Red Wolf HP Programming Problem

So I went ahead and chronographed the gun to get my baseline velocities. 

Next, I plugged the programming unit into the RW and energized both the gun and the programming unit.

I made sure I started from the "MK5 Setup" screen before proceeding further.

I then proceeded to download data from the gun to the programming unit.

I was able to display and record High through Low Pulse (us) values, High Pressure through Low pressure values in Bar, Volts, and the High slope and Low Slope values. I did this for DSP 1 (High Power) through DSP3 (Low Power) screens.

I escaped out of the DSP screens and navigated to the screens that were supposed to hold Pressure and Volt bit values. I did so in order to record those values as well.

Upon navigating to "Power Setup", "Pressure Point", and "Voltage Settings" screens however, all values displayed were Zero. Moreover, although I could enter new High through Low Pulse (us) values, none of them could be saved or loaded into the gun.

After numerous unsuccessful attempts I packed everything up for a trip to AoA tomorrow.

Note that:

- I spent a day reviewing the two on line RW programming videos before trying to program my gun. 

- the gun still fires pellets at the velocities I obtained earlier today.

- I can still download data from the gun and the High through Low Pulse (us) values, High Pressure through Low pressure values in Bar, Volts, and the High slope and Low Slope values still appear following a download.

Any thoughts on how to proceed would be appreciated.

Thanks.

The other Mark B.


 
Mine had exactly the same results. After the read data results came back, I did a save on 1, 2 and 3. The parameters were then accessible and I've been able to make changes just fine.

Bob

Bob,

Thanks for the info. I never tried to do a "Save" on data that had been downloaded. Apparently, I should have.

I stopped in at AoA bright and early today. Don (the gentleman in the AoA programming video) hooked my programmer up to my gun and verified that the "bit" data was not within the programming unit. He felt it had "somehow" been erased.

He used the data that had successfully down loaded from gun to programmer (e,g, - pulse us, pressure in bar, volts, and the HS and LS data) to come up with bit estimates. He then entered estimated bit data, and when his estimates resulted in matches with my hand written non-bit data he saved the screen(s).

Don said bit and non-bit data is now saved within both the gun and programming unit --- IF --- I understood him correctly.

I now need to make a few more copies of my data log sheet, stow them away safely, and try making Pulse (us) changes . My goal is to increase DSP 1 (Power Setup 1) pellet velocities from 930 FPS (average) by 30 to 60 FPS to see if I can enhance accuracy - which is already pretty darn good. 

Thank you again for your spot on response to my issue (and possibly my mistake).

Best wishes.

The other Mark B.


 
Other Mark B.... glad to hear that you have resolved this! Please let us know how your programming works out.

I did some reprogramming today. Hi is now 957 FPS average. I'll head out to the range tomorrow to see how groups changed from last week. My plan is to get high power fine tuned for the Jumbo Monster pellets. Once that is done I'll move to medium power and tune velocity for 18 grain JSB pellets.

The other Mark B.
 
Other Mark B.... glad to hear that you have resolved this! Please let us know how your programming works out.

I did some reprogramming today. Hi is now 957 FPS average. I'll head out to the range tomorrow to see how groups changed from last week. My plan is to get high power fine tuned for the Jumbo Monster pellets. Once that is done I'll move to medium power and tune velocity for 18 grain JSB pellets.

The other Mark B.

With regard to the 18 gr JSB pellets, my RW .22HP launches them (on LOW power) at around 889 fps, which I understand is a good 'accuracy' speed for that pellet. Nice too that on LOW, you can get over 150 rounds on a fill.

I'll be interested in learning what you discover with the 18 gr JSB speeds, for accuracy.
 
Other Mark B.... glad to hear that you have resolved this! Please let us know how your programming works out.

I did some reprogramming today. Hi is now 957 FPS average. I'll head out to the range tomorrow to see how groups changed from last week. My plan is to get high power fine tuned for the Jumbo Monster pellets. Once that is done I'll move to medium power and tune velocity for 18 grain JSB pellets.

The other Mark B.

With regard to the 18 gr JSB pellets, my RW .22HP launches them (on LOW power) at around 889 fps, which I understand is a good 'accuracy' speed for that pellet. Nice too that on LOW, you can get over 150 rounds on a fill.

I'll be interested in learning what you discover with the 18 gr JSB speeds, for accuracy.

I had my .22 Airwolf re-programmed by Shane at AoA a couple years back. He tuned it down to shoot the 18 grain JSBs at 870 FPS if I recall correctly. Post tune it was the most accurate 25 yard and 50 yard gun I've ever owned. In fact, it was a tact driver I never should have sold. Lesson learned.

Of to the range now to test the RW HP at the higher FPS I programmed last night. I hope RSSC is not underwater.

Best wishes.

the other Mark B.
 
I had heard Daystate was going to stop selling the programmer due to the amount of problems, people trying to program their own gun has caused, just hearsay though may not be strictly true.

I need to be tactful in my response since someone from Daystate may read this. Deep breath and here goes.

Daystate should be highly commended for making a programming unit available. In fact, I believe Daystate would be flipping crazy to stop or limit sales of the "PowerSet MK2 Programmer"!!!!!! The rifle has a programmable control system. Hence, why limit the ability of customers who are paying top dollar for a rifle from tuning them to perfection (hyperbole here , but only a little). Rather, Daystate and its customers would be well served with "Instructions" written by someone who was actually given time to complete an apparently unfinished document created around December of 2015 (Hint for Tony Belas now that he is back). 

Someone - as an aside - like a professional technical writer for example, who makes a living turning complex information into straight forward instructions. 

Moreover, Daystate or its vendors should go a step further and put on programming classes (live perhaps around the time of EBR for example) or streamed on line. Heck, why not a monthly technical series on line from Daystate that could then be referred back to.

Tunable guns are desired by customers and are a real thing. Disbelievers should check with Air Force or recent FX customers.

Speaking of customers, they will make programming mistakes. I may have made one. I approached AoA for help (which they gave) and we worked through the issue in a few minutes. I successfully reprogrammed the gun a little later.

Speaking of AoA, they have posted a Red Wolf programming video on YouTube. It is a GREAT start!!!. Kudos for, and thank you to, AoA!!!!

I've had my say but heck, I think the main point is worth repeating. Daystate, distributors and vendors should be capitalizing on the substantial extra value provided by the Programmer (another hint for Daystate) rather than limiting the great advantage over competitors. Make no mistake. This can be a case of beating the competition hands down, rather than merely trying to keep up with others -- if the effort is managed and supported.

I should step down from my soap box now and let my keyboard cool down. Before I do however, lets look at actual results. Results that are a before re-programming and after re-programming situation. Two 25 yard targets follow, each shows 10 shot groups. The first shows Jumbo Beast pellets fired from a from a gun as delivered by Daystate (a gun tuned with heavier pellets). The second is after I tuned it for Jumbo Monster pellets, rather than pellets used by the factory.

Before

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After

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I will not finish with a cliche. Nope. I will not. Don't ask. You know which one.............................the one about a picture being worth a thousand words. Dang, it slipped out. Sorry.

Best wishes.

The other Mark B.
 
Mark B:

I wholeheartedly agree. An electronically re-programmable rifle is a winner for Daystate and the consumer. Bit I'd prefer to see a PC interface over the currently available and very rudimentary handheld programmer. Also having a simple reset feature so one can return the gun to factory specs in the event of an error would be good idea.
 
Mark B:

I wholeheartedly agree. An electronically re-programmable rifle is a winner for Daystate and the consumer. Bit I'd prefer to see a PC interface over the currently available and very rudimentary handheld programmer. Also having a simple reset feature so one can return the gun to factory specs in the event of an error would be good idea.

From your lips to Tony's ears........................................