Curious if anyone has tried a peep sight on a pistol. If so what size aperture did you use. I know they are supposed to be close to your eye. but was curious if it would work any better than a notch sight.
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I am a very big fan of peep sights. I'll put them on most anything... But I've never tried them on a pistol. I guess it would be more of a ghost ring like these pistol sights.
Ghost Ring
I am sure those particular ones would not work on an air pistol. You would probably want some sort of elevation adjustment. And then you have to fart around with the front post too. I was able to rig up an acceptable solution on my Gen 1 Mrod using a Williams AG FP TK rear sight and then 3D printing a front sight that would attach to the muzzle end of the shroud. Getting that front post the right height to get maximum adjustability from the rear sight was a lot of trial and error, but since I was printing them, I could run as many as I needed until I got it right.
But all that said, I am not sure that a Williams or similar off the shelf aperture is going to be large enough to use on a pistol even if you remove the smaller screw-in aperture it comes with. And it is a little pricey to find out.
Ghost Ring
I am sure those particular ones would not work on an air pistol. You would probably want some sort of elevation adjustment. And then you have to fart around with the front post too. I was able to rig up an acceptable solution on my Gen 1 Mrod using a Williams AG FP TK rear sight and then 3D printing a front sight that would attach to the muzzle end of the shroud. Getting that front post the right height to get maximum adjustability from the rear sight was a lot of trial and error, but since I was printing them, I could run as many as I needed until I got it right.
But all that said, I am not sure that a Williams or similar off the shelf aperture is going to be large enough to use on a pistol even if you remove the smaller screw-in aperture it comes with. And it is a little pricey to find out.
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Any idea what a good aperture size may be? I'm working with someone that is 3D printing the rear sight for a Daisy 717/747. This would just replace the notched rear sight, elevation and windage adjustments would still be there.
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I used rubber cement (very removeable ) and brass washers glued to the 717 rear sight . still in progress to find the right size .
(waiting for an answer from a recent post of a pistol with a williams rear sight on it .)
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Dug up my 1701, from 2021 (new out of box for the most part, minus the custom grips and sights). Shooting Predator GTOs (6.79gr). Was not satisfied with avg speeds of 505fps, so after increasing the spring load by 3.5 turns (no idea what it was set to out of the box/new)… am a happy camper at consistency of ~550fps (10shots, btwn ~2800psi-2600psi). She’s a keeper.
(Ignore the ft-lbs data in the shot count; was too lazy to change the pellet weight.
All 10 shots at 5yd; standing/two-handed.)
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Do you know what size that aperture is?Dug up my 1701, from 2021 (new out of box for the most part, minus the custom grips and sights). Shooting Predator GTOs (6.79gr). Was not satisfied with avg speeds of 505fps, so after increasing the spring load by 3.5 turns (no idea what it was set to out of the box/new)… am a happy camper at consistency of ~550fps (10shots, btwn ~2800psi-2600psi). She’s a keeper.
(Ignore the ft-lbs data in the shot count; was too lazy to change the pellet weight.
All 10 shots at 5yd; standing/two-handed.)
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no , waiting for a reply
Also do not have any info on how he shoots , close or off hand . I am trying for an off hand hold but trying to hold the pistol THAT steady is ?????????????????? yikes . Larger than normal aperture is needed
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Yea I figured so. May start at .125 and drill it out from there. Just thought it would be a fun experiment to try. If it works you could get the whole rear sight for a 717/747, minus the elevation screw, nut and spring, for $25 bucks.
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Well, he says standing, two handed at 5 yds. Crazy good shooting if that is actually off hand and not rested. I usually shoot at about 8 yds standing weaver in my basement using the LPA MIM sight on my 1701P and my group size averages 3/8 to 1/2".
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most diopter sight have a factory disc that has a hole in the .9 to 1.1 mm
now the Williams rear peep sight that has adjustable knobs that was for the Weihrauch rifles has a hole in the peep at 2.35mm
now the iris could be change to different sizes but it is the one i have
rear height of any replacement sight would have to be close to the elevation range of the factory front sight
the 777 front sight was tall than the 717-747 front sight but i just looked on JG and they are all gone
now the Williams rear peep sight that has adjustable knobs that was for the Weihrauch rifles has a hole in the peep at 2.35mm
now the iris could be change to different sizes but it is the one i have
rear height of any replacement sight would have to be close to the elevation range of the factory front sight
the 777 front sight was tall than the 717-747 front sight but i just looked on JG and they are all gone
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I chuckled when I opened this thread. I went down this road hard in PB pistols when presbyopia became my friend. Good luck.
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I worked with a great sports optician for custom glasses first but the glasses that worked were so unique I couldn't use them for anything else and I am really near sighted. I then tried Ghost rings but my issue was with my front sight, I couldn't see it except under certain light conditions. I suspect I tried nearly every novel non-battery pistol sight that came out during 2000-2012. I worked in a PB store and just could. I even trained with both the front and rear sights taken off and that works well enough for close in shooting if you have practiced enough. I finally gave up on non-battery "old man" sights, as did most. I think practice works best at 7-10yrds, even thinking about sights just gets in the way. For hitting an Olympic 10m target bullseye well-practiced point and shoot is not good enough even if you are from Turkey
For indoor target shooting these days if I want to see both sights, with focus on my front sight down in the basement where I have enough LED strip lights to replicate the sun, I use a single vision pair of glasses with a right 1.5+ flip up lens. I removed the left lens of the cheap flip up readers. That way I resemble an old poorly trained Olympic "style" 10M shooter with poor equipment. But I can see the front and rear sights as well as the target well enough to plink to my hearts content.
I looked up pistol "peep" sights to see what the current conventional opinions are and have to concur that unless you are going for minute of beer can at 15' there isn't much point. There is little to no correlation to what you get from a long gun peep sight to a pistol.
For indoor target shooting these days if I want to see both sights, with focus on my front sight down in the basement where I have enough LED strip lights to replicate the sun, I use a single vision pair of glasses with a right 1.5+ flip up lens. I removed the left lens of the cheap flip up readers. That way I resemble an old poorly trained Olympic "style" 10M shooter with poor equipment. But I can see the front and rear sights as well as the target well enough to plink to my hearts content.
I looked up pistol "peep" sights to see what the current conventional opinions are and have to concur that unless you are going for minute of beer can at 15' there isn't much point. There is little to no correlation to what you get from a long gun peep sight to a pistol.
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I have similar eye issues and found that “pinhole glasses” solved the problem, at least for me.I worked with a great sports optician for custom glasses first but the glasses that worked were so unique I couldn't use them for anything else and I am really near sighted. I then tried Ghost rings but my issue was with my front sight, I couldn't see it except under certain light conditions. I suspect I tried nearly every novel non-battery pistol sight that came out during 2000-2012. I worked in a PB store and just could. I even trained with both the front and rear sights taken off and that works well enough for close in shooting if you have practiced enough. I finally gave up on non-battery "old man" sights, as did most. I think practice works best at 7-10yrds, even thinking about sights just gets in the way. For hitting an Olympic 10m target bullseye well-practiced point and shoot is not good enough even if you are from Turkey
For indoor target shooting these days if I want to see both sights, with focus on my front sight down in the basement where I have enough LED strip lights to replicate the sun, I use a single vision pair of glasses with a right 1.5+ flip up lens. I removed the left lens of the cheap flip up readers. That way I resemble an old poorly trained Olympic "style" 10M shooter with poor equipment. But I can see the front and rear sights as well as the target well enough to plink to my hearts content.
I looked up pistol "peep" sights to see what the current conventional opinions are and have to concur that unless you are going for minute of beer can at 15' there isn't much point. There is little to no correlation to what you get from a long gun peep sight to a pistol.
Optometrists use these things for eye exams but they are available online. And they’re cheap. Basically solid black plastic “glasses” with thousands of tiny holes. I move my head around until I find one of the holes that brings everything into focus. Perhaps it’s the “pinhole effect” that seems to correct my astigmatism, while simultaneously allowing me to see the rear sight in sharp focus (normally I can only see the front sight and target in any reasonable focus). I always wear these when I shoot.
Also, I need reading glasses anymore, but apparently these pinhole glasses do much the same thing. Only downside is the very limited field of view, which makes them tedious for reading but not a problem for shooting.
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