I am thinking about getting a used Prophet in .22 caliber. I would like to shoot pellets and slugs. I'm thinking that it is adjustable enough to tune for both. Are all the different models (barrels) capable of shooting both accurately (pellets under 50yds and slugs for 50-100yds)? I see that the Prophet in .22 has a 20" barrel and choked. The Prophet II in .22 has a 24" barrel and "lightly choked". Is there a Prophet Performance LR with a different barrel? Which barrel/model would you recommend for someone wanting to shoot pellets and slugs?
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I own a prophet performance in 22 it is super accurate with slugs and pellets great gun it has a 24 inch barrel LOU
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Thanks for the feedback. Trying to figure out the difference in the Prophet and the Prophet II. I think the Prophet II has a balanced valve and the improved regulator that is externally adjustable. Also, on the "Performance" models is that just a CF bottle and a larger plenum? Or are there other differences in the models?
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The RTI RPB 20” and 24” are available in both .22 and .25 as aftermarket parts and are designed to shoot both pellets and slugs. So the used P1 you’re looking at can easily change barrels..much more cost effective than a new P2..unless you just have to have the power the P2 is capable of.
The big difference in the P1 an P2 is the balanced valve..P2 has it.
Most pellets shoot best around the 880-890 and maybe a bit faster in the LW LR RTI barrels. If most of your shooting is with pellets, I’d go with the used P1 and pick up the RPB barrel if the one in the P1 doesn’t work as you’d like.
The RTI line is like adult tinker toys. The are factory parts for just about everything..including upgrading from P1 to P2..
Enjoy!!
The big difference in the P1 an P2 is the balanced valve..P2 has it.
Most pellets shoot best around the 880-890 and maybe a bit faster in the LW LR RTI barrels. If most of your shooting is with pellets, I’d go with the used P1 and pick up the RPB barrel if the one in the P1 doesn’t work as you’d like.
The RTI line is like adult tinker toys. The are factory parts for just about everything..including upgrading from P1 to P2..
Enjoy!!
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Thanks for the information. I am trying to do my research, so that I don't wind up buying a gun then having to do upgrades. I would like to have the power of the P2, but don't know if it's needed to drive 20-30grain slugs at 900-1000fps.
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My Prophet is a .177 with a 24" LW barrel that I bought used for $900. It is a fantastic rifle, and extremely efficient on air. I currently have the Reg set at 80 bar and shoot 13.43g pellets around 800 fps, like a laser. It gets about 2.5 shots per bar. I'm not sure why the P1s go for so cheap used, but they are a really good value around (or under) $1k.
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The Prophet Performance with the 24” LW was supposedly designed to shoot Monster Redesigned at high speed, mid to high 900’s.
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Scotty is spot on. My Prophet .22 LR shoots MRDs best at 970. It’s a slow twist barrel and is not designed to shoot slugs. I’ve tried several slugs but have not found any that will outshoot the MRDs. These minimalistic guns are very reliable and I would not have any fear of buying a used one.
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What length barrel is on the Prophet LR? You say it's not designed to shoot slugs, and the MRDs are more accurate. How accurate is it with slugs, and what weight did it do best with? Thanks
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If you want to shoot slugs, get the new barrel. Personally, after trying a fair amount of the usual suspects, I didn’t feel it was a path worth pursuing. It sure shoots pellets well though!
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Thanks, I would like to eventually make a set of swage dies for making my own slugs at a cost less than buying pellets.
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@jwrabbit123 - Lou - just out of curiosity could you elaborate on what slugs you've found to shoot well with that barrel? I've the same one ( I'm assuming - the 24" LR one that comes with the performance model - right? ). It is indeed a shooter with pellets ( AA, JSB and even H&N 18's and MRD's in my experience ) but I've yet to find a slug that I've been really happy with. Reg setting and speed you've found would be a good a bonus . . . ! ( please - if you don't mind sharing . . .
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I feel the biggest change - from Prophet I to Prophet II- in the Prophet Performance LR .22 is NOT the balanced valve… its the barrel change!
The PP LR .22 v1 has a 1:32 slow twist rate barrel with polygonal rifling. That barrel was designed specifically to shoot pellets (not slugs) at high speeds - to win long range benchrest competitions. The slow twist rate is NOT optimal for slugs.
The PO LR .22 v2 has a new barrel with a much faster 1:16 twist rate. The faster twist rate is better for slugs since slugs are spin stabilized (vs pellets which are drag stabilized).
So whether you have a Prophet Performance v1 or v2 , you will want to have the new v2 barrel on it if you intend to shoot slugs.
The PP LR .22 v1 has a 1:32 slow twist rate barrel with polygonal rifling. That barrel was designed specifically to shoot pellets (not slugs) at high speeds - to win long range benchrest competitions. The slow twist rate is NOT optimal for slugs.
The PO LR .22 v2 has a new barrel with a much faster 1:16 twist rate. The faster twist rate is better for slugs since slugs are spin stabilized (vs pellets which are drag stabilized).
So whether you have a Prophet Performance v1 or v2 , you will want to have the new v2 barrel on it if you intend to shoot slugs.
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This thread prompted me to go out and shoot every slug I had on hand. I shot this afternoon at 50Y:
JSB Knock Outs in .216 and .217, FX Hybrids, H&N 21, 23, 25 & 27, NSA 20, 23 & 24.8 in .2165 and .217 and Howlers. NSA 20 .2165 were the most accurate of all the slugs with one group clover leafing in one ragged hole but all other slug groups could not be covered with a .50 cent piece. The MRDs were consistently one ragged hole groups. Our conditions this afternoon was 8-15 MPH thanks to the aftermath of Ian drifting through and even though the slugs have higher BCs on paper the results certainly didn’t show up on paper. The MRDs were the clear winner.
I should also clarify that I have the PP1 with the slower twist rate 24” barrel.
JSB Knock Outs in .216 and .217, FX Hybrids, H&N 21, 23, 25 & 27, NSA 20, 23 & 24.8 in .2165 and .217 and Howlers. NSA 20 .2165 were the most accurate of all the slugs with one group clover leafing in one ragged hole but all other slug groups could not be covered with a .50 cent piece. The MRDs were consistently one ragged hole groups. Our conditions this afternoon was 8-15 MPH thanks to the aftermath of Ian drifting through and even though the slugs have higher BCs on paper the results certainly didn’t show up on paper. The MRDs were the clear winner.
I should also clarify that I have the PP1 with the slower twist rate 24” barrel.
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Thanks for the information. From everything I've always read slugs don't like "choked" barrels, but pellets do.
What is the PO LR .22 v2? Or is that a type-o for Prophet Performance?
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Thanks for the information. From everything I've always read slugs don't like "choked" barrels, but pellets do.
What is the PO LR .22 v2? Or is that a type-o for Prophet Performance?
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You posted earlier that you have a Prophet .22LR. So it's not a Prophet Performance, but has the LW 24" barrel and what twist rate? Sorry I'm just trying to make heads or tails of the different models, barrels, and configurations. Thanks for posting your results. Sounds like the 20gr .2165's were a close second. Do you have any idea what velocity you were shooting them at?
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