Recommendations: Best scope with most holdover points. Moa or Mil. No dialing.

[Chard]

Some people, me included, dont like dialing and just use holdover. The problem is most scopes don't have enough "built in" moa /mil in the reticle for long distance. What are some good options for up to 400 yards? Around 1k or less.. Thank you.

 

[starlingassn]

i have had enough aim points in most scopes to go out past 150yds,
how far out are you trying to go?

 

[Motorhead]

Grid2

How many more hold points one need ?
U.S. Armed forces SNIPER SCOPE FFP .... Hold or click it ( Mil Rad )

SCHMIDT*BENDER 5-25x56 PMII

 

[Raysfan]

Grid2

How many more hold points one need ?
U.S. Armed forces SNIPER SCOPE FFP .... Hold or click it ( Mil Rad )

SCHMIDT*BENDER 5-25x56 PMII

Could you tell me where you located that grid? I would like to print one off to use as a reference chart for holdover for my new HFT setup.
Thank you sir.

 

[qball]

Elmer optics Helix FFP has 20 mil holdover on 6x or enough for 200-300 yards.

 

[RM.510bigbore]

Most new.Christmas tree recticles seem to have 10 to 12 mil in the recticle. So.that's how far you can shoot with FFP recticle.is.say 10 mil. Many scope manufacturer such recticles Arken Athlon Vortex ECT.

 

[Chard]

i have had enough aim points in most scopes to go out past 150yds,
how far out are you trying to go?

Just paper targets. 200 to 400+

 

[Chard]

Grid2

How many more hold points one need ?
U.S. Armed forces SNIPER SCOPE FFP .... Hold or click it ( Mil Rad )

SCHMIDT*BENDER 5-25x56 PMII

Yes. Thank you. I forgot to mention not S&B money. Less than 1500 preferably.

 

[Chard]

I have a vector 4-16 ffp. I think it is 20 or 22 mil. I was just looking for other options.

 

[Chard]

Elmer optics Helix FFP has 20 mil holdover on 6x or enough for 200-300 yards.

I have seen a few mixed reviews. Do you like yours? They are a bit heavy.

 

[qball]

I have seen a few mixed reviews. Do you like yours? They are a bit heavy.

For the money they are hard to beat. Some people don’t like the tight eye box but for precision shooting a tight eye box is a “feature”. Helix is pretty normal in weight, most precision scopes are very heavy. Titan is quite heavy but not out of norm.

 

[Chard]

For the money they are hard to beat. Some people don’t like the tight eye box but for precision shooting a tight eye box is a “feature”. Helix is pretty normal in weight, most precision scopes are very heavy. Titan is quite heavy but not out of norm.

Thank you! They are back on my list.

 

[qball]

Thank you! They are back on my list.

While I like the Helix a LOT but I dial with them and I think that's where they really shine! If you use hold over then there are better glass in the similar price range.

 

[Motorhead]

Could you tell me where you located that grid? I would like to print one off to use as a reference chart for holdover for my new HFT setup.
Thank you sir.

I own one for starters .... Otherwise just google Schmidt Bender GRID 2 reticle
* Click on the RED hi-lighted Grid 2 ... it will pop up so you can copy it etc ..

 

[Chard]

While I like the Helix a LOT but I dial with them and I think that's where they really shine! If you use hold over then there are better glass in the similar price range.

Like what? I've looked at a Leopold mark 4 i think. Maybe I should drop my budget..

 

[qball]

Like what? I've looked at a Leopold mark 4 i think. Maybe I should drop my budget..

Athlon and vector optics come to mind but there are many budget scopes with very good glass. But not sure about the reticle you wanted.

 

[smythsg]

Vector Optics Marksman... not a busy reticle but lots of hold over marks.

 

[steve123]

Look into Horus Vision Optics. I like them and had a lot of success in long range steel matches with these reticles in the past. The H59 is still one of my favorites.

But FFP scopes on low power while viewing the reticle near the bottom of the FOV is far from ideal. I know, because like you, I used to holdover most of the time. I don't holdover much past 7-8 mils anymore and keep the scopes at 15x or so when I do this so the hashes I'm using aren't at the bottom of the FOV.

 

[Chard]

Look into Horus Vision Optics. I like them and had a lot of success in long range steel matches with these reticles in the past. The H59 is still one of my favorites.

But FFP scopes on low power while viewing the reticle near the bottom of the FOV is far from ideal. I know, because like you, I used to holdover most of the time. I don't holdover much past 7-8 mils anymore and keep the scopes at 15x or so when I do this so the hashes I'm using aren't at the bottom of the FOV.

Thanks again Steve. I hadnt heard of Hours yet. Lots of options I know but a good place top start. Gracias!

 

[qball]

Thanks again Steve. I hadnt heard of Hours yet. Lots of options I know but a good place top start. Gracias!

If you shoot long range you eventually will start to dial. If you do dial then the element scopes can’t be beat in that use case, unbelievably good!