I have zero knowledge about red dot's. I have looked through the forums and found a few things but it all seems Chinese. Can anyone direct me in the way to find some Red Dot basics/101?
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Red dot sights for pistol
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To help guide you and give the proper response, what shooting disciplines are you wanting to do with it, what airgun is it going on, and how long of a range do you shoot at etc?
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I will be mounting it on a GK1 and just shooting for fun. I have a 100 yd range on my property so I will be shooting there.
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In general, the smaller MOA the dot, the more precise you will be. I've found 2-3 MOA fine for plinking. I would look at the Holosun brand as they have some nice red dots. Note that if you have an asitgmatism, the dot might look like a grape cluster; especially if you choose a cheaper red dot. Holosun does make some with a chevron opposed to a dot. I prefer them for a bit more precision.
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I really like the Hawke dots. 3MOA works well for me. I have an astigmatism the Hawke is the first inexpensive dot that I can use effectively. Usually on pistols I do t shoot past 20 yards or so.
if I had a GK1, I would opt for something smaller and more expensive. Check out the several GK threads, you will see some very nice dot set ups.
if I had a GK1, I would opt for something smaller and more expensive. Check out the several GK threads, you will see some very nice dot set ups.
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Rob is spot on. Look at the different choices in reticles to determine what you'll like. For example, a 2 moa and smaller dots are best for accuracy. A 2 moa dot and 32 moa circle is great for coming up on target and centering faster, especially with a pistol. Also, there's two distinct types of "red dots," the pistol reflex sight and the AR type of red dot sight. I run a pistol reflex sight with a GK1 red dot mount, whereas Struckat uses the AR type. Another feature of each type is shake awake, versus flipping a switch on and off. And something I inadvertently discovered is many manufacturers advertise them as parallax free, and it isn't always the case. This is an important feature if using it for accurate long range shooting.
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I got this Holosun green dot 2 moa for my Huben GK1 .25 and love it, it auto turns on, easy to sight, and a pleasure to use
View attachment GK1 dec2024.pdf
View attachment GK1 dec2024.pdf
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How is the parallax error on this particular model? And, approximately what is the size or scale to the bottom of the chevron ACSS Vulcan reticle for holdover purposes?
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No...I've put up a "few" bits of information about red / green dot sights.
The FIRST GOOD bit of information is...if you have an astigmatism (your eyes)...DON'T blame the sight for a fuzzy dot. It's you that creates the bad view of the dot, NOT the sight. Well, I guess you could buy one of those $30 sights and...well...
Look up my postings on the dot sights, they'll tell you quite a bit.
Also, you don't mention what your willing to pay. They run from $30 to over $1000, pick one !
Holosun, Sig Sauer, are two of the better brands. They both have slightly less expensive sights, as well as...more expensive sights. Holosun is one of the better brands, and YEAH...sorry, while they are designed in the US, most, if not all are made in...China.
But, they are one of the TOP three dot sights made.
Most of my dot sights are made by Holosun (both firearms and air guns). They offer things that MANY do not. Like 50,000 battery life ! More companies are starting to, but Holosun still tops that spec. Some have "shakawake", many do not. Leave the sight "on". It will shut itself off...then it will turn itself back on as soon as you pick the gun up.
Mike
The FIRST GOOD bit of information is...if you have an astigmatism (your eyes)...DON'T blame the sight for a fuzzy dot. It's you that creates the bad view of the dot, NOT the sight. Well, I guess you could buy one of those $30 sights and...well...
Look up my postings on the dot sights, they'll tell you quite a bit.
Also, you don't mention what your willing to pay. They run from $30 to over $1000, pick one !
Holosun, Sig Sauer, are two of the better brands. They both have slightly less expensive sights, as well as...more expensive sights. Holosun is one of the better brands, and YEAH...sorry, while they are designed in the US, most, if not all are made in...China.
But, they are one of the TOP three dot sights made.
Most of my dot sights are made by Holosun (both firearms and air guns). They offer things that MANY do not. Like 50,000 battery life ! More companies are starting to, but Holosun still tops that spec. Some have "shakawake", many do not. Leave the sight "on". It will shut itself off...then it will turn itself back on as soon as you pick the gun up.
Mike
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With red dots I can shot pistols again,, Also do not forget about the Prism scopes ,, You can get a very good cheap red dot or Prism scope for a little over 100 bucks just to see if you like it , I have a 125, dollar CV live red dot that I can't tell the difference in my 400 dollar red dot sight, Being 1/2 blind does not help any at all,
Mike
Mike
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I've owned Holosun green dot scopes (green maybe superior for eye glass wearers than red) with the shake awake technology for years with no issues.
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May I chime in? I had several good quality red dots in sub $100 delivered by amazon dot ca.
I am not sure how is the US market with these Chinese toys, but here in Canada we can get really good products for fractions you Southern folks talking about piece prices.
Last time - in 2023 I guess - I got this one for peanuts...and works surprisingly great with airguns. What is this some $50 USD ???
www.amazon.ca/dp/B08RB3G14S?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title[/URL]
Just saying.... I know I hear stories about resistance towards Asian products but pretty much everything is made there anyway.
I am not sure how is the US market with these Chinese toys, but here in Canada we can get really good products for fractions you Southern folks talking about piece prices.
Last time - in 2023 I guess - I got this one for peanuts...and works surprisingly great with airguns. What is this some $50 USD ???
www.amazon.ca/dp/B08RB3G14S?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title[/URL]
Just saying.... I know I hear stories about resistance towards Asian products but pretty much everything is made there anyway.
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I find the green dot much easier to see, is crisp, and the chevron makes it fast to be on target. I have been mainly shooting 15 to 50 yards and got used to it so I can quickly be on target and do minor adjustments naturally on longer shots.
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I like the chevron / vulcan for this pistol application as you can in an instant sight in and be hitting a target and on paper target it seems easy to adjust as needed for height to be more specific placement. For my M4 rifle that has extreme accuracy and range so then a quality scope with mil tree is what I use. Remember this is a pistol, this picture below gives you a better visual on how fast you can be on target...
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Prime -
I'm not sure what you are trying to show, but from what it looks like, for using a dot sight correctly...it's VERY wrong !!
The dot can be ANYWHERE, within the window, and as long as the dot is over the target, you will hit. High centered, lower right corner...it DOESN'T matter !!!
Now...if you are trying to cowitness the iron sight and the dot, then yes, the picture above is correct.
BUT WHY...would you even think of doing that. THAT's why you are buying / using a dot sight in the first place ! BOTH eyes open, look at the "target" and just notice the dot over (or under as I do) the target, and...pull the trigger.
And to Mr. HUN, above -
You need to grow up and smell the roses ! At least 80% of ALL electronics are made in...China ! Deal with it. And, for your information. How about that computer you are working on ??? Or 90% of the elctronics within that computer !!! I've had various Holosun sights (made in...China) and had ZERO problems in the 5+ years of ownership.
You want proof...check out "Sage Dynamics" videos in YouTube. He'll show you just how...good a Holosun (made in...China) is ! Along with a few other top brands, (made in...China) are.
Mike
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He is showing the ACSS Vulcan reticle on the Holosun. It has a chevron and a 232 (I think) MOA circle. The circle is helpful for shooters new to red dots to easily find the dot. If you are already proficient with a red dot sight, you dont need it.
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I know shooting with a red dot takes some practice, I like to keep the dot sight as low on the pistol as I can get and as far back as I can get the sights,
It helps me with my quick point and shoot practice , And the quick point and shoot helps my hand eye timing of finding the dot,
Mike
It helps me with my quick point and shoot practice , And the quick point and shoot helps my hand eye timing of finding the dot,
Mike
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@MikeVV, @primaz is correctly using an image of the Holosun HE507C-GR-X2-ACSS red dot sight showing how the design of the ring around the chevron gets you on target faster. Further, only if that optic's glass is ground and polished correctly will it be parallax free and subsequently "hit" exactly where aiming if the dot is anywhere but centered with the eye and box. Red Dots all tend to advertise "parallax free " but in testing, they usually not error free, off by several moa. Now, this particular model, advertising made with a more precise aiming unit, is probably real close to error free. I'd like to see the results of this in testing, if ypu could @primaz .
Look at this advertising for the sight,
Holosun HE507C-GR-X2 Pistol Green Dot Sight - ACSS® Vulcan™ Reticle
The Holosun HE507C-GR-X2-ACSS is a new generation of pistol red dot sight packed full of features like the multiple reticle system, solar failsafe, and shake awake technology to ensure your reflex sight is always operational when you need it.
www.primaryarms.com
and also watch this video showing how much different manufacturer's are not truly parallax free.
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I have four or five ACSS recital Holosun sights. Also a couple of Primary Arms ACSS prism scopes.
They work EXACTLY the same as the round dot version ! The only difference is...the upside down "V" , period.
I also have a couple of the Meprolight, M21, and an M22. They ALSO have an upside down (solid) triangle. Again, they work the SAME as a...dot sight.
I stand by my comments above.
One of my Caimans with the Meprolight M21 sight with the...delta reticle. You use it...JUST like a round dot sight !
Mike
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