Power Tuning Mods for the FX Crown

Preface - this is a WIP, I will upload more photos and images to this first post as time allows

This info could void your warranty and introduce safety issues, I take no responsibility for any damages of any kind!

I have spent a great deal of time experimenting with both of my FX Crowns to produce substantially more power, in order to shoot heavier ammo with it. There have been several threads with information (for better or worse) on achieving similar goals, so I thought that I would start this thread to consolidate the modifications that I have done and hopefully others can contribute new mods that benefit other Crown owners. 

First, there's a thread that @edosan started on this forum that is identical in nature for the FX Impact. There are details within that thread that have some overlap with power tuning, but these are different rifles with some similar DNA and parts. The Impact has some advantages over the Crown for power, but if you're like me - the Crown is just a better fit ergonomically and there is no reason they can't be more than doubled in power from the factory! 

Strategy

Since the Crown has less plenum volume than something like it's brother, the FX Impact - shooting heavy ammo at higher velocities requires running the Crown with higher pressure settings (over the factory recommended limits). FX designs the Crown to shoot at a wide range of reg pressures, capping out what the hammer system do for opening the valve (generally around 150bar, give or take).

Depending on the tuning goals and ammo weight, you may need anywhere from 145-180bar (190 in extreme top end circumstances, but I generally run no higher than 168-170 for the heaviest ammo that I shoot).

Airflow Restrictions

In order to optimize the power, the airflow has to be unrestricted as best as possible. There are three primary mods that need to be done to achieve this. I'll put these in order of feasibility for most Crown owners:

Wider Transfer Port (TP) Diameter

When you remove the barrel from the Crown's action and look inside, you will see the transfer port underneath the area where the barrel's brass piece sits. The factory brass TP inlet is smaller in diameter than the TP outlet, so the brass TP must be enlarged to be closer in size with the action. This on its own can yield upwards of +50fps velocity. 

There is another way to achieve even greater optimization, which requires double porting the brass TP. I have not done this (yet), but I haven't had a need to go this far.

Pellet Probe

The pellet probe also introduces some airflow restrictions that hurt velocity. The probe can be modified in several different ways to unrestrict the flow. I have had gains upwards of 12-20fps using different designs, but I have settled on taking a smaller gain and using a double ported probe design.

Larger Valve Seat (VS)

The factory VS has a relatively small inside diameter that restricts airflow, somewhere around 5.57mm. To improve airflow efficiency, a VS with a larger inside diameter is required. It has been said that the diameter larger than caliber being shot is doesn't matter, but I have seen much better performance with the larger seat! 

You can carefully modify yours, machine / have one machined, or you can purchase one. FX sells a Titanium VS with an inside diameter of 6.35mm. Here are the two side by side:

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Be advised, you need to make sure that your valve pin has a large enough Delrin seat that seals against the VS! The newer Crowns come with them already, otherwise you can order them from FX.

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The FX part numbers are:

  • Titanium VS: 29970
  • Valve Pin: 19929

Regulator Pressure

Note, I have only had Crowns with the "gen 3" AMP regulators, so there may be some variations in the requirements for older generation Crowns.

Identify Your Use Case

The first thing you should determine before proceeding any further is what your end goals are for your Crown. A good starting point is identifying ammo weight and target velocities. You may not need to do much if you're only planning to shoot ammo weighing 24 grains or less, anything over 24 grains over 950fps is where the real experimentation begins.

I'll start with my use case. I wanted to be able to shoot anything up to 36 grains without pushing my rifle over 170bar or so. The real sweet spot for my rifle is 30 grains, where I can run my reg as low as 165 bar and push .217 Varmint Knockers out at 954-950fps, which have been deadly accurate even in 35mph wind gusts. If it's just breezy and not a gale, I can push 27-28gr slugs to 1040fps accurately for long distance. That said, I wanted the option on the table for shooting 33gr and 36gr slugs, so I worked towards the goal of being able to use as much as 190bar for piece of mind.

Spring Tension & Hammer Weight

With the airflow restrictions optimized with an otherwise stock Crown, you will quickly find that at higher reg pressures, your velocity decreases. The reason for this is simple - as mentioned before, the factory hammer system cannot open the valve at higher pressures, even with maximum factory hammer spring tension. Simply put - it just doesn't have enough force to overcome the pressures that push the valve pin against the valve seat. This is a problem, but there are different approaches that can be taken to solve for it - depending on your use case requirements.

For example - if you're shooting lighter ammo, 23-24gr slugs - you may only need another 5-10bar of usable regulated pressure to achieve your target velocity with that projectile. For a stock rifle, you may not even need a hammer weight. It is entirely possible that you can do one of two relatively low effort modifications to increase the hammer tension for gaining the extra usable pressure:

  1. Acquire a heavier hammer spring - the tough part of this for a layman is precision. If your spring is too strong, it will be difficult to cock the rifle, cause wear and tear, and eventually break critical components
  2. Adding spacers to the stock hammer system - the advice is to go small, and increase the spacer length in 1mm increments. You will eventually hit a point where you cannot cock the rifle anymore, and this is the turning point IMO for needing a hammer weight
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    If you have hit this wall and you're determined to get past it, you need to prepare yourself for modifying the Crown's spring guide and producing a custom hammer weight. FX sells a hammer weight kit that contains a 7 gram hollowed brass hammer, a modified spring guide, and a new factory spring (it's the same spring as what is included with the factory rifles). This may be enough to hit your goals, I have found that the hammer weight in this kit only opens the valve up to 160bar (in both my Crowns).

    This is where I began to get creative. My first approach was to determine the rate and specification of the factory spring and ordered a half dozen others that were very close in specs. I cut them down to the proper size, grinded the ends flat, and none of them provided adequate power to open my valve over ~165bar.

    It was at this point that I began to make custom hammer weights.

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    The brass weight in the middle is the one Ernest designed, and the one at the top is the one that I'm using. Thus far, I have found higher grade brass to be the best material to use for this purpose. Stainless is too light, tungsten alloys are hard to machine and slightly brittle. Using the factory spring, modified spring guide, I tested several different variations of hammer weights using brass. The first was a test that I did filling the FX / Ernest Rowe hollowed hammer weight with lead, for a total weight of 9.9 grams. This still wouldn't allow me to surpass the 170 bar mark (~168 bar), but it showed promise. The first custom brass hammer weight that I machined weighed in at 11.9 grams. This was finally enough to surpass the 170 bar mark, but velocity dropped over 172! I then made another that weighed 12.6 grams with a ~9.4mm flange, and this was finally enough to open the valve up to 190 bar.

    I have since tweaked and tuned the specs and my weight is right around 12.5 grams with a 8mm flange.

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    Note: the spring guide modification is needed so the spring can compress when the rifle is cocked, otherwise the weight would bottom out on the guide post that the spring rides on!

    (To be continued)
 
I was told this as well^ Otherwise I would not be making/performing my own modifications. Good info regardless. 

I am curious, though, with a larger valve seating area, isn't it harder to open the valve? I opened my seat by .25mm as I'm only running .22. And saw no gain. However, I did not increase spring tension from how it was tuned prior. So any flow gains may have been balanced by increased need for hammer force. 

Also worth noting I saw gains of 75fps @131 bar with probe and barrel porting. On standard 5.56mm VS. But was using a 700mm barrel. 
 
Good info ... Elemental for Crown users with power desire! jaja

Just for you to know, FX USA and FX will not sell anymore any power upgrades to anyone. Is a fact confirmed to me by Newman Buck (FX USA Service)

Hmmm, as in the Crown hammer weight kit?

@joekool, thanks! I hope this helps 😎 

@Long_Gun_Dallas - yeah that sounds about right, I went those conservative numbers for the 600mm .. not many of us have the 700mm, but I was planning to dig up my shot string data that I had recorded before and after to let the numbers speak for themself :p
 
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Got some bar stock in today. Cut down a 7gm weight, was able to get 65fpe @ 155bar (30gr .22 988fps). Likely gona run lighter slugs with BC close to 1.15 and detune to 140-145 bar

NICE!!! Those are good numbers 👍

One thing to verify with heavy ammo is make sure ES isn't erratic, this is why I have opted to run higher pressure + less tension + heavier weight. IF it does jump 20+ FPS, the way to level it out is turning up pressure.
 
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Got some bar stock in today. Cut down a 7gm weight, was able to get 65fpe @ 155bar (30gr .22 988fps). Likely gona run lighter slugs with BC close to 1.15 and detune to 140-145 bar

NICE!!! Those are good numbers 👍

One thing to verify with heavy ammo is make sure ES isn't erratic, this is why I have opted to run higher pressure + less tension + heavier weight. IF it does jump 20+ FPS, the way to level it out is turning up pressure.

I thought so! Thanks. 

So, that would essentially have the same effect as dialing the hammer back... Just balancing the hammer/valve relationship from the other end. Not sure why, but I hadn't thought to do that. 

Typically, I'll up pressure and hammer tension until it doesn't seem to respond much. And then back hammer off till it's well within a stable range. 
 
Exactly. I found that up to ~160bar, depending on the weight and tension, the slingshot hammer gets more velocity at lower PW settings.it seems counter intuitive to start from MIN to tune down, but that's just how it is lol. 

The best approach I have found is to choose reg pressure appropriate for the ammo - relative to the Crown's configuration, and then keep in mind that there is a turning point where reg pressure requires higher tension/PW settings. I'm OCD about ES, but I have Crown figured out for 18gr through 36gr. I'll set the reg pressure appropriately, and then start from either MIN or MAX, depending on which side of ~150-160 bar I'm at. I'll look at the numbers and pull a Ted Bier, and listen to the shot to figure out if I'm close or not.

Then, I test accuracy at 35-40m, then 100m and decide if I need to tune differently. It's usually a 10min process, sometimes 45 😂 
 
Yeah, once you play with different ammo types you can get a feel for what pressure and hammer settings work best. I've got two hammer springs, guides, and trying to get my hands on an up to date hammer adjuster so I've got one set for 14-18 gr 13-40 fpe, and another for 18-30gr 30-65 fpe

I also listen to the shots, too 😂 you can really hear when the combo is working together 


 
Did you think about bottle regulator from Altaros/Huma. You just have to do it new adapter for block. You need to remove the factory regulator and close that place. In the block expand the flow to the factory plenum. How big is the factory plenum i think its small. With these changes we would have a lot of energy at low pressures.

https://www.altaros.cz/en/content/46-additional-airchamber-for-air-tank-regulator-airforce-daystate-evanix-kral-arms-hatsan


Yeah I thought about precisely the same idea when I contemplated adding plenum volume. Honestly though, for 22 cal - it doesn't really need much else! 
 
Interesting idea. But I agree that for 22 caliber, there's no need. Also, huma makes inline bottle regs like that too


Yep, that is definitely an option too. 

Also, the whole balance valve concept like what JSAR is using is pretty interesting. I have a brand new .250 TJ barrel blank sitting here looking for a new home. Thought about setting it up in one on my Crowns, but it's more of a slug barrel and I'd definitely need to up the power to make the most of it.

Too many ideas, not enough time.
 
Did you think about bottle regulator from Altaros/Huma. You just have to do it new adapter for block. You need to remove the factory regulator and close that place. In the block expand the flow to the factory plenum. How big is the factory plenum i think its small. With these changes we would have a lot of energy at low pressures.

https://www.altaros.cz/en/content/46-additional-airchamber-for-air-tank-regulator-airforce-daystate-evanix-kral-arms-hatsan


Wait a sec.. any idea what the thread is on that Altaros? 
 
Yep, that is definitely an option too. 

Also, the whole balance valve concept like what JSAR is using is pretty interesting. I have a brand new .250 TJ barrel blank sitting here looking for a new home. Thought about setting it up in one on my Crowns, but it's more of a slug barrel and I'd definitely need to up the power to make the most of it.

Too many ideas, not enough time.



Indeed. I'd love to fool with some valve designs. But I've got too many pending projects as-is. And the main hurdle is proper tooling. I could access everything id ever need, but I'd have to have saturdays off work, and its just not an option