Scammed

[Geezerhood]

check out guntab.com

I can see several serious potential problems with guntab.com, though it certainly looks safer than sending money to some unknown entity!

UPS can ignore the signature required request at the discretion of the driver. I fairly recently had a driver leave a $10,000+ box on the sidewalk outside of the customer's fenced yard and mark it as delivered and signed for. Fortunately the recipient was home and ran out to look the moment he got the delivered and signed for notification! UPS said that was within their current COVID policies. Paying extra for a signature can end up being a waste of money, depending on the delivery driver.

If the buyer isn't happy with it or worse, just changes their mind and states that it is not as described, even though it was BETTER than described, plan on a fairly long wait to get your merchandise or your money back. It has to go into "Pending refund processing" which could take weeks. It doesn't say how long, but certainly it would take the time to ship the item back at the buyers expense plus the time to judge the return validity. What if on return, the seller claims it was returned damaged or missing items, or it got lost in transit? Who makes the final decision? Guntab.com - and they never saw the item.

If the payment is by ACH, the sender can claim fraud after the fact and might get a return of their money despite what guntab rules, if it goes into a return dispute situation.

What if the package is lost or damaged? UPS for example only pays out on about 30% of their declared value claims. That is NOT insurance by the way. They get to decide whether to pay or not. They will often pay only a percentage of the value declared. My experience with the US Mail has been that they offer a fraction of the insured value as a payout. The worst I experienced was 25 cents on the dollar. My only experience with a lost package through FedEx took me about a month to finish, but I did get full invoice price reimbursed. I was out many hours of my time and quite a bit of shipping costs.

I saw that they now accept credit card payments, which might make it easier to get your money back if something you bought isn't as described, but you are rolling the dice with that as the credit card company is going to go by the terms at guntab.com most of the time.

 

[houston]

You have to be really careful when buying stuff. Even if they are members to a forum.. be careful.
Anybody remember mousefart on the yellow forum ?

 

[woogie_man]

Why is he talking about " 3 letter agencies " ??? Because airguns under federal law are not under the scope of ANY " 3 letter agencies " How long ago did this sale take place? I would contact him and tell him he is full of crap and you want your air gun. If he stops then you could use the postal service to go after him as it could be classified as mail fraud. Contact your credit card company ASAP and let them know that you were scammed out of a product you purchased. They should be able to help you out as well.

If nothing else works, just use this as a $140 learning experience. It sucks, but just be glad you were not buying an impact or daystate that is worth a few grand. That is when it really hurts.

 

[Ezana4CE]

AGN safeguards are in place for a reason. They work to cutdown on the probability of members getting scammed. It’s not fool proof. Some scammers are gifted manipulators that good at their graft. There is a 10 post minimum rule for a reason. There’s also a known scammer list for a reason.

If you’re reading this and you’re new to Airgun Nation, take your time and familiarize yourself with how the site works and how to proceed in conducting safer transactions as opposed to rushing in to jump on a deal in the classifieds. Read the rules. Believe me I get the enthusiasm, BUT I can say that other deals will come. I’m very confident that the first deal you spot won’t be the last.

 

[Michael]

As Moderator 3 stated... Airgun Nation offers numerous recommendations on how to avoid common Scammers:

Classifieds Rules

www.airgunnation.com

Avoid Classifieds Scams

www.airgunnation.com

and we have a sophisticated Member Feedback system located within each Members profile.

I searched the server and the names/email addresses you provided do not exist here.

I'm sorry this happened to you, but regardless of which site you're using... it's imperative to read the rules, heed the warnings, and utilize all the available resources at your disposal.

-Michael