I have never made a scab tank no but have done filament winding which is the method used to make the tank. If you don't use the highest quality prepreg tow you aren't going to make a quality tank.
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question about carbon fiber tanks
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What it all comes down to is I don't trust the chicoms to make a hi pressure tank that is safe. I trust a 20 year old dot scba tank over a brand new chicom tank. Do I buy chicom accessories,yes. Do I have chicom guns, yes. Will I ever buy a chicom scba tank, heck no.
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Not just "not probable", not happening. If a bottle or tank had failed for manufacturing issues then the company that manufactured the failing tank would be investigated and its products placed in quarantine.
Within our little world someone would be blaring that with flashing lights and sirens
The FUD that because they are Chinese that somehow the will not work to the standards is rampant among a certain crowd.
But ONLY the Chinese, we Americans would never cut corners for greed. Only those dang furriners.
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So, your evidence that the Chinese are failing to manufacture to either standard or their own GB standard is what exactly?
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So, no actual evidence, just your own xenophobia. Because you know for a fact those US manufacturers have never cut corners, right?
That your 20 year old tank has no corrosion or deteriorating resin due to exposure. You of course have had ultrasound or tomographic imaging performed on that 20 year old tank, right?
I will 100% take and trust a new Chinese tanks over a 20 year old tank without a detailed documented lifecycle .
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In my short time on forum this has been discussed many times. Look when young and Ford Pintos were burning the first to buy the now very cheap car was my girl at the time . Then 3 more of us realized what good cheap to be had used cars they were to very poor kids. Safety regulations go with very small failure rates to restrict something. The US hasn’t done that
im safe. I’m not complaining about you paying 4 times the price of a Tuxing. Thats your decision. I’ll stick with mine and you can stop feigning worry while some of you secretly hope a Chinese tank blows up in somebody’s face so
“ I TOLD YOU SO “ can be posted.
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And your basis for this mistrust?
See, if have spent time working with modern Chinese manufacturing. I know just how serious they are in regards to things like the various ISO standards, 9001, AS9100, 14385 etc. They make many US companies pale in comparison.
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I've been concerned about this for a long time. I even posted about it a while back and got shot down. Look how many states have jumped on the bandwagon of restrictions, and l've never seen any significant crime commited with an airgun, only preemptive restrictions.
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I have absolutely no problem with the the people of China or Russia. I have a major problem with their governments. Remember, the chicom government owns all of the businesses in China and the management has to tow the line of what their leaders say or else they won't have a job.
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Okay, what does that have to do with Chinese companies actually and seriously working to standards? You do not like the government but that in no way means their air tanks are in any way substandard.
They are inspected and audited to receive GB, CE and DOT certification. Their processes from incoming to shipping are analyzed with respect to each standard. The final item being the test and inspection regimen as mandated by each standard.
However, the tanks are exactly the same tanks. They do not have 2 or 3 manufacturing process. The difference is just the T&I regimen, label and controlled serial number.
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You are correct. The only issue is Chinese counterfits and Seconds. When you buy from stateside or european company they have their own inspection and Insurance. When you buy from China from random Aliexpress seller you can be getting seconds or counterfits. We had an experience right before covid with Plastic parts from a reputable Chinese subsidiary of an American company that provided plastic parts with fake certifications of material (purchasing failure on their part). The plastic was missing a critical chemical componenet and when parts were assembled in the states the off gassing of the adhesive made the parts crack. Back tracing showed the material was purchased on some secondary market with fake certification. Massive losses and delays. Everyone gets to gauge their own risks. My customer chose the supplier and sustained a loss. Was it worth based on what they saved for the 10 years prior, probably yes. Will they do it moving forward, probably not. Did the American owner of the Chinese supplier compensate my customer to at least some degree, yes.
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It is real simple on AliExpress, buy from the reputable dealers, Acecare, Alsafe, Tuxing.
They also invariably have the best prices due to volume.
Again I will point out that if a Bottle or Tank had failed due to manufacturing that it would be WELL known among the limited number of people and groups that use high pressure pneumatics. There is zero evidence of any failure attributed to manufacturing.
As for inspection and insurance are you claiming that US and European manufacturers are immune to greed and would never cut corners?
Then there is the fact there may actually only be 1 or 2 actual manufacturers of the tanks. I know Acecare has an OEM by the name of Zhejiang Kaibo Pressure Vessel Co. I've only done a cursory search but when you look at the part # listed on the ZKPV web site they are the same part # sold by the other reputable sellers.
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You know guy your comment that he would want someone to get hurt or killed to prove a point is TOTALLY out of line. You come on here assuming everyone should think like you do or you try to make them seem like they are timid if they want to be careful. This forum is also about respecting other peoples opinion even if you disagree with them. That doesn't mean telling them you believe they have a right to their own opinion then make some smart ass remark about them. We get it, you like to live on the edge and you assume your the only one who does. I would say most of the old timers on here forgot more than you will ever know about airguns and freely give good, safe advise to the new guys who ask for advise.. You are entitled to your opinion too but not at the expense of others.
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Ba ba theres not that much to know about Airguns . Its a mechanical device.
Tough s it Thats my opinion. You live in a vacuum if you think everyone is sooo
gracious and only wish the best. Yes there are those that secretly wish my chinese
tank ruptures to make their point.
Be sure to hit the report button, I can tell your that type
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You know nothing about me, if you did you would know I don't report people. I'm sure you will do that on your own, have a wonderful day.
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