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Re-"design" a new Field Target game

I am relatively new to FT and as such have little to offer in specifics of "the game", but i can offer some observations from the short time that i have participated in it...

A common theme in this (and many other threads) is the growing of the sport. As I read the suggestions for growing the participation a old saying comes to mind: "figure out whether you have been shot, stabbed, snake-bit, or powderburned." I plan to participate in this sport for as long as I can safely handle a gun, and that decision has almost nothing to do with the rules or format of the game, nor the difficulty factor. I think all the ideas offered above have merit, but may not be addressing some other more relevant issues. I have been "hooked" by the people first and foremost ... match directors like Ron R., Ben S., Rex J. and fellow competitors like Dan, Cole, Bobby, Jeff C, Billy D, Dave C. and so many more. They made me feel welcomed and mitigated my feelings of being a Noob. They were people that I could relate to and related to me.

Bear with me as I relate a (imo) relevant anecdote: I was at my local range practicing and struck up a conversation with another shooter about airgun advancements and the cost of my Alpha Wolf. He said he could relate as his son was into paintball in a big way and that was very expensive. He said to his son, "I could go out and buy 3 good hunting rifles for what i paid for your paintball set up!", to which the son replied "Yeah, but you can't shoot your friends with them."

Young people, old people, men, women, we all want a reference group that we can relate to and interact on a common basis with. That is the "hook" for me. The competition, the challenge, the difficulty, the rules, these all take a very distant third (second is getting new toys;)) to being around like-minded, friendly, and generous people. While the young man mentioned in the anecdote above may have enjoyed hunting with his Dad, it sounds like he preferred hanging out with and "shooting his friends".

All this to say that while re-imagining or "re-designing" FT may be a valid and a worthwhile endeavor, it may not be addressing the "3 R's" of group participation growth: recruit, retain, return. The re-design goal of primarily to make it easier to knock a target down will make the sport easier. It will not necessarily grow participation. If the goal is to grow participation, perhaps some thought into what makes people participate in any given activity is in order.
Most excellent post!
 
Good post. We have been talking about "growth" for as long as I've been shooting field target. While we have seen a slight increase in shooters at our matches in the last 10 years, I don't think it's from a real effort to grow. For us (at ASC), I think the key is consistency. If people know that we are going to have a match on the same day every month, and it's going to be a good match without drama or circus music, people will come. We lose a few people every year to age, re-location or change of interest, but we are net positive every year.

Back when I used to have a real job, the thinking was that it's easier and cheaper to retain employees than to hire new employees. Same goes for field target, which is why more effort is put into keeping the current shooters happy than changing things to attract new shooters.
wow another excellent post... !
 
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We have a youth day at our club every year where kids come out and shoot basically everything that the club has to offer. Over the years we have had well over a thousand kids shoot Marauders at steel targets. Of those 1,000+ kids that have been introduced to field target, we have had exactly 0 show up to a match. I'm hoping that we'll start seeing some of these kids in about 30 years.
We even hosted a station at a "women's day" at our range for a few years. Different shooting opportunities that ranged from firearm pistols, shotguns, high power, black powder, and airguns. Hundreds upon hundreds came through. Not one ended up sticking around. The most success... was with one of our hosts scoring some dates out of a hottie coming through.
 
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We even hosted a station at a "women's day" at our range for a few years. Different shooting opportunities that ranged from firearm pistols, shotguns, high power, black powder, and airguns. Hundreds upon hundreds came through. Not one ended up sticking around. The most success... was with one of our hosts scoring some dates out of a hottie coming through.
Interesting - thinking and comparing to CMP and NROTC programs? Olympic pipelines. Kids like peers they know around but so much has changed.
 
A sub35 fpe in xft is probably equivalent to shooting a CO2 or multi pump in regular ft... extremely unlikely to produce any reasonable chance of hitting a moderate difficulty shot. There's a very obvious fpe friendly gap, that covers the most available airguns on the market.

I offerred a 35 FP (maximum) class from the get-go in my TEXtreme Field Target program, based on the same logic you mention (that 20-35 FP may be the most popular and populous energy level among American PCP shooters). The 35 FP class didn't fly; but I still offer that class, and prizes for it if at least 5 shooters enter. Hasn't happened.

Consequently it's not realistic to have a separate event and/or course for 35 FP.

Truth be told, there is not enough participation in field target competitions to further dilute divisions or classes. It is often suggested, but doesn't work.

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I think the most limiting factor in gaining new participants is the distance to travel . i can be considered lucky to have a FT course near me .
NEAR ME , lets consider that term , 2 hours and 15 minutes drive(@70mph) . OK, i need to wake up at 4:30 am leave the house at 05:30 am
arrive at 07:30 Have fun till 2:30 PM pack up go home arrive at 5 pm and take care of all my stuff
Personally i set my FT "range" up in a single line ,10 targets in one lane @ random distances , no strings , just walk out and reset .
I also shoot target #1 then #10 ,#2 ,#9 and so on
 
This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but the reason why it's hard to retain young shooters and kids is because it's a fairly boring sport. The things that make it a good sport for old guys also make it boring for young guys. Before you warm up the flame thrower, think about what you were doing in your 20s or 30s for fun. If you have disposable income and are still fairly flexible, there are a lot of shooting sports out there that are a lot of fun. Then, once your body and bank account start to get worn out, you might "discover" field target. If you ask a field target shooter if they used to shoot something else, almost all of them will say that they did, but they either aged out of the other sport or it got too expensive.

We have a youth day at our club every year where kids come out and shoot basically everything that the club has to offer. Over the years we have had well over a thousand kids shoot Marauders at steel targets. Of those 1,000+ kids that have been introduced to field target, we have had exactly 0 show up to a match. I'm hoping that we'll start seeing some of these kids in about 30 years.

Another great example of good intentions gone horribly unrewarded-

Shortly after I successfully recruited none other than Bob D.(🤬) and Jerry C.(😁) into field target, they decided to set up a table at a huge paintball event, on the DELUSION of recruiting young people into field target.🤣 Having (then) already been actively recruiting FT newbies for over a decade, I told them they would be wasting their time trying to recruit young people.

Nevertheless they set up their recruiting table only a few yards from registration; so every one of the hundreds of paintballers had to see them.🤮 Nary a single paintballer would engage them in conversation.:oops:

An enthusiastic, but admittedly flawed FT recruiter, I HAVE grown FT participation over the last quarter-century. However I'm Realist enough to concentrate my recruiting efforts around the adage, "Choose your battles wisely".

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I agree with @scotton that younger folks enjoy something more entertaining. I've played paintball for a stent in college just as a stress buster and it was great for that. I have always shot some type of bow in competitions for years until it got boring to me. Same for handgun silhouette, skeet,trap, PRS. It's all fun or we wouldn't do it and spend the money to play the game. That is it these are just games we play to pass the time and enjoy it. Our interests change, health changes and people move on. I'm sure I will shoot air rifles for a bit and move on. Cost is always a factor for any hobby we enjoy but people will spend it because the want to play the game. My 23yd old loves to hunt with CF and bows doesn't shoot outside that. His thing is golf. My 9yr old shooting interest last my 15 minutes shooting spinners and little longer shooting critters but he gets bored and wants to do something else. But Scott summed it up pretty well FT is pretty boring and most come from other shooting endeavors and due to health or lifestyle changes(moving) are trying it to keep shooting.
 
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My 9yr old shooting interest last my 15 minutes shooting spinners and little longer shooting critters but he gets bored and wants to do something else.

I'm not disagreeing with a lot of that. Mine's 11 and enjoys can plinking with the Ryder for a bit, though I think it's similar in that you can only shoot the same 10 spinners or 6 cans until it's boring. Part of this issue is size, a heavier longer gun like a marauder or huntsman is difficult for someone of that size to use, let alone balancing safely on sticks. I'm gonna let him run a FT match with the notos, since it's more his size. If he's happy with faceplate scores, then we'll see where it goes.

There's very few (as far as I know) well shared youth airgun specific sports outside of 10m. Thus my goal of suggesting a different kind of FT that could bring in more juniors (and newbies)...kind of a 'step into it' where you can have tons of fun without needing quite the minimum investment.
 
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I'm not disagreeing with a lot of that. Mine's 11 and enjoys can plinking with the Ryder for a bit, though I think it's similar in that you can only shoot the same 10 spinners or 6 cans until it's boring. Part of this issue is size, a heavier longer gun like a marauder or huntsman is difficult for someone of that size to use, let alone balancing safely on sticks. I'm gonna let him run a FT match with the notos, since it's more his size. If he's happy with faceplate scores, then we'll see where it goes.

There's very few (as far as I know) well shared youth airgun specific sports outside of 10m. Thus my goal of suggesting a different kind of FT that could bring in more juniors (and newbies)...kind of a 'step into it' where you can have tons of fun without needing quite the minimum investment.
I set my 9yr old with a maurader 22 pistol with the ar15 adjustable stock. It's tuned with the 13s and it's very light with a little UTG scope on it. He hasn't went to a match yet with it but he's put a dent in the starlings and pigeons here on the farm.
 
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I think the most limiting factor in gaining new participants is the distance to travel . i can be considered lucky to have a FT course near me .
NEAR ME , lets consider that term , 2 hours and 15 minutes drive(@70mph) . OK, i need to wake up at 4:30 am leave the house at 05:30 am
arrive at 07:30 Have fun till 2:30 PM pack up go home arrive at 5 pm and take care of all my stuff
Personally i set my FT "range" up in a single line ,10 targets in one lane @ random distances , no strings , just walk out and reset .
I also shoot target #1 then #10 ,#2 ,#9 and so on
Slacker 😂I’m up at 4 leave at 5 driving 3 hours - ok we love field target so!
 
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I've always been a plinker at heart... had to most fun shooting little things far away.

My wife and I were part of the group that started Phoenix Airgunners (gone now) in around 1991 and we have set up a good number of courses. When the participation dwindled, we started shooting with Airgunners of Az. We did a lot of camping then so everywhere we went we would scope out possible ft venues. We are fortunate in Az to have a lot of public land. We found and used a good number of little hidden treasure sites. Now with the plinking preference, I would always try to use the terrain and flora to create a nice and interesting variety on the lanes.

So fast forward a few years, we found the place where we currently live and one of the factors was the potential shooting range and ft courses. We've hosted a good number of events here... much like Ron in Tx (VERY nice btw). My favorite of all that we ever did was :
A 10 lane, 40 shot ft match just for QUALIFYING . I had a max 10X on scope mag and gave all the distances. I have made several bells and really enjoy them so at least a couple get used every match, including this one. Hung them from trees as much as 30 ft in the air or hidden in the brush, most people enjoyed them. My favorite target of all was a side falling 1/2" that I stuck on a log hung vertically from a tree. I was tethered to face the lane but could swing from the reset or wind moving the tree... Anyway, the top 12 from qualifying went on to shoot a 10 stage , sudden death shootoff. The various stages had things like army men, plastic African game, silhouettes, marbles, paintballs, and other stuff till the final stage. That was a bell I made where you had to shoot into a curved conduit to ring the bell. A 34" @ 45 yds and a 1/2" if they hit the 3/4. It worked out that there were only 2 finalists... both hit the 3/4 but one missed the 1/2"... There were a good number of participants so it was fun watching all the stages be shot and some good natured heckling going on as well.
So that's kind of a long story but that's MY favorite concept of a fun match...
Bob
 
I've always been a plinker at heart... had to most fun shooting little things far away.

My wife and I were part of the group that started Phoenix Airgunners (gone now) in around 1991 and we have set up a good number of courses. When the participation dwindled, we started shooting with Airgunners of Az. We did a lot of camping then so everywhere we went we would scope out possible ft venues. We are fortunate in Az to have a lot of public land. We found and used a good number of little hidden treasure sites. Now with the plinking preference, I would always try to use the terrain and flora to create a nice and interesting variety on the lanes.

So fast forward a few years, we found the place where we currently live and one of the factors was the potential shooting range and ft courses. We've hosted a good number of events here... much like Ron in Tx (VERY nice btw). My favorite of all that we ever did was :
A 10 lane, 40 shot ft match just for QUALIFYING . I had a max 10X on scope mag and gave all the distances. I have made several bells and really enjoy them so at least a couple get used every match, including this one. Hung them from trees as much as 30 ft in the air or hidden in the brush, most people enjoyed them. My favorite target of all was a side falling 1/2" that I stuck on a log hung vertically from a tree. I was tethered to face the lane but could swing from the reset or wind moving the tree... Anyway, the top 12 from qualifying went on to shoot a 10 stage , sudden death shootoff. The various stages had things like army men, plastic African game, silhouettes, marbles, paintballs, and other stuff till the final stage. That was a bell I made where you had to shoot into a curved conduit to ring the bell. A 34" @ 45 yds and a 1/2" if they hit the 3/4. It worked out that there were only 2 finalists... both hit the 3/4 but one missed the 1/2"... There were a good number of participants so it was fun watching all the stages be shot and some good natured heckling going on as well.
So that's kind of a long story but that's MY favorite concept of a fun match...
Bob

I was present for that one and it was one of my favorite matches. The 10x and given distances completely did away with the otherwise ever-present frustration of ranging by focus and the fact that more expensive scopes range better. Ie it put everyone on the same footing, scope wise.

Watching those final rounds was nearly as fun as shooting all the fun tiny little targets too. Seems like Lauren P and Mike S were the finalists on the curves conduit dinger.

One of my top airgun memories was during lunch on your patio, somebody dared me to hit the bell target way up in the tree with your .177 Red Wolf, 16 grain pellets if I remember correctly. And your patio is of course a decent distance from the course. I kinda rested on your grill and dinged that baby on the second shot, lol. Something like 75-80 yards if memory serves.

Fun times and good memories.
 
We've done a couple shoots using a field of these kyl, 1/20 scale silhouettes plus an added 3/16" wide blade for a 5th target. We set 2 frames per lane at random distances (10-50yd) with one shot per target and usually 10 lanes. Set-up and tear down are really quick as there is no staking or line running. It's certainly challenging lol.
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I've always been a plinker at heart... had to most fun shooting little things far away.

My wife and I were part of the group that started Phoenix Airgunners (gone now) in around 1991 and we have set up a good number of courses. When the participation dwindled, we started shooting with Airgunners of Az. We did a lot of camping then so everywhere we went we would scope out possible ft venues. We are fortunate in Az to have a lot of public land. We found and used a good number of little hidden treasure sites. Now with the plinking preference, I would always try to use the terrain and flora to create a nice and interesting variety on the lanes.

So fast forward a few years, we found the place where we currently live and one of the factors was the potential shooting range and ft courses. We've hosted a good number of events here... much like Ron in Tx (VERY nice btw). My favorite of all that we ever did was :
A 10 lane, 40 shot ft match just for QUALIFYING . I had a max 10X on scope mag and gave all the distances. I have made several bells and really enjoy them so at least a couple get used every match, including this one. Hung them from trees as much as 30 ft in the air or hidden in the brush, most people enjoyed them. My favorite target of all was a side falling 1/2" that I stuck on a log hung vertically from a tree. I was tethered to face the lane but could swing from the reset or wind moving the tree... Anyway, the top 12 from qualifying went on to shoot a 10 stage , sudden death shootoff. The various stages had things like army men, plastic African game, silhouettes, marbles, paintballs, and other stuff till the final stage. That was a bell I made where you had to shoot into a curved conduit to ring the bell. A 34" @ 45 yds and a 1/2" if they hit the 3/4. It worked out that there were only 2 finalists... both hit the 3/4 but one missed the 1/2"... There were a good number of participants so it was fun watching all the stages be shot and some good natured heckling going on as well.
So that's kind of a long story but that's MY favorite concept of a fun match...
Bob
Ohhhhh i do like spice and your setups sound spicy! I believe i bought a number of your ol clubs targets from Mike Smith aka @Sturkis RIP
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I was present for that one and it was one of my favorite matches. The 10x and given distances completely did away with the otherwise ever-present frustration of ranging by focus and the fact that more expensive scopes range better. Ie it put everyone on the same footing, scope wise.

Watching those final rounds was nearly as fun as shooting all the fun tiny little targets too. Seems like Lauren P and Mike S were the finalists on the curves conduit dinger.

One of my top airgun memories was during lunch on your patio, somebody dared me to hit the bell target way up in the tree with your .177 Red Wolf, 16 grain pellets if I remember correctly. And your patio is of course a decent distance from the course. I kinda rested on your grill and dinged that baby on the second shot, lol. Something like 75-80 yards if memory serves.

Fun times and good memories.
that would make you a "hot shot" resting on a grill.
 
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We've done a couple shoots using a field of these kyl, 1/20 scale silhouettes plus an added 3/16" wide blade for a 5th target. We set 2 frames per lane at random distances (10-50yd) with one shot per target and usually 10 lanes. Set-up and tear down are really quick as there is no staking or line running. It's certainly challenging lol.
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@rob_g: did someone with eagle eyes or binoculars have to verify the hit?
 
I was present for that one and it was one of my favorite matches. The 10x and given distances completely did away with the otherwise ever-present frustration of ranging by focus and the fact that more expensive scopes range better. Ie it put everyone on the same footing, scope wise.

Watching those final rounds was nearly as fun as shooting all the fun tiny little targets too. Seems like Lauren P and Mike S were the finalists on the curves conduit dinger.

One of my top airgun memories was during lunch on your patio, somebody dared me to hit the bell target way up in the tree with your .177 Red Wolf, 16 grain pellets if I remember correctly. And your patio is of course a decent distance from the course. I kinda rested on your grill and dinged that baby on the second shot, lol. Something like 75-80 yards if memory serves.

Fun times and good memories.
Anyone have a pic of a bell target and the conduit set up ?
 
Anyone have a pic of a bell target and the conduit set up ?

I dug pretty hard but couldn't find one of the bell target where you had to shoot through the curved conduit.

I did find some photos of some of the other described targets though (bell up in the tree, and target on a swinging log).