Red Wolf Standard with G2 board

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Frank, 

First thank you for confirming my finding over the past almost 2 years. You were spot on and eloquent in taking us down this road! Most of the tips and tricks I've used, came from the people that were mentioned in your articles or from folks that have written answers to my questions here on the forum.

One of these days soon we will get together - Thanks again Rob
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Thanks Rob. I need to apologize. In that brief paragraph about you and your RW, I failed to acknowledge your impressive achievement of 2nd place in the Sportsman Class at EBR last year. About a year too late, but very good shooting sir. I'm hoping that when you get into FT, you decide to shoot in a different class than myself because that kind of performance at EBR means you're a damn good shot. (Kidding actually, whatever FT class you decide to shoot in, we'll be glad to have you at matches.)
 
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Yes, Rob is a very good marksman. IMHO, the most impressive thing about Rob's EBR performance was that in an era of shooting literally hundreds of sighters to get 25 record shots, Rob shot only 3 or 4 TOTAL for the entire card. Now that is impressive!!! (I think I shot about 35 or so). And shows that wind reading can be and is an important attribute, even at 100 yards contrary to some big names stating otherwise... 

Mike
 
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Frank,

What are your thoughts on the sound levels of the rifle? I noticed you used a tatsu which is a short mod. Was that adequate to dampen the bark to “backyard friendly” or “mouse fart” levels?

Most people seem to have the longer 6+” mods so I don’t have much feedback on how the shorter ones perform.
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Cant speak for the set up Frank was using. But for a .177 normal power Red Wolf with G1 board, I've used my Tanto, Tatsu and Sumo. The Tanto is very quiet, very very close to the Sumo, that is a wee bit more quiet. Just got the Tatsu and I think for my setup (and I shoot mainly at medium power), it is as quiet as the sumo.

In all cases, if I shoot the RW in the air, with my head as far away as my arms will allow, it does not sound like it could possible be an airgun. However, I I use the scope and shoot in my fenced in patio at a target (cardboard box with rubber mulch or duct seal) I can hear the pop. Not sure what the neighbors are hearing but occationally I hear them closing their windows after I start shooting.
 
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Sound levels are very subjective, both to the shooter, and to the neighbors that we're trying not to disturb. 

Individual trigger pullers, as well as neighbors, are more accepting of noise levels than others. 

My background is mostly 20fpe guns in .177 with long barrels and moderators.... QUIET. With that context, I found the RW with a Tatsu to be neighbor-friendly. But those are my neighbors, not yours. With a longer and more effective moderator (Hogan Decimeater) I found it to be VERY neighbor-friendly. With either, at 42ish fpe, the bigger concern is the sound of the pellet/slug hitting the trap. 
 
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Franklink said:
Sound levels are very subjective, both to the shooter, and to the neighbors that we're trying not to disturb.

Individual trigger pullers, as well as neighbors, are more accepting of noise levels than others.

My background is mostly 20fpe guns in .177 with long barrels and moderators.... QUIET. With that context, I found the RW with a Tatsu to be neighbor-friendly. But those are my neighbors, not yours. With a longer and more effective moderator (Hogan Decimeater) I found it to be VERY neighbor-friendly. With either, at 42ish fpe, the bigger concern is the sound of the pellet/slug hitting the trap.
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@Franklink - reviving a 4+ year old thread with intent. The Redwolf is one of those guns I’ve bought twice. In HP and Standard both .177. Electronics have been updated. Tuned by AOA = HP version set at high for 16.1’s at 930 FPS, medium pwr for 13.4 @ 815 fps, low pwr @ 890 FPS for 10.3’s goal of multi use Hft and pesting. My Standard was tuned by AOA for WFTF low pwr using 8.4’s and medium pwr for 10.3 @ 888, and high pwr @815 for 13.4 all with field target in mind.
I switched the larger 480 btl to a 330 btl on the Standard for a weight saving option and still get over 100 shots.

I have a PRS chassis available for either RW.

One thing I didn’t read or see mentioned is what happens when the battery runs low… my experience (twice) is shots become erratic, usually low and right, causing me to (think) I lost zero. But a fresh charge and she’s back.
Being as it’s October 2024, I thought it would be interesting to hear from people regarding how the RW’s have evolved. As I understand it the RW has undergone some electronic changes. Both mine being the newest generation.
HP .177 shown.
Shutzenfest in Boerne TX is calling!
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Franklink said:
Good info.

I was told that battery longevity is decreased by letting them get too depleted between charges so I charged often. I never saw this erratic shots with low battery b/c I didn't ever let the battery get low.
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Shot my best Hft course to date today using the RW HP using 13.4’s
 
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@cavedweller,
1st gen had 7.4 v batteries and topped out about 47 ft lb if I recall correctly.
The Safari came out in early 2018, I believe, and raised the power with 11.1 v batteries to about the 60 ft lb area in 25 cal and 50ish in 22. We found hammer damage, the tensioning flat spring breakage and uninspiring accuracy in 25 cal so the ART program began somewhere around early 2018.
The 25 cal and later 30 cals were given the 5 groove poly with slower twist and lighter choke and started being pretty competitive. The hammer (soft steel) was replaced with case hardened unit, flat spring was replaced with an oring, and valve assembly was changed a little to insure reliability. (Note that soft steel is necessary for solenoids because hardened steel retains magnetism and soft does not) In my testing, the 30 cal was comfortable at 88 ft lb with the 50.1s and was pretty incredible with NSA 49.5s at about 90 ft lb. The 177 and 22 were considered competitive and called "ART Approved". A couple of years later, the setup menu was updated and allows control over timeout and maybe other things that mine did not have... power is unchanged, afik...
At some point, the current mags were introduced and the drive pin for the old ones retired...
A modification was discovered that would bump the power AND increase efficiency SIMULTANEOUSLY , but I have no idea if it's being incorporated into the current rifles. Mine are capable of over 100 ft lb now with at least as many shots as at 90... Also note that the original ART profiles are NOT being used but still 5 groove. I do not know how many profiles have been used on current rifles. 22s now are ART barrels to join the 25 and 30... Another note... I've tinkered with and written about the 177 poly with NSA 20.5s but it takes pl10 (of 12) on my Heliboard to send them at 975 where pl 12 would only get them to 925 before. I don't know of another rifle that might be as good with these as we're talking about full bottle pressure available behind the slug... ok, maybe other unregulated rifles of high power...
So that is the short version... I had hoped a new RW would appear that would address a couple of shortcomings but not looking likely.
Still my favorite power plant by a BIG margin...
Bob
Also... congrats on your shooting 👍
 
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Franklink said:
Congrats.

Red Wolf Standard or an HP tuned down to 19fpe?

(what I'm asking is 12 land and groove rifling or polygonal)
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HP and quite frankly (pun intended) I’m not sure which barrel comes with the.177 HP model. Tune was 13.4’a at 815 so yes <19.5 ish depending on lube or no lube pellets. Slickery matters.
 
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@cavedweller,
1st gen had 7.4 v batteries and topped out about 47 ft lb if I recall correctly.
The Safari came out in early 2018, I believe, and raised the power with 11.1 v batteries to about the 60 ft lb area in 25 cal and 50ish in 22. We found hammer damage, the tensioning flat spring breakage and uninspiring accuracy in 25 cal so the ART program began somewhere around early 2018.
The 25 cal and later 30 cals were given the 5 groove poly with slower twist and lighter choke and started being pretty competitive. The hammer (soft steel) was replaced with case hardened unit, flat spring was replaced with an oring, and valve assembly was changed a little to insure reliability. (Note that soft steel is necessary for solenoids because hardened steel retains magnetism and soft does not) In my testing, the 30 cal was comfortable at 88 ft lb with the 50.1s and was pretty incredible with NSA 49.5s at about 90 ft lb. The 177 and 22 were considered competitive and called "ART Approved". A couple of years later, the setup menu was updated and allows control over timeout and maybe other things that mine did not have... power is unchanged, afik...
At some point, the current mags were introduced and the drive pin for the old ones retired...
A modification was discovered that would bump the power AND increase efficiency SIMULTANEOUSLY , but I have no idea if it's being incorporated into the current rifles. Mine are capable of over 100 ft lb now with at least as many shots as at 90... Also note that the original ART profiles are NOT being used but still 5 groove. I do not know how many profiles have been used on current rifles. 22s now are ART barrels to join the 25 and 30... Another note... I've tinkered with and written about the 177 poly with NSA 20.5s but it takes pl10 (of 12) on my Heliboard to send them at 975 where pl 12 would only get them to 925 before. I don't know of another rifle that might be as good with these as we're talking about full bottle pressure available behind the slug... ok, maybe other unregulated rifles of high power...
So that is the short version... I had hoped a new RW would appear that would address a couple of shortcomings but not looking likely.
Still my favorite power plant by a BIG margin...
Bob
Also... congrats on your shooting 👍
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Thanks Bob,
Interesting to me to hear the background stories but left scratching my head as to why Daystate wouldn’t aggressively adopt and incorporate such wisdom?
I’ve often thought it weird that they don’t publish a complete recommended “tuning” spreadsheet for each of their E-Platforms at basic pellet weights?
Even AOA doesn’t like to share tuning information = I emailed them a few times for input / data request for the ghost - I wanted to incorporate it here on AGN which I emailed them for input??? See AGN thread on Collaborative data request for the Ghost.
I should be in receipt of my standard .177 RW soon to make some comparisons.
Surprised yesterday to see a shooter, Jim C. In Texas with a lane regulated RW - fascinating 🧐 and wow that guy can shoot!
 
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peebrainz said:
I don't know RWs but I do know LIPOs. 7.4 is a 2 cell and 11.1 is a 3 cell. You shouldn't store them fully charged or let them go below 3v per cell or they can be damaged or dangerous. 3.8v per cell is storage voltage. Hopefully the charger has a storage mode and you guys have some way to monitor the voltage.
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You are correct...
The charger is very basic and the factory board does not show voltage. Our Heliboards do...
 
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peebrainz said:
I don't know RWs but I do know LIPOs. 7.4 is a 2 cell and 11.1 is a 3 cell. You shouldn't store them fully charged or let them go below 3v per cell or they can be damaged or dangerous. 3.8v per cell is storage voltage. Hopefully the charger has a storage mode and you guys have some way to monitor the voltage.
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Would you have a brand/ link to a charger which can provide an indication of the charge status?
Redwolf charges are very basic
 
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Thanks Bob,
Interesting to me to hear the background stories but left scratching my head as to why Daystate wouldn’t aggressively adopt and incorporate such wisdom?
I’ve often thought it weird that they don’t publish a complete recommended “tuning” spreadsheet for each of their E-Platforms at basic pellet weights?
Even AOA doesn’t like to share tuning information = I emailed them a few times for input / data request for the ghost - I wanted to incorporate it here on AGN which I emailed them for input??? See AGN thread on Collaborative data request for the Ghost.
I should be in receipt of my standard .177 RW soon to make some comparisons.
Surprised yesterday to see a shooter, Jim C. In Boerne Texas with a lane regulated RW - fascinating 🧐 and wow that guy can shoot!
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@Arzrover - as luck would have it, I happened upon a man of Airgun FT notoriety / history in Clifton Tx. Great learning experience for me. I got some first hand coaching AND a new generation .25 RW to satisfy my EFT itch. Your info in previous reply gave me the nudge and encouragement to bag the .25 whilst there as I hate shipping damage roulette.
 
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