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RAW 1000X LRT 3rd attempt - Could use some help

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A couple of thoughts...

Got that rear bag yet? No, get it ordered, it'll make a world of difference.

Experiment with your body position.
  • You want to find something that is relaxed, specifically you do not want to have tension in your body.
  • A key part of it will be finding your eye/head position. You want your eye looking straight down the scope tube. Since you have the adjustable cheek piece on that stock, use it. You want to find a repeatable "feel" on your face. A lot of people rest their cheek bone on the cheek rest for their feel point.
  • Preload the bipod, if you're not sure what I mean, Google it, lots of better explanations than I'm going to articulate here :)
  • No tension points in touching the rifle. Don't push or pull the rifle. When you have a rear bag you want it loose enough you can squeeze it to make slight adjustments in POA.
  • The RAW's have EXCELLENT triggers, take advantage of them! Slowing move through the first stage, hit the second and follow through. Straight back, hold it till you see your pellet hit the target.
  • Build a relaxed, meditative routine to taking a shot. Slow deep breaths, seriously breathing will help more than you can imagine! Do it the same way every shot. Chase stray thoughts out of your mind. Its normal for your mind to wonder, just come back to what you're doing and keep going.
My breathing technique before I start a session... (10) deep breaths. In slowly counting 1 to 10, out slowly counting 1 to 10, (1) breath done. Repeat tens times.

My routine... look through the scope, I have a touch spot on my face on the stock to insure center line. Adjust my rest to something close to my POA, come off the rifle, pull my bolt back, pick up a pellet and feed it, close my blot, 3 fingers on the grip, thumb straight up behind the grip, head down hit the touch point, trigger finger along the stock, look at the target, make fine adjustment to the rest, finger in the guard, slow deep breath, relax, finger on the trigger, exhale slowly while moving through the first stage of the trigger, move through the trigger till it stops on the natural break between exhaling and inhaling. Slowly inhale, spot the shot, make mental note of any difference from POA and POI. Repeat for the next shot.

There is the idea of "free recoil" in bench rest shooting, again Google for best explanations. 

Are you using the same pellets Marksman was using with it?

Make sure you are staying on the regulator! I'm not sure with a 25cal how many shots you should expect, but sort out your pellets before you start shooting in groups of whatever number that is. Take a test shot or two after a refill. IME my BM500x doesn't change POI on the first shots after a refill, but some have reported they see one.
 
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Hi, Beeser,
On the subject of parallax, a very successful FT shooter once told me that the parallax free setting and being optically in focus are not necessarily the same thing. If the target seems to shift when you bob your head slightly while not moving the gun, then the parallax is not adjusted correctly. I'm no expert on scopes but I did see a difference between 'parallax free' and 'in focus' with my scope. 
Congrats on your new gun!
John
PS-100 yards is harder than it looks, ask me how I know!
 
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Beeser parallax free Is when the crosshair and the target are on the same focal plane . When you adjust your head position you should not see any movement of the crosshair on the target . When it's fixed and your head movement doesn't affect how the crosshair behaves ....That parallax free.... Focus is simply a sharp image thru the scope . They aren't the same thing ...Here's a link .
PS the distances marked on focus whether it's on the bell or the side are just a guide ..they are often wrong . But it's nothing that'll affect the accuracy
 
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How old is your rifle? From what I've heard it takes a couple of tins of pellets before a RAW start to work at it's optimum..

Parallax is also really important. Place the rifle in a fixed position where you are dead center aiming on the target and gently get rid of the parallax by adjusting the SF. The parallax is gone when you can move your head behind the scope without a movement of the crosshair (don't toch the stock while doing this, that'll make it worse ;) )

It also looks like your hold is inconsistent. The center of the impacts is shifting from left to right and up and down, a typical hold issue. 
 
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Shooting 100 yards poses many challenges. ....and that is what makes it fun. First.....wind. Even if it doesnt seem like the wind is blowing....the slightest breeze comes into the equation. Looks like your grouos are mainly horizontal. I would expect wind played a role here. Also....scope cant will do this. A bubble level is a must. Lastly, your hold on the rifle has to be super consistent. Especially your cheek weld. I would suggest not using any neck muscles at all. Adjust the cheek riser to where you can rest and 100% relax your head on it without using any muscles. Preload the bipod backwards into your shoulder......locking in the buttpad to your shoulder with just enough tension to get steady. The only muscles you should feel is your trigger finger and a slight back pressure pulling into your shoulder from your bicept. All other muscles should be loose....like your a lifeless ooze/blob covering the rifle. Neck muscles are your worst enemy....and the wind of coarse. Try tying a piece of yarn to something to guage the wind and shoot with all the above advice. Pursuit of tight 100 yard groups is hard to do consistently.
 
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"beeser"Percula - I didn't know which Protektor rear bag size to get so I picked up a set of Caldwell front and rear bags to flush out what's needed. That was after yesterdays shoot so what was used then were some rolled up towels in the rear and the bipod. The legs on the bipod were folded forward so I didn't think pre-loading it was possible. I'll pay attention to that next time or possibly use the front bag instead.

Lastly, the entire 6 targets shown in the picture were shot with one fill beginning close to 230 bar, aprrox. 62 shots. The gauge read just under 150 bar afterwards. The first time I shot the RAW I noticed the POI dropping substantially at just above 100 bar. I have a chronograph coming my way toward the end of this week and plan to get a feel for velocities from a full fill to when it substantially drops off.

Having more fun than I should be allowed!
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62 seems like a lot for that gun. Marksman3006, how many shots were you getting on a refill? I've shot my BM500x enough to hear it come off the regulator now, to me its a much louder report. Doubt you'll notice as much on yours all things considered. I get between 28 and 30 shots filling to 230bar on my 30cal, I would be surprised if you got double with a 25cal.

Don't fret too much over what size rear bag to get. You can always put boards under it to raise it up. 

When you get your chrony, see what the velocity difference is on the different weights. Slower is lower POI and faster is higher POI.

When you get the time/money get some good wind flags. The wind drift at 100y with a air rifle is significant! On my 30cal shooting 44gr JSB with a right to left cross wind of 10mph the drift is over 10" from POA. 5mph is about 5"... So if had a 2-3 mph cross wind you got great groups.
 
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It's a one time setup on your scope, but before you even shoot, make sure that your eyepiece is focused on the reticle (most people use the sky or a white ceiling). Once done, then you can address the parallax while aiming on your target. If the target is in perfect focus you are parallax-free. I often focus on the small letters of any writing on the target paper before I move to the aimpoint. And yes, a cant indicator ("bubble") is a must) Ebay has them for about $4 from China, or improvise by taking a level measure (i.e. from Home Depot or Walmart) and pull out one of the bubbles and double-side tape it on a horizontal surface on your rifle or scope. It's a temporary measure until you get a decent one. 

https://www.leupold.com/life/help-desk/how-can-i-focus-so-the-reticle-is-clear/

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Anti-Cant-Bubble-Scope-Spirit-Level-For-20mm-Weave-Picatinny-Rail-Mounts-Sight-/291798347346?hash=item43f0896e52:g:K4YAAOSwc1FXaKyF

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Stanley-24-in-High-Impact-ABS-Level-42-468/202317053?cm_mmc=Shopping%7cTHD%7cG%7c0%7cG-BASE-PLA-D25T-HandTools%7c&gclid=Cj0KEQiA4JnCBRDQ5be3nKCPhpwBEiQAjwN1brFlgjdz36tOjL-wr4JIKpY56xqBuW6bDuPAlRYtAmEaAnTt8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds
 
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The scope u have coming will help
No comparison to what you have now. I have a raw HM 1000X in 25 cal. I was told when i picked it up it shot 920 but when i chronographed it it was only 888 and 887. I only checked 2 shots. I will be interested in your fps when u get your chronograph. Mine not shooting nearly as good as i thought it would.
 
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Just a couple of things I thought about..

Maybe your barrel needs a quick cleaning, nothing harsh just a couple of wet patches followed up with 3-4 dry. It won't hurt to experiment. Some barrels regardless of brand shoot better with regular cleaning, That could be every 50-75 shots or 200-300. My Vulcan Tac needed it probably every 100 before I polished the barrel. My FX500 seems to like a clean barrel as well. My Royale 400 and Daystate Regal not very often..

I was also wondering about your zero yardage and whether or not maybe your scope is on the verge of being maxed out. I've always understood the gun is less accurate if that's the case. If your not using some FX No Limits or the similar other brands that might let you re-center the scope optically for longer range shooting.

That's about all I can come up with other than what's been talked about already. At 100yds though and your feeling fairly confident in the shots I'd suspect the wind being the biggest influence.
jimmy
 
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Beeser..

Actually.. I think it looks promising. Her are my Questions....
What are you using for wind flags and how many are you using ?
How long have you been shooting airguns and more importantly .. how long have you been shooting at 100 yards?

Shooting at a 100 metes out door is really very difficult (in the wind). When you consider that a JSB 44 grain 30 cal pellet at 860 fps and using the factory BC of 0.042 with a 1 mph full value "Breeze" will push the pellet almost 1" at 100 meters... (and we get A Lot of wind here where the EBR is held)... Just ask SRGT004 how much fun he had last weekend at our local 100 meter match........

For the sake of accuracy the EBR is shot at 100 meters, please know that if your going to practice you might as well use the real distance. It dose not seem like much... but ..... 

This year the winning score was 217 out of 250. That means the average score per shot was 8.68 points.. when you reference the EBR target that means the average group size was approx 1.75 inches.....

Hope this helps.... I have some video and photos to post just don't have them ready to upload....

Mark
RAW - Phoenix Office

..and..SCALF I sent you a PM, if you have any questions about your RAW and its performance shoot me an email or call me.

 
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