Safety is there for a reason HUBEN k1 DONT SHOOT YOURSELF LIKE MY FRIEND. (Pictures, there not to graphic)

[weevil]

Obviously, this is a key flaw in the design of the Huben. That said, while it cannot be made completely safe for carrying while hunting, I find that an acceptable compromise is to set the magazine such that the first three chambers are empty. More or less could be used but I suggest at least three such that it can be confirmed visually. Of course, once the quarry is encountered, the magazine has to be advanced by three rounds to shoot. That process can be sped up by carrying the gun with the mag lever in the “up” position. In that case, it really doesn’t take any longer to be ready to shoot than it does to cock a conventional PCP.

 

[Jack 55]

I don't mean to preach, as I've stated this on several threads over the years, so I apologize if it sounds as such. Air rifle safeties, in general, are not especially well designed. Also, many of them are compromised by the way we adjust our triggers. We can talk about safe gun handling forever, but we all know, as a practical matter, we can't keep a rifle pointed in a harmless direction 100% of the time, it can't be done. It's far better to decock or unload before moving, and some rifles, as the Taipan Veteran are designed to easily accommodate that strategy.

Has anyone retro fitted a trigger safety onto a Huben K1

 

[DC714]

Ouch! Hope you get better soon.. reminds me of a common injury I’d see at work manufacturing garments.. every month or so a seamstress would be scavenging the first aid kit for alcohol in order to sanitize a rusty pair of pliers they would use to pull the needle. Not the same as shooting yourself in the foot but I wondered why sewing machines didn’t have safeties. This was in the 80’s and you know what? They still don’t have safeties.. they still make sewing machines, more dangerous than ever! Despite injuries like the one I described occurring everyday, the machine is rarely to be the cause..it was only doing what it was made to do.

 

[PasadenaMike]

this isn’t a Huben safety but a safety overall. Keep them fingers off the trigger, safety engaged and walk with the gun pointed in the safest direction and even then something might happen. Hope it heals soon.

 

[Bedrock Bob]

A hunter never walks with a rifle that has a round in the chamber.

Period.

The "safety" is something that no experienced sportsman relies on. That's just basic gun safety. It's meant to safe the gun after you have chambered a round and are getting set up for a shot. It's not there to safe the rifle while you are walking around or riding around looking for game.

There is plenty of time to cock the rifle when you get the opportunity for a shot. There is also plenty of time to unload the rifle after the shot. There IS NO ADVANTAGE to carrying a locked and loaded weapon on safe in any situation except an active firefight. Even then the disadvantages often outweigh the advantages.

 

[Rocko]

What is the purpose of the pin thru his foot?

 

[blackdog899]

A hunter never walks with a rifle that has a round in the chamber.

Period.

The "safety" is something that no experienced sportsman relies on. That's just basic gun safety. It's meant to safe the gun after you have chambered a round and are getting set up for a shot. It's not there to safe the rifle while you are walking around or riding around looking for game.

There is plenty of time to cock the rifle when you get the opportunity for a shot. There is also plenty of time to unload the rifle after the shot. There IS NO ADVANTAGE to carrying a locked and loaded weapon on safe in any situation except an active firefight. Even then the disadvantages often outweigh the advantages.

Are you a hunter?
This statement is just not true.
I don’t know where you came up with it.

 

[Bedrock Bob]

Are you a hunter?
This statement is just not true.
I don’t know where you came up with it.

I am.

You don't walk with a hot chamber and the safety on. You never rely on the safety. You chamber a round when you are ready to shoot and remove that round if you don't shoot.

No hunter walks around with one in the pipe and the gun on safe. Why would they?

That's just basic hunter 101.

 

[blackdog899]

Hold on Mr. ring neck whilst I put 2 6shot in my old double
Hold on Mr. 6x6 elk I just jumped while still hunting on the way down the mountain
Hold on Mr 10 pointer that surprised me from behind on my treestand
Hold on Mr. bunny wabbit my dog just kicked up.

I don’t know this personally but hold on Mr. Cape buffalo
I don’t know what country your from but again it ain’t true here in the USA

 

[Bedrock Bob]

Hold on Mr. ring neck whilst I put 2 6shot in my old double
Hold on Mr. 6x6 elk I just jumped while still hunting on the way down the mountain
Hold on Mr 10 pointer that surprised me from behind on my treestand
Hold on Mr. bunny wabbit my dog just kicked up.

I don’t know this personally but hold on Mr. Cape buffalo
I don’t know what country your from but again it ain’t true here in the USA

You are quite mistaken.

If you are in such a hurry you don't have time to chamber a round your not a hunter. I've hunted for over half a century. I've hunted professionally and guided big game hunts for 30 years. I've never seen anyone carry a round in the chamber nor need that time to make a shot. Hunting just dosent work like that.

You are no more "American" than I and obviously untrained. You can carry your rifle with one in the chamber up the mountain if you want to. But when you fall and it discharges it will be yours to sort out for yourself.

There is no hunting situation where carrying a gun hot on safe will give you any advantage at all. If you feel you need the extra time to get off a snap shot you should seriously reevaluate your hunting strategy.

 

[blackdog899]

Your lack of knowledge about harvesting game is showing. You better stick to your sub 12 fpe guns on the game farm in your head.
To take it to extremes I’d like to see a cross bow hunter practice what you preach.

 

[Bedrock Bob]

Your lack of knowledge about harvesting game is showing. You better stick to your sub 12 fpe guns on the game farm in your head.
To take it to extremes I’d like to see a cross bow hunter practice what you preach.

Why the insults? Can you not discuss it like an adult?

You obviously carry your rifle hot on safe when walking around thinking it's going to save you a split second. If you honestly feel that the benefits are worth the risk that is your call to make.

Most hunters who spot and stalk would disagree. Stand hunters would probably agree with you. Carrying hot in your situation may be perfectly safe. But carrying a hot rifle in my country would be foolish.

I hope we can agree to disagree without more of your personal observations about me. It's rather tacky and defensive. Please stop.

 

[Sleestak]

Your lack of knowledge about harvesting game is showing. You better stick to your sub 12 fpe guns on the game farm in your head.
To take it to extremes I’d like to see a cross bow hunter practice what you preach.

LOL, I've never heard of actively hunting without a chambered round either. It might actually work ...if you're hunting deaf or catatonic game.

& all these years I've asssumed that the point of safetys is so that the gun could be handled w a round in the chamber

But he's a BG guide...& for 30 years, so apparently I and everyone I've ever known that hunts must been doing totally wrong.

 

[coastal drifter]

sounds like a familiar argument in the CC world, some carry hot some carry with the chamber empty. Who am I to judge. Even the old cowboys carried their 6 shooters with the first chamber empty for safety, but today's technology/weapons have redundancy built into their safety. Most accidental discharges are user error. I can say an empty chamber was never involved.

 

[Bedrock Bob]

LOL, I've never heard of actively hunting without a chambered round either. It might actually work ...if you're hunting deaf or catatonic game.

& all these years I've asssumed that the guns had safetys so that they could be handled w a round in the chamber

But he's a BG guide...& for 30 years, so apparently I and everyone I've ever known that hunts must been doing totally wrong.

Evidently.

Do you rely on speed shooting with a rifle to take an animal too? What scenario do you imagine a round in the chamber would make a difference?

Rabbit hunting with a shotgun. Dove season when your shooting fast. Maybe a bear in thick brush.

Still you don't chamber a round until you have a chance at a shot. Then you pull that round or open the action afterwards. You don't walk around and hunt with one in the pipe.

We don't need to discuss the risks of carrying a gun hot. It's the benefits that don't make sense to me. What hunting strategy would the benefits outweigh the risks?

A chance shot at an elk that only presents himself for an instant? A rabbit that moves to quickly? A deer that is spooked by the sound of a PCP bolt closing? A pheasant so fast you have no time to close the action on your old double barrel as you bring it up?

I'm sorry I just don't buy it. Carrying a hot gun on safe while hunting is a risk that has no rewards in MOST situations. Keeping the chamber clear until a target is identified carries no risk and in MOST cases wont slow you down at all.

 

[Sleestak]

sounds like a familiar argument in the CC world, some carry hot some carry with the chamber empty. Who am I to judge. Even the old cowboys carried their 6 shooters with the first chamber empty for safety, but today's technology/weapons have redundancy built into their safety. Most accidental discharges are user error. I can say an empty chamber was never involved.

I can see the point of having a non-cocked handgun, but Bob did use the word "rifle" and I genuinely have never heard of anyone hunting w an empty chamber.

Not that it might not have it's place, i.e. stalking, blind hunting, but to say that a hunter never walks around w a chambered weapon sounds a bit like hyperbole to me

 

[Sleestak]

Evidently.

Do you rely on speed shooting with a rifle to take an animal too? What scenario do you imagine a round in the chamber would make a difference?

Rabbit hunting with a shotgun. Dove season when your shooting fast. Maybe a bear in thick brush.

Still you don't chamber a round until you have a chance at a shot. Then you pull that round or open the action afterwards. You don't walk around and hunt with one in the pipe.

We don't need to discuss the risks of carrying a gun hot. It's the benefits that don't make sense to me. What hunting strategy would the benefits outweigh the risks?

A chance shot at an elk that only presents himself for an instant? A rabbit that moves to quickly? A deer that is spooked by the sound of a PCP bolt closing? A pheasant so fast you have no time to close the action on your old double barrel as you bring it up?

I'm sorry I just don't buy it. Carrying a hot gun on safe while hunting is a risk that has no rewards in MOST situations. Keeping the chamber clear until a target is identified carries no risk and in MOST cases wont slow you down at all.

Short answer:

Muzzel and trigger discipline.

Just because you have a safety doesn't make it OK to point it at your foot or other unintended targets (obviously). Where you point your gun is totally up to you and not a design flaw.

You wear a seatbelt not because it's fail-proof & guarantees that you won't be injured, but rather because it mitigates the risk. Safetys aren' that much different.

 

[coastal drifter]

 

[thom]

That was one ugly foot before the accident!

 

[blackdog899]

sounds like a familiar argument in the CC world, some carry hot some carry with the chamber empty. Who am I to judge. Even the old cowboys carried their 6 shooters with the first chamber empty for safety, but today's technology/weapons have redundancy built into their safety. Most accidental discharges are user error. I can say an empty chamber was never involved.

The old cowboys carried that way in case of a dropped or hit gun which hits the primer . Today’s revolvers have transfer bars that rely on inertia to travel to the primer.
Only revolver I ever had was a Smith j frame scandium 357. Five shot, was my carry gun but was stolen from my truck. It weighed 11 ozs. Safe to carry all five. This was a painful gun to shoot. There will be blood after 3 or 4 shots