pcp open sight pistol

[bandg]

Steve,

Interesting , the reason for this purchase is to practice my pistol skills as the cost of real ammo is crazy at the moment. 

I do need something that is accurate enough that if I miss I know it's me distance of the shot and pest control doesn't matter to me.

If I have to shoot short distance for basic sight alignment and Trigger control I would just shoot at a very small Target.

Several of the pistols mentioned should provide the needed practice. Power levels available would not be an issue for such. The only one I personally own at that price level is the pp700 and it is quite powerful for it's size and more than flat shooting enough for good "pistol practice".

 

[Baldone]

Steve,

Interesting , the reason for this purchase is to practice my pistol skills as the cost of real ammo is crazy at the moment. 

I do need something that is accurate enough that if I miss I know it's me distance of the shot and pest control doesn't matter to me.

If I have to shoot short distance for basic sight alignment and Trigger control I would just shoot at a very small Target.

Several of the pistols mentioned should provide the needed practice. Power levels available would not be an issue for such. The only one I personally own at that price level is the pp700 and it is quite powerful for it's size and more than flat shooting enough for good "pistol practice".

Looking can't find pp700 in stock.

Have you found good seals for it?

 

[bandg]

Steve,

Interesting , the reason for this purchase is to practice my pistol skills as the cost of real ammo is crazy at the moment. 

I do need something that is accurate enough that if I miss I know it's me distance of the shot and pest control doesn't matter to me.

If I have to shoot short distance for basic sight alignment and Trigger control I would just shoot at a very small Target.

Several of the pistols mentioned should provide the needed practice. Power levels available would not be an issue for such. The only one I personally own at that price level is the pp700 and it is quite powerful for it's size and more than flat shooting enough for good "pistol practice".

Looking can't find pp700 in stock.

Have you found good seals for it?

Mine has been reliable for over 2 years now and I haven't needed to repair anything. I've made quite a few changes to mine but they were to improve performance, not for needed repairs so I'm not the best picture for stock reliability. But I've heard of very few people having specific problems with that particular pistol. Anything you might need should be available.

 

[steve-l]

Baldone,

The closest PB that feels like the PP700SA is the Thompson contender. I did not think that the use of a Reflex sight would allow the same value of practice that iron sights do, but I was wrong. You may also note that most PCP pistol shooters mount stocks and scopes. My personal belief this is done is because they cannot shoot a pistol accurately. Pistols are difficult to shoot off hand accurately, so many folks buy band-aids. At least in my case, the increase in accuracy I have gained in practice with my PP700SA has absolutely carried over to my skill with PB pistols, even with the reflex sight. If you find a valid practice solution with iron sights, post it here. I have failed.

 

[bandg]

Baldone,

The closest PB that feels like the PP700SA is the Thompson contender. I did not think that the use of a Reflex sight would allow the same value of practice that iron sights do, but I was wrong. You may also note that most PCP pistol shooters mount stocks and scopes. My personal belief this is done is because they cannot shoot a pistol accurately. Pistols are difficult to shoot off hand accurately, so many folks buy band-aids. At least in my case, the increase in accuracy I have gained in practice with my PP700SA has absolutely carried over to my skill with PB pistols, even with the reflex sight. If you find a valid practice solution with iron sights, post it here. I have failed.

One thing I would mention is that it may only be that the folks who use stocks on their pistols simply discuss it more. I don't know that I believe that "most" pcp pistol shooters do this, just that many do. As to the scopes, I did prefer open sights when able to use them well. Now at 62, I increasingly rely on other aiming methods that includes PISTOL scopes. Not ideal in my mind and something I once said I'd never do but things change and I have reached a point of loss of confidence in accuracy with open sights, especially in any situation less than bright daylight. I also use a Leupold Delta Point Pro on my primary concealed carry handgun now.

 

[Baldone]

Baldone,

The closest PB that feels like the PP700SA is the Thompson contender. I did not think that the use of a Reflex sight would allow the same value of practice that iron sights do, but I was wrong. You may also note that most PCP pistol shooters mount stocks and scopes. My personal belief this is done is because they cannot shoot a pistol accurately. Pistols are difficult to shoot off hand accurately, so many folks buy band-aids. At least in my case, the increase in accuracy I have gained in practice with my PP700SA has absolutely carried over to my skill with PB pistols, even with the reflex sight. If you find a valid practice solution with iron sights, post it here. I have failed.

One thing I would mention is that it may only be that the folks who use stocks on their pistols simply discuss it more. I don't know that I believe that "most" pcp pistol shooters do this, just that many do. As to the scopes, I did prefer open sights when able to use them well. Now at 62, I increasingly rely on other aiming methods that includes PISTOL scopes. Not ideal in my mind and something I once said I'd never do but things change and I have reached a point of loss of confidence in accuracy with open sights, especially in any situation less than bright daylight. I also use a Leupold Delta Point Pro on my primary concealed carry handgun now.

I also went to a carry red dot on my Hellcat. I will be 59 this year and low light is tough. I like the compact red dot because it Co Witnesses with my iron sights so I still I'm looking for the front sight when the Red Dot comes into play. I would only shoot this new pcp pistol outside during the day. Maybe opt for red dorlt or reflex later. I will stick to the irons from now.

 

[bandg]

Baldone,

The closest PB that feels like the PP700SA is the Thompson contender. I did not think that the use of a Reflex sight would allow the same value of practice that iron sights do, but I was wrong. You may also note that most PCP pistol shooters mount stocks and scopes. My personal belief this is done is because they cannot shoot a pistol accurately. Pistols are difficult to shoot off hand accurately, so many folks buy band-aids. At least in my case, the increase in accuracy I have gained in practice with my PP700SA has absolutely carried over to my skill with PB pistols, even with the reflex sight. If you find a valid practice solution with iron sights, post it here. I have failed.

One thing I would mention is that it may only be that the folks who use stocks on their pistols simply discuss it more. I don't know that I believe that "most" pcp pistol shooters do this, just that many do. As to the scopes, I did prefer open sights when able to use them well. Now at 62, I increasingly rely on other aiming methods that includes PISTOL scopes. Not ideal in my mind and something I once said I'd never do but things change and I have reached a point of loss of confidence in accuracy with open sights, especially in any situation less than bright daylight. I also use a Leupold Delta Point Pro on my primary concealed carry handgun now.

I also went to a carry red dot on my Hellcat. I will be 59 this year and low light is tough. I like the compact red dot because it Co Witnesses with my iron sights so I still I'm looking for the front sight when the Red Dot comes into play. I would only shoot this new pcp pistol outside during the day. Maybe opt for red dorlt or reflex later. I will stick to the irons from now.

Exactly what I said, a few years ago. I still shoot them regularly but not what I'd call reliably any longer. I was shooting my 2" plate at 50 yards a few weeks ago with a .177 Stormrider still using open sights, and hitting it fairly regularly. But it was a bright clear day. Hope you can stick with them for a long time.

 

[Baldone]

The pp700sa finding conflicting fps on177 and 22. Anyone clear that up for me.

Krales site says 177 is 705 and 22 is 590

That at the least backwards

 

[jkingrph]

Crosman 1701P 

Do I have to purchase rear sight separately ?

Looking at dealer sites, yes.

 

[steve-l]

The pp700sa finding conflicting fps on177 and 22. Anyone clear that up for me.

Krales site says 177 is 705 and 22 is 590

That at the least backwards

Why would you think this is conflicting? Heavier pellets go slower. I could measure my .22 PP700SA again, but when I did I think my pistol was a bit faster. I recall around 650 fps with JSB 15.89 gr pellets.

 

[Baldone]

The pp700sa finding conflicting fps on177 and 22. Anyone clear that up for me.

Krales site says 177 is 705 and 22 is 590

That at the least backwards

Why would you think this is conflicting? Heavier pellets go slower. I could measure my .22 PP700SA again, but when I did I think my pistol was a bit faster. I recall around 650 fps with JSB 15.89 gr pellets.

I just saw the 590 and lower for 22 on these websites, Then on some YouTube chrono testing was seeing 660. I would think the 177 should be up around 800 or higher but could not find and videos of 177. I was leaning to just use the 177 for practice but a 22 cal running 660 I would go for so I could hunt a little if I wanted to.