Please help me decide- MOA vs Mil for benchrest

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I shoot 25 meter benchrest and may at some point start shooting the 50 yard bench rest. I have an FX Impact M3, .22 cal.

Anyway, I have decided that I would like to purchase the Trijicon Tenmile 5-50x scope for my benchrest shooting. My quandary is which reticle to choose. I currently own mil scopes (NF ATACR 7-35x, Stiener M7xi 4-28x, Athlon Cronus BTR 4.5-29x) and I’m kind of use the mil platform. I have had MOA scopes in the past, too. I was just wondering which reticle would suit my needs for 25m and 50 yard benchrest, or does it even matter?

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While I do prefer the finer click adjustment of MOA, that Tenmile MRAD reticle will probably be more precise in shooting circular benchrest targets with it's center dot, and is not really cluttered even with the christmas tree reticle below. Also, if you should decide to do longer range holdover shooting, or even sell it in the future, that reticle is more beneficial to you.
 
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The MIL version of that Trijicon scope has turrets with 0.05mil per click.

At 50y, one click moves the reticle by 0.086" — about 1/12 of an inch.


❓️ Would 1/12" be an adjustment fine enough for the level of precision your gun and the shooter are capable of?

Matthias 👍🏼
 
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JungleShooter said:
The MIL version of that Trijicon scope has turrets with 0.05mil per click.

At 50y, one click moves the reticle by 0.086" — about 1/12 of an inch.


❓️ Would 1/12" be an adjustment fine enough for the level of precision your gun and the shooter are capable of?

Matthias 👍🏼
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At 50 yards each click would be .086” (mil) vs .062” (MOA). However, the most one would be off at that range is only half of those numbers (.043” mil vs .031” (MOA)). The range that I shoot at is Rio Salado, which is always windy. It’s the same range that is used by Extreme Benchrest annual competitions. Due to the time limits (25 shots per 20 minutes), I don’t dial and use holdovers instead, which is what most competitors do.

Since I use holdovers, I took a hard look at the reticles. The mil reticles seem to have closer hash marks .2mils vs. 1 MOA. The mil reticle may suit me better due to the closer hash marks, using the hash marks to aim with.
 
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Airgun-hobbyist said:
While I do prefer the finer click adjustment of MOA, that Tenmile MRAD reticle will probably be more precise in shooting circular benchrest targets with it's center dot, and is not really cluttered even with the christmas tree reticle below. Also, if you should decide to do longer range holdover shooting, or even sell it in the future, that reticle is more beneficial to you.
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After further consideration, I'm tending to agree with you, especially since it has a center dot.
 
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I shoot maybe 30% @ 50 Meters and all the rest @ 100.
Since these are non moving targets and fixed distance, I think a SFP and simple reticle works the best.
Now to the power... more is better. Me personally like to zoom in all the way to a single ring (4x5 or 5x5 target). I like to see how my pellets chew the paper edges.
Not many high power scopes can perform as they claim at full power, keep that in mind. If that is worth to you look for Japanese or German glass.
I have a 10-50x65 Falcon X50T scope, 1 click 1/8 MOA

Falcon X50 MOA reticle.JPG


I have really no need to hold over for target, I am clicking. Also using actively Strelok Pro, if that matters.
 
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Rex max- take a look and consider the Delta Stryker DLS-3 5-50 x 56. 2nd FP, MOA reticle and turrets true at 40x, has tool less locking/resettable turret caps for both elevation and windage, has zero stop, and is at 34mm in size tube. Member Rangur1 turned me on to that scope when he loaned me his for RMAC 2022 as I had sent back my Athlon BTR Argos 10-40 scopes in for warranty work a month before the event. I fell in love with that thing, especially the center floating dot that never covers the center bull of a target wether it be a 100 or fifty yards. Liked it so much I ended up dressing up all three of my target guns each with that same exact scope.

I only use 50X as my spotting power, to make sure I don’t double shoot a target or passed any up if I happen to shoot out of order in rows
 
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Bigragu said:
Rex max- take a look and consider the Delta Stryker DLS-3 5-50 x 56. 2nd FP, MOA reticle and turrets true at 40x, has tool less locking/resettable turret caps for both elevation and windage, has zero stop, and is at 34mm in size tube. Member Rangur1 turned me on to that scope when he loaned me his for RMAC 2022 as I had sent back my Athlon BTR Argos 10-40 scopes in for warranty work a month before the event. I fell in love with that thing, especially the center floating dot that never covers the center bull of a target wether it be a 100 or fifty yards. Liked it so much I ended up dressing up all three of my target guns each with that same exact scope.

I only use 50X as my spotting power, to make sure I don’t double shoot a target or passed any up if I happen to shoot out of order in rows
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Bigragu, I did take a look at the Delta Stryker 5-50. I paid $1780 delivered for the Trijicon. The cheapest I found for the Stryker was $1590. They are essentially the same scope with some slight differences. The reason I choose the Trijicon was it's an American company that is serviced in the US, lifetime warranty, better reticle (IMO), and comes with Tenebraex scope caps ($100ish value). I really like the Tenebraex scope caps and would have bought them if it didn't come with them.
 
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RexMax said:
In my last 25m competition, a couple of weeks ago, I used my ATACR 7-35. While it performed well, the .1 mil clicks were just too course. Also, I would have preferred that the center dot on ATACR was smaller.
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Which is interesting, and I agree with you, MOA is smaller increments than MIL BUT if you watch Texas Plinkers, for the most part they are using MIL at 1,000 yards. Most were using hold overs/unders, some were making adjustments. Personally it's what you are use to.
 
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HogKiller said:
Which is interesting, and I agree with you, MOA is smaller increments than MIL BUT if you watch Texas Plinkers, for the most part they are using MIL at 1,000 yards. Most were using hold overs/unders, some were making adjustments. Personally it's what you are use to.
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I watch Texas Plinkers too. Good channel! I've watched them shoot and notice sometimes they do hold overs and sometimes they dial, but mostly do holdovers.

In the 25 meter matches that I participate in, very few if any of us dial turrets. There's simply not very much time to do so and the wind is so erratic and changes directions and speeds in a matter of seconds. We often will use four wind flags between the bench and the 25 meter target. It's common to have each wind flag doing its own thing. Rarely do all four wind flags point in the same exact direction and display the same wind speed.
 
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RexMax said:
I watch Texas Plinkers too. Good channel! I've watched them shoot and notice sometimes they do hold overs and sometimes they dial, but mostly do holdovers.

In the 25 meter matches that I participate in, very few if any of us dial turrets. There's simply not very much time to do so and the wind is so erratic and changes directions and speeds in a matter of seconds. We often will use four wind flags between the bench and the 25 meter target. It's common to have each wind flag doing its own thing. Rarely do all four wind flags point in the same exact direction and display the same wind speed.
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I'm laughing, quite a while ago I was at a range, guy was doing .22 at 25 yards, fancy rig, must have had a dozen flags out there,
 
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SpringfieldScooter said:
MOA vs. Mil
The $1000 question!
Either is fine, but communicating with other people may be an issue.
90% of PRS shooters, use a MIL scope.
What you do NOT want, is a MOA scope, with a MIL retical (or vice versa).
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So true! Way back in the day I had a Nikon Tactical 2.5-10x. It had a mil dot retical with .25 MOA clicks. It drove me nuts.
 
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JungleShooter said:
To this very day some manufacturers are still doing that..... 🤦🏻‍♂️

Matthias
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I dont understand why anyone would even want a MOA scope, with a MIL retical (or vice versa)!
There are a lot of them out there!
Imagine driveing a vehicle where all the speed limit signs are posted in KPH, and your speedometer reads in MPH (or vice versa).....
 
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