Question for everyone.

[Ranchibi]

Careful with the Discovery scopes....

After directly catering to us airgunners by making most of their scopes with 10y parallax —
since a couple of years most of their newer & nicer scopes do not have 10y parallax anymore, but usually 25y.

They are hiding this fact by not stating it in the specs on both webpages and product cards.

Vector clearly has outdone Discovery now.

Matthias

True....this old one, probably 2016 has a 10yd min parallax but sadly like you said the new ones have a longer minimum. I am looking at the new ED 4-20x50 FFP and min parallax is 15yds but wondering if that is at max magnification? I see stated min parallax but greater than what I would like. I haven't looked thru a Vector, do they have a large eyebox?

 

[JungleShooter]

I am looking at the new ED 4-20x50 FFP and min parallax is 15yds but wondering if that is at max magnification?

The correct parallax setting is most important at the highest magnification.
So, if a scope has a 15y minimum parallax:
to shoot at 10y with 20x magnification, you will have an out-of-focus picture and you will have potential parallax error if your eye is not perfectly centered.
However, if you go down to 4x magnification, the picture will appear to be largely in focus, and parallax error will be much smaller.


Since I record with a scope cam, I need a sharp image especially at the higher magnifications.....

Matthias

 

[DARKHORSE1967]

Yes Burris Hawke and Bushnell are all on my short list especially Burris and Bushnell after seeing cyclops review on Bushnell a few years back about the glass improvements. I have a LVPO Bushnell on a pb and it's really nice and clear.

If you have a Sportsman’s WH near your place check out the Bushnell R5 (not the R3) with the DOA-LRH800 reticle (floating center dot and hash marks).

Their highest mag is just at 18x though, particularly their 6-18x50 model.

They only come in 1” tubes (my preference, frankly), but you need to check out the clarity in person; I was really amazed when I checked one out, and I think you would as well.

The only reason I’m hesitating is because it’s made in the PRC, and I’ve already rid myself of my Chinese optics.

 

[Ranchibi]

The correct parallax setting is most important at the highest magnification.
So, if a scope has a 15y minimum parallax:
to shoot at 10y with 20x magnification, you will have an out-of-focus picture and you will have potential parallax error if your eye is not perfectly centered.
However, if you go down to 4x magnification, the picture will appear to be largely in focus, and parallax error will be much smaller.


Since I record with a scope cam, I need a sharp image especially at the higher magnifications.....

Matthias

That's why we're told to set the dipoter at the scopes highest magnification thanks for the valuable info Matthias as usual!

 

[Vetmx]

I’m completely addicted to Atlon Heras scopes. This is coming from a guy who used to have a Night Force on every Impact. Now all but one Impact has a Heras on it. And after getting my Skout and Uragans dialed in and declared keepers, they are wearing Heras’s. The 1” tube might be considered insanity in today’s day and age but if so, then I’m insane. But I’m no longer shooting insanely heavy guns and feel I’m not giving up clarity or repeatability.

 

[NotCutleryLover]

The element Helix lineup is quite respectable in my opinion. They have a somewhat tight eyebox, although most similar spec scopes do. I have no complaints about mine

 

[Mr.H]

I guess I messed the Japan part.. hmm

I just got the Tract scope a few minutes ago, and all I can say is I am very, very impressed.
Extremely bright and crisp images, the colors are fantastic. And I’m looking through objects on a very cloudy day..
One thing it has that I’ve never had before, the focus dial is locked, so you have to pull it out to focus your distance and then push it back in.
I don’t know how this would work for somebody that does the field target competition, but for me, for hunting and casual shooting, this is a big upgrade. I have two Arken ELP scopes, which I really like, but when you focus down below eight power the reticle is really hard to see. The Tract scope is a second focal plane and it is very easy to see.

 

[JungleShooter]

I’m completely addicted to Atlon Heras scopes. This is coming from a guy who used to have a Night Force on every Impact. Now all but one Impact has a Heras on it. And after getting my Skout and Uragans dialed in and declared keepers, they are wearing Heras’s. The 1” tube might be considered insanity in today’s day and age but if so, then I’m insane. But I’m no longer shooting insanely heavy guns and feel I’m not giving up clarity or repeatability.

This coming from a guy like you has a lot of weight, Frank.

You must be talking about the Heras in the
4-20x50 SFP (1") variety.....


Because the 6-24x56 in either FFP or SFP is a beast: 32.3oz (916gr).


I can see that the Heras offers a lot, at a lower price then the Helos 4-20x50 FFP.

Heras: 2.6oz (73g) lighter
Helos: 30moa more elevation adjustment (100moa)
Helos: Ilumination yes
Heras SFP vs. Holos FFP, with gridded reticle
Same length


The Heras comes with all the other good stuff that all scopes should have, but so many don't:
▪Available in both MIL and MOA
▪Reticle and turrets speak the same language (mil/mil or moa/moa)
▪Turret zero stop
▪Turret revolution counter
▪Locking (windage) turret
▪Turret 10mil or 25moa per revolution
▪SFP reticle calibrated at the maximum magnification (instead of 10x like so many)
▪Reticle center dot


I probably should start buying these and bringing these to Peru — this is A LOT of scope for LITTLE money.
Maybe THE BARGAIN out there right now!


Thanks, Frank.

Matthias

 

[Vetmx]

This coming from a guy like you has a lot of weight, Frank.

You must be talking about the Heras in the
4-20x50 SFP (1") variety.....


Because the 6-24x56 in either FFP or SFP is a beast: 32.3oz (916gr).


I can see that the Heras offers a lot, at a lower price then the Helos 4-20x50 FFP.

Heras: 2.6oz (73g) lighter
Helos: 30moa more elevation adjustment (100moa)
Helos: Ilumination yes
Heras SFP vs. Holos FFP, with gridded reticle
Same length


The Heras comes with all the other good stuff that all scopes should have, but so many don't:
▪Available in both MIL and MOA
▪Reticle and turrets speak the same language (mil/mil or moa/moa)
▪Turret zero stop
▪Turret revolution counter
▪Locking (windage) turret
▪Turret 10mil or 25moa per revolution
▪SFP reticle calibrated at the maximum magnification (instead of 10x like so many)
▪Reticle center dot


I probably should start buying these and bringing these to Peru — this is A LOT of scope for LITTLE money.
Maybe THE BARGAIN out there right now!


Thanks, Frank.

Matthias

Just added a 2-12x to my collection. Not currently on any gun but it will be on something come hunting season. I don’t need the weight of illumination because I can see the reticle until it’s no longer legal to hunt. They also agree with my Pards. Very clear.