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I am thinking of a scope for a new air rifle next summer. I have read about the Element Helix 6-24x50 ffp. My budget is $500-600 but I am willing to go up to $800. Also don't keep it to the usual brands. Give out some other brands than Hawke or Element. The range of shooting is from 10 yards all the way to 125-150 yards. This is a hunting gun. I am thinking of a zoom range of 4-16 to 6-24 or even obscure ranges like 4.5-27 or 3-18 zoom. Also I want an MOA scope. I have never shot with MRAD scopes. I want it less than 2.5 pounds. A 30mm tube with a 50mm objective lens. The gun this is going on is either a FX Panthera 500 or a Brocock Ghost HP. What are you suggestions? I would like to hear your ideas.
 
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Hello @Tonyo155

I have purchased this year two Vector scopes and very pleased with both. I purchased one for benchrest shooting which is a Vector Minotaur Gen II 46 x 60 SFP 1/8 MOA VETD-LR Illuminated Center Dot , and it is the best glass that I have looked through. I purchased this and another one from Optics Warehouse in the UK at very good pricing and quick delivery here in the US.

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ThomasT said:
Hello @Tonyo155

I have purchased this year two Vector scopes and very pleased with both. I purchased one for benchrest shooting which is a Vector Minotaur Gen II 46 x 60 SFP 1/8 MOA VETD-LR Illuminated Center Dot , and it is the best glass that I have looked through. I purchased this and another one from Optics Warehouse in the UK at very good pricing and quick delivery here in the US.

ThomasT
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Thank you for replying to this thread. Any chance do Vector scopes have any MOA scopes?
 
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Tonyo155 said:
Thank you for replying to this thread. Any chance do Vector scopes have any MOA scopes?
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Hey again @Tonyo155

Here is a link to the Vector website.

www.vectoroptics.com

Vector Optics

Vector Optics is devoted to making high-quality rifle scopes & other optics with competitive prices & consistent quality. Accompany your every shot.
www.vectoroptics.com www.vectoroptics.com

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I will second Vector Optics.
I have a 4-16x44 Veyron and a 6-24x50 Marksman.
Of the two I think the Veyron series of scopes are quite a bit better overall than the marksman. Both the turrets and the parallax controls are much smoother than the Marksman and the optics are noticeably better. Much better than I would normally expect for a $260 optic.
Unfortunately the Veyron scopes are only MIL as far as I know. I also prefer MOA, but again, for the price and the image quality, I was willing to make do with MIL for my back yard guns
 
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I have my first Vector scope on it's way to me right now. It is their bottom end 8-32x50. I bought it for targets. I have an Athlon Talos 6-24x50 on my P35-22, my most accurate gun. It is not as expensive as you are budgeting but I think it's a nice scope and Athlon has several more expensive lines. I hunt at 6X but mostly have scopes that go down to 4X. Like 4-16. I have a couple Primary Arms scopes which I like. I've not used it but Athlon is supposed to have a great warranty if you ever have a problem.

I kind of prefer MOA scopes because it's easier for me to remember 1 clink = 1/4 inch at 100 yards and do the conversion to the distance I am shooting. But I also buy MIL scopes if that is what I find at a good price. I don't think the difference is a big deal. 1/10 mil is more than 1/4 MOA but they are close enough that I don't find it hard to get the scope dialed in. I also think I prefer SFP even though FFP seems to be "the thing" these days. On at least one of my FFP scopes the recticle is really hard to see if I turn it all the way down. That does not happen on SFP scopes. Recticle stays the same. Determining hold over with mil dots is harder with SFP if you use multiple magnifications but I hunt at 6X so I only need to know how many dots to hold off at 6X. So SFP works well for me.
 
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Tonyo,

I'll attach a couple of Scope Specs Tables for the magnification ranges and budget you specified.

You'll be able to easily identify and compare which scopes offer you MOA/MOA, along with other specs that might be important to you — like price, weight, warranty, etc.



🔶 It is interesting that you want to limit yourself to MOA — and at the same time haven't specified if you want an FFP or an SFP scope.

I'm not trying to step on any toes — it just seems in my perspective that the MOA vs. MIL decision is comparatively minor in comparison to the FFP vs. SFP decision:

➔ If on the one hand, you want to use your reticle to adjust your point of aim then an FFP scope makes more sense:
Because you only need to carry one dope card, and only need to memorize one set of holdovers.
➔ If on the other hand, you only use your turrets to adjust your POA, then either FFP or SFP scopes work, with the SFP having some advantages.


Happy scope shopping! 👍🏼

Matthias 😊



❌ Attachments:
● Scope Specs Table 4-16x | 3-18x | 4-20x
● Scope Specs Table 6-24x | 4-24x | 5-30x | 5-25x

View attachment SCOPE Specs Table. For 4-16x or 3-18x or 4-20x Scopes.pdf

View attachment SCOPE Specs Table. For 6-24x (5-25x) or 5-30x or 4-20x.pdf
 
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As Matthias stated, that "the MOA vs. MIL decision is comparatively minor in comparison to the FFP vs. SFP decision". I was an MOA scope guy, and using FFP scopes to determine click values at any magnification based on what I saw in the scope. Then I bought an Athlon Helos BTR 2-12X44 in MIL because it was the only model with the Christmas tree style ranging reticle that I like using. I discovered the actual difference was of no consequence to my aiming or what I was seeing while bench shooting. I use the FFP scope, reticle and hash marks to see how far off the bullseye the shot was, and either click the scope turrets or hold over the needed amount. It doesn't matter which hash marks are which at that point, they are only a reference to the scope's turret click value. No math involved, just click accordingly. If ranging using either MOA or MIL reticle/turret styles, just use the correct formula for said scope.
 
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JungleShooter said:
Tonyo,

I'll attach a couple of Scope Specs Tables for the magnification ranges and budget you specified.

You'll be able to easily identify and compare which scopes offer you MOA/MOA, along with other specs that might be important to you — like price, weight, warranty, etc.



🔶 It is interesting that you want to limit yourself to MOA — and at the same time haven't specified if you want an FFP or an SFP scope.

I'm not trying to step on any toes — it just seems in my perspective that the MOA vs. MIL decision is comparatively minor in comparison to the FFP vs. SFP decision:

➔ If on the one hand, you want to use your reticle to adjust your point of aim then an FFP scope makes more sense:
Because you only need to carry one dope card, and only need to memorize one set of holdovers.
➔ If on the other hand, you only use your turrets to adjust your POA, then either FFP or SFP scopes work, with the SFP having some advantages.


Happy scope shopping! 👍🏼

Matthias 😊



❌ Attachments:
● Scope Specs Table 4-16x | 3-18x | 4-20x
● Scope Specs Table 6-24x | 4-24x | 5-30x | 5-25x

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Matthias. Thank you so much for these sheets. They are going to help so much. For scopes this by far the most help I have ever had. Thank you so much.
 
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Tonyo155 said:
My budget is $500-600 but I am willing to go up to $800. Also don't keep it to the usual brands. Give out some other brands than Hawke or Element. The range of shooting is from 10 yards all the way to 125-150 yards. This is a hunting gun. I am thinking of a zoom range of 4-16 to 6-24 or even obscure ranges like 4.5-27 or 3-18 zoom
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I've been looking at scopes for casual backyard target and pest shooting (20-30yrds). I may even go out to a range for some 100yrd target shooting.
My budget is south of $500. I've narrowed my choices down to possibly the Athlon Argos BTR Gen2 6-24x50 or Vector Optics Continental 5-30x56. Are these overkill for my FX Impact Mk2 for my intended use? Or would a cheaper Vector Optics Veyron 6-24x44 be a better match?
 
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