I'm riding this to any air gun manufacturer the Seneca Aspen air gun has a built-in pump I thought it would be me if you could make a built-in pump but like a pump shotgun so when you air it up you're caulking it back just like a pump action shotgun that way the gun would look great and also be more like a real firearm and I believe if you would make it in a 35 Cal 45 Cal and 50 caliber or at least a 45 and 50 caliber it would fly off the shelves because it would have a built-in pump and it would be like pumping a pump action shotgun someone please produce this because the Seneca Aspen air gun is cool but it has no power and it doesn't look that good with that handle the way they have it.
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Ever tried a PCP hand pump?
Give it a shot. You'll understand quickly why you want a fair bit of leverage in order to get enough mechanical advantage on that pump mechanism - they take a lot of force if you want to get it done in any reasonable (LOL..) number of pumps.
Not saying there aren't better ways, the Aspen is a wonderful concept that looks a lot like my extra ugly *(but, damn good) Hatsan Vectis... Maybe a side-lever design, or let the entire operating assembly be the lever, and the stock/tank be the second half, with a foot-hold like you'd find on a cross-bow, and make it aggressive so you don't have to pump all freaking day on it.
Give it a shot. You'll understand quickly why you want a fair bit of leverage in order to get enough mechanical advantage on that pump mechanism - they take a lot of force if you want to get it done in any reasonable (LOL..) number of pumps.
Not saying there aren't better ways, the Aspen is a wonderful concept that looks a lot like my extra ugly *(but, damn good) Hatsan Vectis... Maybe a side-lever design, or let the entire operating assembly be the lever, and the stock/tank be the second half, with a foot-hold like you'd find on a cross-bow, and make it aggressive so you don't have to pump all freaking day on it.
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FWIW, I guess you COULD do it like a shotgun, with a fold out handle, and stand on the bottom of the stock.
I'd want a fairly long stroke though, and I don't see how you'd get that without it looking/feeling janky as hell. (and I REALLY don't like the idea of standing on TOP of the dang barrel as I pump it. Good way to 'lose an eye kid'....)
I'd want a fairly long stroke though, and I don't see how you'd get that without it looking/feeling janky as hell. (and I REALLY don't like the idea of standing on TOP of the dang barrel as I pump it. Good way to 'lose an eye kid'....)
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The air bottles on the Napoleonic era Girandoni air rifle required 1,500 pumps by the soldier to fill EACH of the three air bottles they were required to carry. Sounds horrible. Hope they didn't leak much... 30 shots per bottle, 45 cal lead ball, 500 fps, 110-120 fpe. Appears to have only been (briefly) issued to the Austrian army.
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The air valve mechanism on them is crudely similar to a CO2 airgun valve. They could use the 88 gram CO2 bottles in the butt stock like how they mounted the original sheet iron air bottles. Maybe make it in a smaller caliber than the original to get more shots out of the expensive 88 gram CO2's. Could also use conventional muzzle loading barrels which are readily available. The stock would not be too difficult to replicate. The shooting mechanism would likely be a modern CO2 system. Any reproduction could be made externally identical but the guts would have to be modern. They didn't last long for no reason...
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I think, if I did get one, I'd want it to be matching to the original spec, more or less - with all the flaws and such - it's more about the experience than anything - and any headaches are a part of that. 
(The exeption being that I absolutely would rig up a connection to a modern PCP compressor. But I'd want to have the original design of hand pump just to torture people with.. LOL)
(The exeption being that I absolutely would rig up a connection to a modern PCP compressor. But I'd want to have the original design of hand pump just to torture people with.. LOL)
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Oh yeah, the authenticity of a 1,500 stroke pump fill for 30 shots, yippie!!I think, if I did get one, I'd want it to be matching to the original spec, more or less - with all the flaws and such - it's more about the experience than anything - and any headaches are a part of that.
(The exeption being that I absolutely would rig up a connection to a modern PCP compressor. But I'd want to have the original design of hand pump just to torture people with.. LOL)
Also the authenticity of using a sheet metal bottle at 100-200 bar ? OK, I'll grant that it would be nice to have correct historically accurate internals, but would absolutely have to be rated for modern PCP pressures with modern PCP construction methods and materials and maybe use detachable small diameter CF bottles of the same size as the originals. Upvote 0
Not possible,....with onboard pump gun you only can get so much power so forget anything over .25 cal, really.
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This !!
That way you can have your slim firearm looking .45 or .50 ..............look at XP, Extreme or Bushbuck airguns
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LOL, the impracticality is part of the 'fun' there.Oh yeah, the authenticity of a 1,500 stroke pump fill for 30 shots, yippie!!
But yeah, a non-sheet metal tank would absolutely be one of the upgrades, just in the name of safety. I'm sure the original bottles are fine, but, nah.
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To be fair, totally worth it when the return on investment was being able to deliver 90 shots of highly accurate fire quicker (and far quieter/less smoke) than a muzzle loader could ever hope for.
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The main 30,000 foot problem with them was logistics concerning maintenance. The average regimental armorers required specialized tools and training to service them. They were very unreliable. Most simple issues with flintlocks could be fixed by the soldiers or their NCO's. Only in a bad case would the musket go to the armorer for repair. The air muskets were beyond the ability of the average soldier to repair. Therefore the armorers would be much busier fixing weapons. The main point of failure were air bottle leaks usually at the leather seals used for the air bottle connection to the rifle.
Regarding filling the air bottles the regiments were provided with wagon portable pumps that allowed faster fills. The individual soldiers each carried a pump (1,500 pump strokes per bottle) I can image camp fatigue duty would involve the troops taking turns on the wagon pumps filling bottles...A truly crazy and ahead of its time idea.
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