Airgun Technologies pest control 177 slugs or 22 pellets

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Hi I'm looking to get a Vixen long for some pest control but I'm not sure what to get.
I'm not looking for very high power as it is for backyard pest control.
So the focus is a lightweight setup and no crazy power ;) to keep it safe.

I am reading that the vixen in 177 likes a variety off slugs so i'm not sure if i would go for that 177 or the 22.
A 22 15.89gr pellet at 900fps has 28.60 fpe but only a BC of about 0.025-0.030.
A 177 10gr slug at 900fps has 18 fpe but with a BC of about 0.047-0.048

If I would want low power from the 22 i would have to go very slow so I looks like the 177 slug would be the better option,
with better wind resistence due to the high BC and being a slug i'm assuming good expansion.
But nothing beats practical experience so i would love to hear if any body can share their experiences on this.

Regards JP
 
Either will be great for rats. One thing I would say is with 22Cal if you want any kind of pellet deformation from a Hades you will need the speed. There is a big difference with a 22Cal Hades 800fps compared to 900+fps. But even at 700fps a 22Cal pellet will smash a rat.

For 177 the JSB KO MK3 Slugs are little monsters if pushed at least 900fps, maybe slower but I havent done any testing at lower speeds. I dont think there is a wrong choice for your application, but I would probably lean towards the 177. I think if you needed to slow it down even further to avoid property damage the KO MK3 slugs will still do pretty well at 700fps on rats.

The only thing to consider is the 177 slugs are freakin tiny and may not feed well in all magazines. I have used them in FX factory mags, and Gamo/BSA factory mags with no issue, but I can see other maybe having trouble.
 
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Either will be great for rats. One thing I would say is with 22Cal if you want any kind of pellet deformation from a Hades you will need the speed. There is a big difference with a 22Cal Hades 800fps compared to 900+fps. But even at 700fps a 22Cal pellet will smash a rat.

For 177 the JSB KO MK3 Slugs are little monsters if pushed at least 900fps, maybe slower but I havent done any testing at lower speeds. I dont think there is a wrong choice for your application, but I would probably lean towards the 177. I think if you needed to slow it down even further to avoid property damage the KO MK3 slugs will still do pretty well at 700fps on rats.

The only thing to consider is the 177 slugs are freakin tiny and may not feed well in all magazines. I have used them in FX factory mags, and Gamo/BSA factory mags with no issue, but I can see other maybe having trouble.
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I was reading that the vixen long in 177 works quite well with slugs in the standard setup. There are also after market magazines i found for slugs from Carm magazines. I'll have a look at those KO MK3s from JSB.
 
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daxrush said:
I was reading that the vixen long in 177 works quite well with slugs in the standard setup. There are also after market magazines i found for slugs from Carm magazines. I'll have a look at those KO MK3s from JSB.
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They are very soft and have a large cavity, JSB designed them specifically for pesting it seems. @JaceSpace1369 has done a great job documenting their performance, and there are more and more of us that can back him up with personal experience.

WOW talk about expansion!

I've never had these 10gr JSB V3 slugs expand this much but just wow! This was at 25yds head shot and remained under the skim the smaller expanded one was similar but at 42yds retrieved under the skin in the neck.
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daxrush said:
Hi I'm looking to get a Vixen long for some pest control but I'm not sure what to get.
I'm not looking for very high power as it is for backyard pest control.
So the focus is a lightweight setup and no crazy power ;) to keep it safe.

I am reading that the vixen in 177 likes a variety off slugs so i'm not sure if i would go for that 177 or the 22.
A 22 15.89gr pellet at 900fps has 28.60 fpe but only a BC of about 0.025-0.030.
A 177 10gr slug at 900fps has 18 fpe but with a BC of about 0.047-0.048

If I would want low power from the 22 i would have to go very slow so I looks like the 177 slug would be the better option,
with better wind resistence due to the high BC and being a slug i'm assuming good expansion.
But nothing beats practical experience so i would love to hear if any body can share their experiences on this.

Regards JP
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Thanks for the kind words @MongooseV8

I would suggest the .177 Vixen shooting the 10.03gr V3 JSB Ko slugs. They've shot amazing in every air rifles brand I have tried and other members with CZ rifles have also had great experience shooting these like @Vetmx Out of his U2 Compact.

As for the comment about the magazines and slug fitment, due to how the AGT mags are made you WON'T have a problem with slugs not fitting. All of the AGT mags are the same, Vixen, uragan 2, vulcan 3.
 
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I really like the 10 grain JSB KO MK 3 slugs, they almost cut a mouse in half, rats also drop fast, and a few weeks ago i dropped a pheasant like a stone.
Its 2 friends that was a few M from it when it dropped, well they just alked around for another few minutes before they calmly left into the tall grass.

I shoot them with 60 BAR on the regulator in my Two at 980 fps, but it is the long version ( 700 mm )

PS; the 10 grain Mk3 slugs was a mess in my Maverick with the standard superior barrel, but 13 grain worked just fine on my 700 mm barrel ( now 600 mm )
 
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For the scenario you are describing slugs are simply not necessary. Rats at 35 yards will easily be dispatched with a decent .177 or .22 pellet shooter. These winds you are describing are they in the over 20mph range constantly? If not, you should do fine with any decent airgun generating over 12 FPE. Talk of BC, slugs, etc., for shooting vermin at those distances? Simply over complication of a simple thing. Buy good airgun, mount good scope, good pellets and have at it…
 
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Imho for the distances & prey you're talking about it's not worth diving down the slug rabbit hole. Even though people recommend certain guns & slugs it's no guarantee YOUR gun will shoot them equally well. Such are the idiosyncrasies of airguns & projectiles. KISS should be your priority.
 
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Guys, thanks for the input.
With the info so far I'm favouring the 177 as it is the lower power option but plenty for the pests present. I'm gonna find a bit more info on the vixen long 177.
I'm seeing some contradictions on the internet people pretty much are describing it as a very accurate, rock solid gun but some say it quite some say its loud.
If anybody found a db number or sound measurement on the vixen 177 long (full power not 12fpe) please share ;).
 
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Different animal but my P35-177 has taken 21 bushy tailed tree rats so far with domed pellets with none going more than a few feet. It likes Baracuda Match pellets and shoots them 880-900 fps. A lot of them exit. 177 should be more than sufficient for any rat.

Since you won't be aiming up slugs should be good too but I worry about how far they will go on a miss. The same gun shoots Nielsen 12.5 grain well but I plan to stick with pellets for backyard pesting. Chairgun says slugs will go about 3 times as far.
 
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I use the .177 jsb KO mk3s and they expand excellent at 880 fps .They were just what my Taipan compact needed for pesting. Small entry, massive internal damage, no pass throughs on body shots and flat shooting As much as I like the .177s the .22 caliber is my favorite for an all around pesting or hunting airgun. Either will work but 50y accuracy, for me, goes to the .22 cals .

The larger .177 mk3 expanded to over .35" at just over 30y on a tree rat . The smaller one is .25" .
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I think the .177 would suit you fine. I wouldn't stress about the noise honestly. I can't remember mine being too loud but yeah I'm not sure. I also see plenty of people saying both that it's quiet and loud. I just ordered a .177 standard the other day. Not sure when I'll get it but will give my opinion noise wise when I get it. I'm happy as long as the gun is quieter than pellet impact.
 
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daxrush said:
Hi I'm looking to get a Vixen long for some pest control but I'm not sure what to get.
I'm not looking for very high power as it is for backyard pest control.
So the focus is a lightweight setup and no crazy power ;) to keep it safe.

I am reading that the vixen in 177 likes a variety off slugs so i'm not sure if i would go for that 177 or the 22.
A 22 15.89gr pellet at 900fps has 28.60 fpe but only a BC of about 0.025-0.030.
A 177 10gr slug at 900fps has 18 fpe but with a BC of about 0.047-0.048

If I would want low power from the 22 i would have to go very slow so I looks like the 177 slug would be the better option,
with better wind resistence due to the high BC and being a slug i'm assuming good expansion.
But nothing beats practical experience so i would love to hear if any body can share their experiences on this.

Regards JP
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Now that you've seen all the replies.........if I were you, I'd buy the gun that I want. And I would shoot the projectile that I want to shoot. Pellets? Slugs? Both.
Whenever you get your gun be sure to put a photo up...............and don't put feet in the photo.
 
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