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RAW .177-Can it run with the big dogs?

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jps2486

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I've had my RAW HM1000x chassis in .177 cal built by Martin Rutterford at Airguns-USA now for three weeks. I tested it at my local range and shot an EBR target with a score of 214 using Zan 13.4 gr slugs at 1010 fps. This encouraged me to use it at the next match.

Match day, the weather in Sparta was perfect. Light winds and 80 degree temperature. There were 15 seasoned competitors there using Red Pandas, Skouts, FX Mavericks, Impacts, Pantheras and Crowns. I was the only guy with a RAW. Two others showed up to shoot in the .177 class just to see how it went. One man had a Maverick and the other a Delta Wolf. The rest were shooting the usual .22, .25, and .30 rifles. Targets were 100 yard EBR.

We shot two relays and my scores were 182 and 211. The 211 should have been a 220, but I lost count of where I was and missed one bull and put two 9s in the next one. I also shot three relays with my Impact MK2 in .22 but my scores were so-so. I did qualify for the finals and was going to use the Impact, but a friend urged me to use the .177 RAW. I came in third with a 211 which pleased me very much. This was better than any other match I've shot here. I usually shoot Impacts in .22 and .30 cal. We were all humbled, however, by a young lady that won with a Crown .22 cal with a score of 222. Congratulations, Anna.

Bottom line? I think the .177 cal rifles are very capable of competing against larger calibers up to 100 yards. This was an interesting experiment to say the least. Did I say I really like my RAW rifle??
 
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I just got 28” 177 barrel for my ghost and it really likes 13 gr ko slugs and it’s surprisingly accurate at 100 yds. Outer circle 1&9/16” inner 1/2”
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Actually, I was pleasantly surprised by seeing yours and Chuck's 100 yard groups and scores with a .177 RAW.

After shooting 100y bench rest practice EBR and NUAH targets for years with .22 HP ( RAW HM1000x), Safari .25, RAW .30, FX Boss .25 and .30, and an Evol Paradigm .30; I never would have thought about using a .177 for 100y.

I recently bought a Martin built TM1000X .177 and I am delighted with the accuracy so far out to 50y for BR.

Shot my first N50 card with it on a quiet wind day. It's perfect for the 30 and 40y target challenges as well.

FWIW - I do think RAWs can run with the big dogs at 100Y with 'good' pellets. My trial with slugs and my .22 HP did not go well for me with slugs. Martin was not surprised either.

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Being able to shoot long range off my back porch is a blessing and a curse.

In my experience and in decent conditions....

.177 pellets average 100yard EBR scores in the 195-210 range, and that's from a gun that has shot multiple perfect scores in sub20 field target, so a VERY accurate gun. BC of about 0.032-0.034 (19fpe)

.20 pellets average 100 yard EBR scores in the 215-225 range, also from a proven exceptional gun. BC of about 0.048 (30fpe)

.22 pellets average 100 yard EBR scores in the 225-235 range, from the best example of a high power .22 I've had in-hand. BC of about 0.055 (58fpe)

BC is king for 100 yard accuracy with pellets.

(Edit-sorry, realized OP is talking .177 slugs, although BC is king will still apply there. In regards to BC the best .177 slug will be at a deficit to the best .22, or bigger, slug).
 
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Motorhead said:
Interesting as I've not spent any time launching .20's above 20fpe levels. Staying at or under 20 fpe I typically see .040-.044 BC out of my primary FT rig.
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The .20/15.89s around 915-920 for that 0.048 bc. Doesn't work for FT, but pretty dang awesome for general use, pesting and such, and serviceable for long range high power ft, if the targets are good and don't require a hell of a wallop on the paddle.
 
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Well the jsb knock out slugs I’m shooting have a bc of .066 but to get strelok to jive at 100 I had to bump bc to .075 I thought at first to be .09 but I was shooting faster than I thought, 1000fps vs 1025 fps. The main thing though is they seem to jive with strelok or better on the wind drift. I think I could beat my own score with 177 over 25-33.9 jsb pellets and I’ve shot 220-230 with the 25! I’m shooting a hp ft match with 177 sat will post how it goes
 
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Being able to shoot long range off my back porch is a blessing and a curse.

In my experience and in decent conditions....

.177 pellets average 100yard EBR scores in the 195-210 range, and that's from a gun that has shot multiple perfect scores in sub20 field target, so a VERY accurate gun. BC of about 0.032-0.034 (19fpe)

.20 pellets average 100 yard EBR scores in the 215-225 range, also from a proven exceptional gun. BC of about 0.048 (30fpe)

.22 pellets average 100 yard EBR scores in the 225-235 range, from the best example of a high power .22 I've had in-hand. BC of about 0.055 (58fpe)

BC is king for 100 yard accuracy with pellets.

(Edit-sorry, realized OP is talking .177 slugs, although BC is king will still apply there. In regards to BC the best .177 slug will be at a deficit to the best .22, or bigger, slug).
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Cole

Good analysis, and I liked the way you had it sequenced by caliber for 100Y BR distances.

Chuck, Paul - you have a big fan base of .177 RAW shooters who will be rooting you guys on for 100 yards with those KO’s.

Tom
 
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Franklink said:
Being able to shoot long range off my back porch is a blessing and a curse.

In my experience and in decent conditions....

.177 pellets average 100yard EBR scores in the 195-210 range, and that's from a gun that has shot multiple perfect scores in sub20 field target, so a VERY accurate gun. BC of about 0.032-0.034 (19fpe)

.20 pellets average 100 yard EBR scores in the 215-225 range, also from a proven exceptional gun. BC of about 0.048 (30fpe)

.22 pellets average 100 yard EBR scores in the 225-235 range, from the best example of a high power .22 I've had in-hand. BC of about 0.055 (58fpe)

BC is king for 100 yard accuracy with pellets.

(Edit-sorry, realized OP is talking .177 slugs, although BC is king will still apply there. In regards to BC the best .177 slug will be at a deficit to the best .22, or bigger, slug).
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In my experience, shooting pellets in .177 and .22 at 100 yards doesn't work well. 30 cal is ok.
 
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I've read your OP a couple times and it only find more questions each time I read it.

So you say three shooters (you and two others) showed up for the .177 class. When you say you were 3rd with the 211, was that out of those three? Or out of all 15 shooters?

Were the larger caliber shooters using pellets and you used slugs to beat the pellet shooters?

Just trying to understand what is being compared here. (That whole apples to apples versus apples to oranges thing. )
 
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@jps2486
I've read your OP a couple times and it only find more questions each time I read it.

So you say three shooters (you and two others) showed up for the .177 class. When you say you were 3rd with the 211, was that out of those three? Or out of all 15 shooters?

Were the larger caliber shooters using pellets and you used slugs to beat the pellet shooters?

Just trying to understand what is being compared here. (That whole apples to apples versus apples to oranges thing. )
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Please be aware that this was an informal match. The only limits were 100fpe. Most shooters used slugs, but one 30 cal shooter used pellets. We didn't really try to separate one from the other. I really doubt that .177 or .22 cal pellets would do well. Yes, I was third among the 15. I instigated the .177 class just to see who would be willing to bring rifles to compete in this and to see if the .177 would be effective. If I were the MD, I wouldn't place any limits as to what kind of projectile would be used. The best marksman is the winner. If you can't shoot pellets well, you are free to switch.
 
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