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Ray Hill/Wicks Style Wind Flags

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thomasair said:
I balance my flags slightly tail heavy because it dampens the bobbing around that occurs with an even balance. Ray and I disagree on this subject. I think he must get much lower wind speeds where he lives because the super light , and short dual tails he usually provides are not very useful above about 3 mph.

Mike
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So just wondering how a slower flag helps in a lite wind?
He probably would send them without a tail and you could make your own?!
 
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MikeAllen said:
First of all, Ray Hill is alive and well and, thankfully, still making Wicks Style Wind Flags. And boy are they beautiful! I ordered and received three of them and couldn't be happier. They are beautifully made and highly sensitive and accurate. Best of all Ray is a great guy! He and his son are accomplished shooters - actually award winning. Ray can be reached at [email protected] . If you order his flags don't expect a rush job, but you CAN expect to receive what I believe to be the best wind flags available. By the way, he also has some very good advice on benchrest shooting using wind flags. Here's my previous post where it was suggested I contact Ray -
https://www.airgunnation.com/threads/looking-for-good-wind-flags.1314317/ and below are a few photos he sent to me.

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Of recent months my attempt to understand the wind, or my lack of understanding the wind, has me now playing with several different wind flags or windicators.

I have four that a very good buddy made for me in Ohio (sit on tripods and level type) very efficient.

Ray Hill's flags are absolutely exceptional fine workmanship - crazy responsive to even the slightest movement. They sit on some nice B&H tripods i purchased on Amazon and Ray's leveling system is da Bomb of crazy coolness. Rays health is waning with age but he says hes got a few more flags in him.

Thomas Orlando's Flags are also good they are the - poke in the earth fiberglass and or carbon type so they are a bit harder to level up or change the height.

I also have two different cheap amazon types - poke in the earth and they are just so so.

I have also created some very basic engineering streamers which in their own way may be just fine.

I am also laying out field target reset lines close to my wind flags @thomasair . I am comparing, and writing down almost all of the subtle information these wind toy methods are conveying to me but jeez... there are some bizarre things that wind can and does do.

Yesterday i was looking at a wind flag streamer (elevation 36") through my scope and the streamer was hanging straight down with no real indication of direction; yet the grass in front of the field target itself, just a few feet away at ground level, was definitely moving left to right.

Wow what a revelation - just a change a foot or so from the ground and the wind speed increases; way high up, even more so.

Point is, I am wondering if a wind meter that i can blue tooth to my phone will aid in my understanding of this crazy visual data field because i am not that good at guessing

I am also told that the wind closest to your muzzle has a more pronounced effect on the pellet.

input and ideas welcome on this topic.
 
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thomasair said:
I balance my flags slightly tail heavy because it dampens the bobbing around that occurs with an even balance. Ray and I disagree on this subject. I think he must get much lower wind speeds where he lives because the super light , and short dual tails he usually provides are not very useful above about 3 mph.

Mike
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that little pearl of wisdom may help me a LOT!
 
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cavedweller said:
Of recent months my attempt to understand the wind, or my lack of understanding the wind, has me now playing with several different wind flags or windicators.

I have four that a very good buddy made for me in Ohio (sit on tripods and level type) very efficient.

Ray Hill's flags are absolutely exceptional fine workmanship - crazy responsive to even the slightest movement. They sit on some nice B&H tripods i purchased on Amazon and Ray's leveling system is da Bomb of crazy coolness. Rays health is waning with age but he says hes got a few more flags in him.

Thomas Orlando's Flags are also good they are the - poke in the earth fiberglass and or carbon type so they are a bit harder to level up or change the height.

I also have two different cheap amazon types - poke in the earth and they are just so so.

I have also created some very basic engineering streamers which in their own way may be just fine.

I am also laying out field target reset lines close to my wind flags @thomasair . I am comparing, and writing down almost all of the subtle information these wind toy methods are conveying to me but jeez... there are some bizarre things that wind can and does do.

Yesterday i was looking at a wind flag streamer (elevation 36") through my scope and the streamer was hanging straight down with no real indication of direction; yet the grass in front of the field target itself, just a few feet away at ground level, was definitely moving left to right.

Wow what a revelation - just a change a foot or so from the ground and the wind speed increases; way high up, even more so.

Point is, I am wondering if a wind meter that i can blue tooth to my phone will aid in my understanding of this crazy visual data field because i am not that good at guessing

I am also told that the wind closest to your muzzle has a more pronounced effect on the pellet.

input and ideas welcome on this topic.
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I have this little gem. Works great via bluetooth (up to 100 feet (so they say - mine not quite that far). It also integrates to a couple of ballistics calculators like Chairgun Elite, which I use. Good luck with your journey into wind reading HELL!!! :ROFLMAO:
https://tempest.earth/weather-meter-for-shooting/
 
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MikeAllen said:
I have this little gem. Works great via bluetooth (up to 100 feet (so they say - mine not quite that far). It also integrates to a couple of ballistics calculators like Chairgun Elite, which I use. Good luck with your journey into wind reading HELL!!! :ROFLMAO:
https://tempest.earth/weather-meter-for-shooting/
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Mine is not Bluetooth but used for learning what the flags are telling you , just in your yard . i will take a chair out say 30 yards and set a 10 meter target up for something to do . Feel a change look at the meter and the flag .
 
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beerthief said:
Mine is not Bluetooth but used for learning what the flags are telling you , just in your yard . i will take a chair out say 30 yards and set a 10 meter target up for something to do . Feel a change look at the meter and the flag .
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that's kinda my idea... not so much shooting per see, but gleaning the info and understanding what flags, strings, leaves, branches and grasses all mean collectively and individually.
 
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cavedweller said:
that's kinda my idea... not so much shooting per see, but gleaning the info and understanding what flags, strings, leaves, branches and grasses all mean collectively and individually.
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yes i think my wind meter was $23 , maybe $49 ? forgot I bought it to fly large kites and steerable ones .
 
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