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I think the longer the barrel the easier it would be to bend the shroud. The compacts have a short tube that screws into the frame and would be more rigid. I don't have poi shift on my 600mm barrel. And how could you group all FXs together when the models are so different ?
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MongooseV8 said:
Maybe, but when poi shifting is evident in the paid FX promo videos there is room for improvement. I think most AG people assume it comes with the territory and just dont complain about it. I think the outcry seen is a lot of PB guys coming into the AG world for the first time (myself included) and kinda left scratching your head. I think its great you havent seen any poi shifting but lets be real, it is a common issue. What distances do you shoot normally?
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Before airguns all I shot was PB. Most PB guys don't understand the POI shift based condition due to lower power which is significantly more affected by temp/density altitude and wind. I shoot my airguns between 100-300 yards all the time and yes, if condition changes POI will change but if you know your ballistics then you can correct for it.


Is FX barrel system perfect? NO! Can it be improved? YES! Example: I think the o-rings supporting the liner is complete GARBAGE!!! And the carbon liner sleeve needs to be standard factory part, at least on the Panthera it will be standard and I hope they make it standard on all FX guns but will see. Impact barrel is supported by an O-Ring which should be replaced after a year but people complain about replacing a dollar or less oring(covered under warranty for 3 years) as preventative maintenance on a 2000 dollar gun. :unsure:
 
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MongooseV8 said:
Well see the comments above. There is clearly an issue. And the Impact, Wildcat, Maverick, Dreamline, etc are the models I was making reference to. I understand everyone gets attached to their equipment, but to say there is no poi shift is simply denial lol. There is plenty of documentation to raise eyebrows, there are plenty of FX owners that wont buy another FX. They are just machines designed by flawed humans no need to get defensive. And dont get me wrong I dont think they are bad, just more sensitive to what I am used to.
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Not defensive here, just don’t like the spread of misinformation. To say that FX as a brand has poi change issues is just that. Misinformation.
Any matter of things can cause poi changes, from weather (also stated above), to tune. Other manufacturers have just as many complaints on this subject, but go on spreading what you believe to be true. I done defend the company, I defend the spread of proper information to our community.
 
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revenger said:
Perhaps it was just my gun that moved around? I noticed if I bumped the barrel or moved the rifle around to work it some that the poi would change a little bit. It wouldn't change a lot but enough to notice and enough for me to want to re-zero it.
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The down side of being modular is there are multiple parts you need to check tightness/torque on. Be sure that all parts are tight and fitted correctly, if there are any questions just call FX support who are fantastic and will walk you through the issue.
 
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madeintheuk said:
Not defensive here, just don’t like the spread of misinformation. To say that FX as a brand has poi change issues is just that. Misinformation.
Any matter of things can cause poi changes, from weather (also stated above), to tune. Other manufacturers have just as many complaints on this subject, but go on spreading what you believe to be true. I done defend the company, I defend the spread of proper information to our community.
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Not misinformation. There are lots of first hand experience accounts here and the other big forum and also the youtubes. Not talking about condition changes, talking about the muzzle getting bumped and shifting poi. A mechanical shift of poi. Its a real thing, I didnt make it up all on my own lol. There are FX owners in this very thread that claim poi shifting so I guess they are liars? Does that make your claim of no poi existing to be misinformation?

And it is fair to say FX as a brand, since most of their line up uses the same or very similar system. Unfortunately it is the industry standard to mount barrels the way that they do. Im not trying to single out FX, but when somebody spends TOP dollar for the Best equipment available; it should be expected to not have to remedy these issues. You guys live in some alternate reality I swear ;)

Anyway I gave my take on the situation and I dont want to start upsetting anyone so I will take my leave on this one (y)
 
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Not misinformation. There are lots of first hand experience accounts here and the other big forum and also the youtubes. Not talking about condition changes, talking about the muzzle getting bumped and shifting poi. A mechanical shift of poi. Its a real thing, I didnt make it up all on my own lol. There are FX owners in this very thread that claim poi shifting so I guess they are liars? Does that make your claim of no poi existing to be misinformation?

And it is fair to say FX as a brand, since most of their line up uses the same or very similar system. Unfortunately it is the industry standard to mount barrels the way that they do. Im not trying to single out FX, but when somebody spends TOP dollar for the Best equipment available; it should be expected to not have to remedy these issues. You guys live in some alternate reality I swear ;)

Anyway I gave my take on the situation and I dont want to start upsetting anyone so I will take my leave on this one (y)
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Maybe you should read above as you say I should. I stated in my first post that I had zero poi issues that weren’t caused by me personally bumping my barrel. This will happen to MANY airgun brands including FX.
You state there are “many” FX owners that state they have poi issues. Are there no other brand owners with similar issues? Does this make it an FX problem? Or just a problem in general. There are brands that build their guns to withstand a nuclear explosion, and there are those that are not. Does it make one brand better than another? No…they have different purposes for different people.
As I stated before, I’ve owned many other brands that had poi changes NOT caused by physical bumps to the barrel, and I’ve had rifles that I knocked around but didn’t change poi. It doesn’t make it a brand problem, but again, if you want to spread misinformation, I guess it’s your argument against mine. Suppose we’ll let the AGN membership decide for themselves.
 
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My one Impact has a backbone and a 14mm chromoly barrel almost welded to the chassis. I still get POI shifts and so does my little M3 Compact. My Taipan stayed sighted in for almost 3 years. I very rarely have to click my RTI and a couple other guns. It’s not all about the barrel. The barrel is fun to blame because from a benchrest perspective, FX barrels are stupid. Its too complex to expect the consistency of a one piece solid steel barrel. But that complexity has an advantage in weight and being modular. Joe Blow’s Impact with every aftermarket barrel stiffening gadget still won’t weight what a real barreled Impact weighs. I blame most non crash and burn with the gun POI shifts with leading of the barrel or choke. Then I will blame the chassis or complexity of the gun. And sometimes it’s the shooter. Even with a CF sleeve the FX barrel system is flimsy but like qball or someone said, we all know this going in. The weight difference of my 600mm Impact with a real barrel on it is shocking compared to a regular 600mm Impact. I’m guessing a lot of Impact owners that hunt with their gun would be put off with it. So we have to watch what we wish for and maybe make the best with what we have to work with. The after market gets to make some money from the guys with certain standards and expectations. Other owners don’t sweat it because the gun is good enough for them.
 
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revenger said:
Put them all together with epoxy.
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Yeah mine are glued together too, but not to the barrel pipe, but in day 2 day use no problem aint going anywhere, and my moderator butt up against them when installed.
Some of the left over pipe i have put in the rather large space in front of the regulator in my Vulcan 3, this way taking that apart to reach the regulator i do not loose that much air, same rifle i have a FX bottle on so unlike the original setup i do not loose all the air in the bottle too, CUZ thats the stupid part of the Vulcan 3 you have to bleed both rifle and bottle,,,,, and that just do not fly for a person that dont yet have his own compressor.
 
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Headshots said:
The shrouded barrels have been used on rimfires for many years. Volquartsen , Kidd , Magnum Research all use them . The main reason is weight savings plus way better accuracy vs a factory 10/22 barrel. I would like to see a carbon moderator shroud vs the aluminum one used on the Maverick.
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You can get those shrouds at Bullet Central. I now have one on my Maverick and it really does stiffen things up. Also have the carbon liner, but mine is unglued. Yes you really can pick them up by the end of the barrel and I have seen no real POI poops on it since installing. I can say that I could force a very slight change in POI before by moving the barrel around, but it would have been maybe like 2 clicks on the scope at 35 yards. Oddly, my Wildcat BT I literally moved the barrel til it hit the tank and the POI on that did not move one iota.
 
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qball said:
I think it’s all the noise on the forum screaming POI shift by a few that may or may not even own a FX gun. FX sold insane amount of guns, if POI poop is so common then they won’t be in business.

I had 6 FX and no POI change issues as far as I can tell and I’ve tripped and dropped my Impact then rolled over it during a hunt with no issues. Can FX system be better? Of course but it certainly isn’t all that lacking in my experience as an actual owner of multiple FX guns. I even took off my tensioning system and think my impact shoots better with out it but that could be down to fine tuning.

I have my 7th FX on the way and it has a very solid barrel system for high power slugs but people already complain why can’t we change caliber easy like before! Can’t please everyone! LOL!!!
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If everything that screws into the barrel isn't snug, your POI will be all over the place. Folks complaining about POI may not have checked that every thing is nice and snug in the barrel, transfer port etc. I found this out the hard way.
 
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bunkeru2k said:
You can get those shrouds at Bullet Central. I now have one on my Maverick and it really does stiffen things up. Also have the carbon liner, but mine is unglued. Yes you really can pick them up by the end of the barrel and I have seen no real POI poops on it since installing. I can say that I could force a very slight change in POI before by moving the barrel around, but it would have been maybe like 2 clicks on the scope at 35 yards. Oddly, my Wildcat BT I literally moved the barrel til it hit the tank and the POI on that did not move one iota.
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What length barrel? Just curious, I've got 3 different barrels from compact to Sniper, haven't had any real issues but, heck it's fun playing in the Rabbit Hole® These shrouds look stiff as heck.
 
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revenger said:
I know a lot of people are scared to bump their barrels in fear of a POI shift. However I did some testing today with my .30 Maverick and even after grabbing the gun by the end of the barrel and shaking it violently in between shots it still held it's POI Grouping. Mods done recently include epoxying the carbon sleeve to the liner, installing a bullet central tensioning kit, and installing a black arts design bottle/barrel band. I think the barrel band definitely has the largest impact. This is a very good quality product and the owner even sent me an extra fastener after I dropped one and lost it. Now I'm not so worried about POI shifts day to day or after I bump into something. Just thought I would share.
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I have 5 FX guns in my house. Two M3’s, Two Mavericks and a Crown MKII with a 600mm barrel. All are bone stock other than a couple slug lIners. All get hunted with and all suffer barrels bumping around on obstacles and going in and out of vehicles and not once have we experienced a POI shift.
Please note the OP never stated they had experienced POI shift, but said they would no longer have to worry about it. I am curious if they did or if it was a case of FX’itis where we fix what we have heard or read about rather than what we experience.
 
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I have my Impact MK2 since the first PP came out, also I have a high quality high power scope on it I can zoom in a hole @ 100 meters. Also I am not using bipods but a full size rest (whic actually eliminates a great amount of human error), I never saw big issues, couple clicks L-R or U-D but that could be the elements playing a game.
I replaced those barrel holding orings from BUNA 70 to 90, and I lube when replacing the barrel, and just let it float.
But again I never knocked the gun over or bumped into a table or bench, and I have built a well padded case for it.
 
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I have 5 FX guns in my house. Two M3’s, Two Mavericks and a Crown MKII with a 600mm barrel. All are bone stock other than a couple slug lIners. All get hunted with and all suffer barrels bumping around on obstacles and going in and out of vehicles and not once have we experienced a POI shift.
Please note the OP never stated they had experienced POI shift, but said they would no longer have to worry about it. I am curious if they did or if it was a case of FX’itis where we fix what we have heard or read about rather than what we experience.
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I did have some instances where I had a poi shifts using same slugs at same tune after accidentally whacking the barrel. It's not like it was wildly different but enough to have to re-zero under same conditions as before. Also this may be just me but I have had my moderator positioning make small changes on my other gun (avenger with stock shroud at the time) over tightening would cause issues while just backed off a touch would be perfect... Could have been various reasons. With my maverick it really just seemed to have a change after laterally bumping the gun into something. Now it's seemingly perfectly solid and repeatable. In my opinion even if your gun doesn't seem to shift poi after getting bumped, I think there is only benefit to adding a good band. Stiffening/supporting the barrel should be a helpful thing at least for hunting scenarios where you can re-zero often. It could change the harmonics but that should just be a tune change.
 
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