RAW HM100X VS Royale 500 at 97yds

[jking]

I thought my RAW might like sized a little as well but I think just weight sorted unsized is the best for it so far. I'm doing what I can to make either one as accurate as possible. It might be detrimental to the RAW so I think it was a fair comparison. If I could find a little trick that made the RAW shoot better on any given day I'd still say it was a fair comparison. Tomorrow my RAW might beat the 500. 
Jimmy

 

[SMH77]

"jking"I thought my RAW might like sized a little as well but I think just weight sorted unsized is the best for it so far. I'm doing what I can to make either one as accurate as possible. It might be detrimental to the RAW so I think it was a fair comparison. If I could find a little trick that made the RAW shoot better on any given day I'd still say it was a fair comparison. Tomorrow my RAW might beat the 500. 
Jimmy

I seem to recall several individuals mentioning that size sorting helped tighten up groups from the RAW-just as it does for any other gun-in severa other threads I’ve read here and other places on the internet. It would be worth a more direct comparison, imho, to shoot sized pellets from each gun in order to remove any un-intended biasing of results from the comparison. Again, I don’t mean to imply anything negative by my statement, just that I would be interested in seeing a literal comparison-same speeds, same pellets, same sorting applied to leave as much as possible solely to the guns in question.

 

[AirSupply]

The speed for one doesn’t work like that. To make everything the same would actually be unfair. The smooth twist has its sweet spot at the speed Jimmy is shoots it as does the RAW
Jimmy has given each gun what it needs to perform at its best. 
It is easy to get carried away in what was just a fun day comparing his two guns. 
As Jimmy says on another day the results could different. 

 

[SMH77]

"AirSupply"The speed for one doesn’t work like that. To make everything the same would actually be unfair. The smooth twist has its sweet spot at the speed Jimmy is shoots it as does the RAW
Jimmy has given each gun what it needs to perform at its best. 
It is easy to get carried away in what was just a fun day comparing his two guns. 
As Jimmy says on another day the results could different.

Cool, so for the next round of the comparison, let's shoot the FX at 900 with unsorted pellets and the RAW at 860 with sorted pellets.

I haven't seen a claim yet that the RAW (or any other gun, for that matter) shoots less fliers with unsorted ammo. And the majority of the cases say the RAW's shoot tighter in the 850-860 fps range, but hold closely in the low 900's, so-if the intent is to maximize it's accuracy, then the same treatment should be given to it that the FX had been given.

However, if you want to not discuss speed (which is fine) sorting alone will take out the fliers for the RAW and tighten up the groups to be more comparable to what was being seen by the Crown.

They're both great guns. I have my bias for one (though I wouldn't mind owning both) and you have yours for the opposite. Each can be seen in our posting histories-no need to hide it. The OP is fortunate enough to own both.

 

[AirSupply]

I honestly thought both groups where outstanding and called it a draw. . It is a Royal (modified)not a Crown which has a smooth twist barrel not a smooth-x barrel. 
I do like my Fx Impact but it is fitted with a Lothar Walther .25 Polygon barrel. 

 

[jking]

Hopefully when things settle down around here I can get back to testing the RAW with a little less speed. It's been a week since I was able to shoot due to work and weather. I settled at 890-895 because that's where it happened to be set when the groups finally started tightening up. I don't think it was necessarily that velocity that made it start grouping but finally getting the barrel good and seasoned with less cleaning. Who knows, even though it would shoot .20-.30 at fifty maybe it would help it at 97yds as well slowed down a little.

As far as sizing, the only thing that is being sized with my .252 sizing die is the skirt but I think this does help eliminate a few fliers and I think the OD of the pellets skirts being all the same going into the gun (the 500) has helped. I'm still working a better method to head size sort. I have tried using the same die on the weight sorted pellets for the RAW but so far I haven't notice the benefit. Nothing definite, good or bad.
Jimmy