Resources Reticle Choices for field target

[Motorhead]

Darkness not being a factor in field target is Quite odd to me, as the darker the target faceplate is and the darker the course setting, the more difficult it is to acquire / range / hold on the the KZ. Meh.

With a rule that goes Coast to Coast, the "Subjective" rating of if or not target is dark or light is rather loose as ones dark is anthers non issue etc ....
The Windy rating being another ... as one areas normal ( say around here) is an issue with shooters typically in the woods etc ... BOTH are very regional to any base of Normal as this normal is what folks are accustomed to shooting and conditions outside of that is where adjusting troyer was allowed previous. It is being seen as too easy in gaining score advantage in GP points by claiming these correction values previously being allowed.

Just my take on it as one who shoots FT & a MD as well.

 

[steve123]

I couldn't find the main reticle thickness of that Titan APR2D reticle but I'm guessing it's .03-04 mil thick?? That makes it harder to see the reticle hashes well in a FFP scope on 16x. But if the illume is bright enough you can take advantage of it.

This is where the new Athlon Midas Tac G2 4-16 and Ares BTR G3 2.5-15 would help in because the mil reticle thickness is .06 mil. How well they range is the question.

 

[PowderBurnt]

Darkness not being a factor in field target is Quite odd to me, as the darker the target faceplate is and the darker the course setting, the more difficult it is to acquire / range / hold on the the KZ. Meh.

Bring a spotlight. I don't see it banned by the rules. Lol

 

[cavedweller]

Bring a spotlight. I don't see it banned by the rules. Lol

actually i thought about it but i do recall something about it ??? I thought about a laser pointer

 

[cavedweller]

I couldn't find the main reticle thickness of that Titan APR2D reticle but I'm guessing it's .03-04 mil thick?? That makes it harder to see the reticle hashes well in a FFP scope on 16x. But if the illume is bright enough you can take advantage of it.

This is where the new Athlon Midas Tac G2 4-16 and Ares BTR G3 2.5-15 would help in because the mil reticle thickness is .06 mil. How well they range is the question.

Ahhh yet another buy in.... I am finding the bigger the front bell the brighter overall things seem downrange.

 

[cavedweller]

With a rule that goes Coast to Coast, the "Subjective" rating of if or not target is dark or light is rather loose as ones dark is anthers non issue etc ....
The Windy rating being another ... as one areas normal ( say around here) is an issue with shooters typically in the woods etc ... BOTH are very regional to any base of Normal as this normal is what folks are accustomed to shooting and conditions outside of that is where adjusting troyer was allowed previous. It is being seen as too easy in gaining score advantage in GP points by claiming these correction values previously being allowed.

Just my take on it as one who shoots FT & a MD as well.

have to start a different thread on this .... I did create a "what color are your targets" thread, which did, or is touching on this "darkness" somewhat.

 

[Motorhead]

Ahhh yet another buy in.... I am finder the bigger the front bell the brighter overall things seem downrange.

Yea Athlons Heras BIG 56mm objective on the 6-24x or a Sightrons 10-50x60mm make them VERY bright optics even in lower light / shade conditions.

 

[humbled.ag]

Ahhh yet another buy in.... I am finding the bigger the front bell the brighter overall things seem downrange.

I don't agree. My Sightron S8 has a 56mm objective and 40mm erector tube. At full mag(40x), I can see the deepest, darkest targets with clarity and definition. My SIII with a 60mm objective and 30mm erector tube doesn't come close at the same magnification. I believe the erector tube diameter is more important than the objective diameter. The reason being the light is being reduced more to go from 60mm-30mm, causing a greater loss of resolution. When reducing the image from 56mm-40mm, there is significantly less degradation of the image.

 

[bustachip]

Are we having fun yet?

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I'm having fun just reading and looking at your scope collection..lol. If you never find what you're looking for, then you'll always be able to play with new and old scopes, the search is half the fun, yes?

 

[cavedweller]

I'm having fun just reading and looking at your scope collection..lol. If you never find what you're looking for, then you'll always be able to play with new and old scopes, the search is half the fun, yes?

True for me, but I must add, it’s also about the education I’m getting along the way

 

[scotton]

Good stuff here, interesting topic.

I would consider your hold off as well as hold over when selecting a reticle.

I went with the MIL reticle over the MOA reticle on my S3 Sightron, the MIL reticle has more horizontal cross hatches so its better for wind holds... The Sightron was to replace a Nikko that had very few horizontal marks before they turned into solid bars.

But that is coming from a 50x Open shooter, at 16x (or 12x) the width of the reticle is not as critical. And with hold over and hold off something more like a tree (PRS/NRL Hunter) reticle may be better than just the two axis of hatch marks. Lots of new stuff around these days, I think PRS and NRL Hunter are pushing scope manufacturers to create more offerings and better adapted designs for competition, which is great for us!

The problem is that most of the better PRS-type scopes don't focus down to 10 yards.

Also, when picking a scope for Hunter, don't get too much magnification if buying a FFP scope. The reticle on a 35x or 40x scope get's real small at 16x . I wouldn't go much bigger than 20x for a FFP scope, SFP you can go as big as you want since the reticle is always the same size.

 

[cavedweller]

I couldn't find the main reticle thickness of that Titan APR2D reticle but I'm guessing it's .03-04 mil thick?? That makes it harder to see the reticle hashes well in a FFP scope on 16x. But if the illume is bright enough you can take advantage of it.

This is where the new Athlon Midas Tac G2 4-16 and Ares BTR G3 2.5-15 would help in because the mil reticle thickness is .06 mil. How well they range is the question.

I did my best trying to create dope with my Titan 3-18x50 FFP today but damn that APR2D reticle was kicking my butt, better with illumination on but still… wondering if i should give up on this particular scope/reticle combo?
The thickness on the Sightron S3 SFP and Sightrons S-Tacs FFP is way better but the separation between zero and 1 requires a lot of guesswork

 

[cavedweller]

I don't agree. My Sightron S8 has a 56mm objective and 40mm erector tube. At full mag(40x), I can see the deepest, darkest targets with clarity and definition. My SIII with a 60mm objective and 30mm erector tube doesn't come close at the same magnification. I believe the erector tube diameter is more important than the objective diameter. The reason being the light is being reduced more to go from 60mm-30mm, causing a greater loss of resolution. When reducing the image from 56mm-40mm, there is significantly less degradation of the image.

I had the S8, and to me, the additional weight v value at 16x restriction wasn‘t worth it For HFT. In my case more weight in offhand shooting quickly reduces my KZ scores.

 

[steve123]

I did my best trying to create dope with my Titan 3-18x50 FFP today but damn that APR2D reticle was kicking my butt, better with illumination on but still… wondering if i should give up on this particular scope/reticle combo?
The thickness on the Sightron S3 SFP and Sightrons S-Tacs FFP is way better but the separation between zero and 1 requires a lot of guesswork

Try that new Ares BTR G3 2.5-15 with .06 mil reticle thickness. A friend in my FT club is using a G2 Ares BTR 2.5-15 in Hunter. He finishes at or near the top and has gotten high score at our match quite a few times.

Was it a SFP Heras 6-24 or a FFP Heras FFP that Motorhead uses?

 

[cavedweller]

Try that new Ares BTR G3 2.5-15 with .06 mil reticle thickness. A friend in my FT club is using a G2 Ares BTR 2.5-15 in Hunter. He finishes at or near the top and has gotten high score at our match quite a few times.

Was it a SFP Heras 6-24 or a FFP Heras FFP that Motorhead uses?

SFP as I recall… I have both available.
The element Titan was much better today with the illumination on

 

[cavedweller]

Try that new Ares BTR G3 2.5-15 with .06 mil reticle thickness. A friend in my FT club is using a G2 Ares BTR 2.5-15 in Hunter. He finishes at or near the top and has gotten high score at our match quite a few times.

Was it a SFP Heras 6-24 or a FFP Heras FFP that Motorhead uses?

I did a scope switcharoo today:
mounted Athlons Helos BTR Gen2
4-20x50 FFP/IR APRS-6 reticle 1/10 mil
so far I’m very happy with the reticle thickness
Used a Scope Werks 5” mag wheel on it
I’ll begin calibrating my ranging wheel
tomorow
then it’s time for some fresh dope n data

let the fun begin

 

[steve123]

I think you guys will find the .06 mil thick reticle in the Ares BTR G3 about perfect. Athlon seriously outdid themselves with this scope.

 

[cavedweller]

I think you guys will find the .06 mil thick reticle in the Ares BTR G3 about perfect. Athlon seriously outdid themselves with this scope.

Yesterday I set up my Wolverine Sapphire with an Athlon Helos BTR Gen2, 4-20x50
1/10 mil it has the APRS6 reticle
I used a 5” scope Werks mag wheel.
While I really liked the thickness of the reticle at 16x the spread on the 5” wheel was poor, as in 40 to 55 a crap shoot with lots of guestimates
However, the ranging is very repeatable VERY!
Darn darn it darn - every thing is a trade off.
To date the biggest rotational spread on a 6” wheel is the Element 3-18x50 at 270 degrees.

 

[cavedweller]

Try that new Ares BTR G3 2.5-15 with .06 mil reticle thickness. A friend in my FT club is using a G2 Ares BTR 2.5-15 in Hunter. He finishes at or near the top and has gotten high score at our match quite a few times.

Was it a SFP Heras 6-24 or a FFP Heras FFP that Motorhead uses?

@steve123 …. Well I have a G3 2.5-15 on the way …. Valentines day sale at Eurooptics.