I just got an email from Pyramyd listing refurbished products that they have on sale. I consider a refurbished product as a used item. It could have been a defective product returned by a customer or something found before shipping. The prices asked were not reduced very much and not worth buying instead of a new one with a full warranty. I know in the gun business that if you buy a brand new gun and pay for it, then change your mind, it's considered a used gun and the dealer might give you 50 t0 60 percent of the price you just paid. There has to be better incentives than what is being offered.