Tuning Pitbull / huma regulator on modified benjamin bulldog update

He can have shot count and power if the gun is set up correctly, right now I think the current setup is wasting air. My bulldog shoots so nice and smooth compared to when I first got it and making more power to boot, way more accurate. That's what a good tune can do for him.

I agree that is the case, if his gun is modified correctly. As are you, I'm a big proponent of porting and polishing the transfer ports for optimal airflow, and not just "drilling them bigger." I've been doing this in automotive heads for years and transferred that knowledge over to the airgun's. Until recently, I have only seen or heard of one manufacturer who actually makes smooth transitioned ports and that is American Air Arms in both the Slayer and Evol models.
 
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@bd2021 I realize the gun is not getting the six regulated shots as advertised, but the way it is currently tuned it is a high power beast; a deer and hog slaying machine! Three to four high power shots with that close of a fps spread is great for somewhat longer range accuracy needed for that game or even long range ground hogs too. I'd keep the high power and four shots rather than detuning it to get six.

That does make sense. I'm new to this and I'm not getting any more power than:

He can have shot count and power if the gun is set up correctly, right now I think the current setup is wasting air. My bulldog shoots so nice and smooth compared to when I first got it and making more power to boot, way more accurate. That's what a good tune can do for him.

I suspect it is wasting air too...I think way more air than necessary is coming out based on the number of shots that were advertised. But I am new to this. The gun reached the destination so we will see what they say. I'm looking forward to putting it to the test.
 
He can have shot count and power if the gun is set up correctly, right now I think the current setup is wasting air. My bulldog shoots so nice and smooth compared to when I first got it and making more power to boot, way more accurate. That's what a good tune can do for him.

I agree that is the case, if his gun is modified correctly. As are you, I'm a big proponent of porting and polishing the transfer ports for optimal airflow, and not just "drilling them bigger." I've been doing this in automotive heads for years and transferred that knowledge over to the airgun's. Until recently, I have only seen or heard of one manufacturer who actually makes smooth transitioned ports and that is American Air Arms in both the Slayer and Evol models.

Okay, I just found the screenshots.

It has a "Complete Pitbull power port tune (Avg. 225 lbs HUMA regulated). It looks like mine was exceeding that with a 5 shot average of 267 ft. lbs. and a 17.6 fps spread with 142 grain bullet. 

Are you guys modifying your own bulldogs? 
 
I am modding my own as well, just not going wild with it. I should probably spend more time polishing the transfer ports. I did polish and smoother the valve port and the middle port between valve and barrel is plastic so it came out smooth. But the barrel port could use a little work.



But again, I'm only wanting around 200fpe with 145-155 grain ammo, the 185fpe I'm getting with the 125 grain stuff is perfectly fine for me. If it comes up a little, so be it. I also want 10 shots per fill, and hopefully all ten of those will be regulated when I get those parts installed. I set these goals realizing that chasing maximum power from this platform was going to be impossible, never going to get 500fpe out of it. Tried moving up to a larger rifle that is rated up to 700fpe, but that has been a saga. And now they are angry so I'm sure it will sit on their bench gathering dust until I complain. The saga is posted elsewhere here and at gateway if you really want to find it.
 
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Only person that can decide on acceptable is the owner. If you want max power, then yes that's pretty much what you get.



My other unnamed rifle is only 3 shots regulated with a 4th at slightly less. I decided for that rifle that max power was probably what I wanted. But if I'm shooting lighter weight ammo I might be able to lower hammer spring a little and get 4 regulated shots with a 5th at lower power. 4 would be right on if I can get the speed and accuracy out of a reduction in air. Needing 900fps or maybe down to 850 on 370-385 grain ammo (600+fpe). But I think that rifle is stuck in service limbo because I called their response into question. I know I'm right, but I bet it got put on the way back in the back of the shop back of the bench spot. After all, who am I to tell someone with such a long time in a skilled craft that they missed an issue. And then they would have to walk the steaming pile of @#$% conversation back to return it to me fixed.
 
Got the upgrade parts installed the other night, and put air in tonight... Regulator is set way high or defective. I pumped up to 3000 and the stock gauge also said 3000. Wanting to see if the limit was something near that point, put another 600psi in, still showing the same pressure on both gauges.



Time to contact Pitbull.

Be patient...Paul seems backlogged right now (hope he gets done soon as my gun is back there for evaluation/fix.). 
 
No, I'll buy a long screwdriver this weekend and do some testing, I think that's all it needs. When I was bleeding the pressure out, I opened the bleed screw, then shut the bleed screw half a dozen times, I can hear the regulator doing it's job, I just think that either they have a bunch adjusted too high, or the regs. have a problem. If I can get it adjusted down where I want to be, I'll call it done. Just going to be spending a lot of time with the compressor and bleed screw to get it right.



I really don't want to send this back, the weather is getting better and I want to be able to get things tuned in.
 
Looking back over the Pitbull website and I checked out all the pictures... I may have assembled this incorrectly and I'll have to check it later tonight. There is a little adapter that seals into the plenum and the end cap, and I did not use this as the printed directions (I thought) said I didn't need it. I'll have to check everything and try again later. Without that adapter it might not get the reference ambient air, but I also would have expected it to be leaking.



Anyway, I may have missed a step and I'll have to double check everything.



https://www.pitbullairguns.com/product-page/regulator-kits



[edit] Yup, I messed up! Here are very good directions http://foto.huma-air.com/foto/Installation%20guide%20Benjamin%20Bulldog.pdf



Hopefully I'll have some sort of update later tonight or tomorrow.
 
Works a lot better when you put it together properly. Sitting at around 4500 tube pressure at 2800 regulator pressure. Going to let it sit over night before I put the rest of the parts back together.

You've got me wondering how hard it would have been to just do this myself. Probably beats sending a gun back that you suspect should have never left the vendor in the condition it was in the first place. (Still waiting for Pitbull to look at my gun...hopefully it will be Monday or Tuesday that they will open the package). While I sympathize with them trying to earn a living, and being short handed, hopefully they can sympathize with a customer that spent money with them. 

I.e., if you want something done right, it might be faster to do it yourself (probably wrong the first time) and then do it again until you get it right? This is how it works for me. Sometimes trying to trade money for time doesn't get you ahead.
 
Since you bought the higher energy model, I think you got what they advertised, just that you didn't realize you bought the full blast version.

And now that I've been a lot deeper into this, and found more information, yes it might have been easier to get a long screwdriver and adjust it down. My only concern is not having the o rings to seal it up if the regulator needed to come out. I know they bind on the threads at the receiver end, and I had an issue trying to get mine out the fill cap end. So I just left it in place while I was doing things.

I did get a little pressure creep overnite, about 500 psi. Not too bad when all things are considered.

I do need to get a long screw driver, probably a little later tonight. The 2800psi that it currently sits at is slightly high for my gun, I normally get better velocity on the third shot which would be around 2650psi. Most likely I'll need to adjust mine down a bit. My rifle has only had the ports opened slightly to a #1 drill (about .225 inch) and the hammer seems to be striking the valve nut so I don't really get a change in (old tube) first shot between about 4.5 turns out and 3 turns out.

I'm also still running the stock valve return spring and stock poppet valve. Need to look for some poppet modifications and different valve return springs for a slightly lighter spring and where I need to clearance the poppet.



Other work you are going to want to do:

Polish the barrel. Unless you are really lucky, or they did this at Pitbull, there are many sharp edges on the rifling. Some polish on a cotton pellet back and forth will help reduce lead build up. I built a simple tool for this that I can show if you are interested. Just a brass screw, some brass nuts, a metal file, and a handheld drill are needed to make it. Works from 357 up to 50 so far.

Lube or powder coat your ammo. Again lead build up prevention. I've been powder coating, but I also recently bought some tumble lube that is supposed to dry to reduce the mess, haven't tested yet.

Mark the threaded "plug" on the hammer spring. I used an engraver to make 4 lines at roughly 90 degrees and a mark on the receiver. Makes it much easier to get back to a known number and does not functionally damage anything. They should have come standard with these markings. I may decide to do 8 markings but right now I'm not seeing much difference between quarter turns. Maybe I need the Pitbull spring installed, I have it but haven't installed it.



And lastly, you may want to start casting your own ammo. With the Benjamin Nosler going for over $1 a shot, it can pay off quickly. Going to need to go another $125 to $150 to get started with lead pot, a mold, and some pure lead. Really should add a siding die or 2 and a simple press but there are a few designs that will drop "close enough" to work without sizing.

Lee 356-125-2R cast bullets have been really accurate for me too, I think I have them up to 185fpe after my mods. These tend to drop right at .357 so you could lube and shoot directly out of the mold. I have two other designs ranging from 155 grains down to 84 grains, but haven't gotten any accuracy info because that's when I started having barrel issues, and then winter hit. Need to cast more for testing. One is a Lyman design with and without hollow point (155 and 125 grain), and one NOE design that is hollow or flat point (88, 86, and 84 grain depending on the pin used).

That said, you should buy a few boxes of that Benjamin Nosler, of the few boxes I've shot they were directly as advertised. Right at the power level (185fpe stock gun before mods) and as accurate as I could be with iron sites at 50 yards. Always within a 3 inch circle until the barrel started to lead foul (my first barrel was a turd). I have most of 4 boxes here for comparison testing. Expensive but a known quantity.
 
Since you bought the higher energy model, I think you got what they advertised, just that you didn't realize you bought the full blast version.

I am getting 4 shots, they say "up to 6". You may be right, in which case we could have handled this with better communication. I think I could have lived with the bad gauge, or replaced it myself.