging things about spring-piston pistols (generally), CJ. That said, I'm wondering which specific quote you're referencing.:unsure:

BTW and FWIW, I have also said a few nice things about P-1s; none of which compliment their firing behavior.😂 They are very nice quality.

Although not a P-1, like the P-1 this Silver Star is a variant of the HW 45.

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But the Silver Star isn't fugly. :ROFLMAO:



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