N/A scope problem turrent wont turn anymore!

[Bedrock Bob]

The finish on the "new" scopes are slippery. It's tough to get one to hold on a springer.

The surface is a bunch of beads that only offer contact at the apex of each bead. It makes them very scratch resistant but hard to hold without slipping.

A quick spin in 400 grit paper ruins the finish on the scope but makes them hold tight. No overtorquing needed. It's ugly but it works great.

I use hot pink nail polish. It fills the "valleys" in the finish and allows full contact on the rings. CA glue or epoxy works great too. Wipes right off with acetone. There are plenty of threadlocking compounds that will work great too. With the nitride (or similar) finishes you really need some stickum on a springer or you need to overtorque the screws.

Lacquer won't dry without air. When I use hot pink nail polish I let it dry almost completely before assembly. It works dandy. CA glue too. Epoxy works great and cures without air. Anything to fill the profile on the "new matte finishes". A polished finish on a scope won't need a darn thing. It will hold tight. Blued steel scopes too. Just the "new matte finish" on aluminum scopes. It's slippery as heck and won't hold on a springer without some help.

I used a shim cut from a latex rubber therapy band. It's about .008 when compressed and worked perfectly. Held tight. Latex rubber decomposes and won't last forever. But it makes a great shim and won't damage the scope. It's cheap and easy too.

My buddy used cat food cans. The shims still had cat food stuck to them. He shot 6 months on "little friskies" shims glued with nail polish on a hard kicking Hatsan. They worked fine. The nail polish and cat food wiped right off with acetone when he changed scopes. We put the same shims under the new scope a few weeks ago (minus the tuna suprise) and he's going strong.

It's not rocket science once you understand how the "new" aluminum finishes behave. They just need some help finding friction with the scope rings. A little viscosity is all they need to hold tight on a spring gun.

If you don't mind the appearance just wrap a piece of 400 grit paper around the scope where the rings bind and give it a twist. Problem solved. It will hold great with minimal torque on the rings. Same with the shims. All it needs is a little profile to give the surface some mechanical "tooth" to lock together. A little crosshatch profile on the inside of parkerized rings will help too. Add a drop of lacquer from your favorite color pallette and your scope will hang tight no matter how hard your Hatsan jumps when you jerk the trigger.

 

[.20calguy]

The finish on the "new" scopes are slippery. It's tough to get one to hold on a springer.

The surface is a bunch of beads that only offer contact at the apex of each bead. It makes them very scratch resistant but hard to hold without slipping.

A quick spin in 400 grit paper ruins the finish on the scope but makes them hold tight. No overtorquing needed. It's ugly but it works great.

I use hot pink nail polish. It fills the "valleys" in the finish and allows full contact on the rings. CA glue or epoxy works great too. Wipes right off with acetone. There are plenty of threadlocking compounds that will work great too. With the nitride (or similar) finishes you really need some stickum on a springer or you need to overtorque the screws.

Lacquer won't dry without air. When I use hot pink nail polish I let it dry almost completely before assembly. It works dandy. CA glue too. Epoxy works great and cures without air. Anything to fill the profile on the "new matte finishes". A polished finish on a scope won't need a darn thing. It will hold tight. Blued steel scopes too. Just the "new matte finish" on aluminum scopes. It's slippery as heck and won't hold on a springer without some help.

I used a shim cut from a latex rubber therapy band. It's about .008 when compressed and worked perfectly. Held tight. Latex rubber decomposes and won't last forever. But it makes a great shim and won't damage the scope. It's cheap and easy too.

My buddy used cat food cans. The shims still had cat food stuck to them. He shot 6 months on "little friskies" shims glued with nail polish on a hard kicking Hatsan. They worked fine. The nail polish and cat food wiped right off with acetone when he changed scopes. We put the same shims under the new scope a few weeks ago (minus the tuna suprise) and he's going strong.

It's not rocket science once you understand how the "new" aluminum finishes behave. They just need some help finding friction with the scope rings. A little viscosity is all they need to hold tight on a spring gun.

If you don't mind the appearance just wrap a piece of 400 grit paper around the scope where the rings bind and give it a twist. Problem solved. It will hold great with minimal torque on the rings. Same with the shims. All it needs is a little profile to give the surface some mechanical "tooth" to lock together. A little crosshatch profile on the inside of parkerized rings will help too. Add a drop of lacquer from your favorite color pallette and your scope will hang tight no matter how hard your Hatsan jumps when you jerk the trigger.

Interestingly, I haven't had a scope move in the rings yet, but I have fought slipping on the dove tail rails consistently

 

[Bedrock Bob]

Interestingly, I haven't had a scope move in the rings yet, but I have fought slipping on the dove tail rails consistently

Yes. Me too. If the recoil pin isn't in there, they walk right off the dovetail and hit you in the nose. When the recoil pin is used you can see where it's riding in the hole on the receiver.

Scopes on a springer are a huge PIA. Even more so than the springs themselves.

The Sportsmatch rings have been the best solution for me on the HW rifles. No issues at all.

The holes in the Cometas receiver are too small for the standard pins and the rings won't hold. The rails won't hold. My plan was to drill the hole bigger when I had the gun apart so it would accept a pin. By the time I took it apart my master plan had changed.

Somewhere on the road to figuring out how to mount a scope on a springer I decided to just shoot with open sights. Suits me fine on a pellet gun. I'm just tickled with the Cometas and they completely satisfy my requirements out to 60-70 yards.

For what I've invested in rings and rails that didn't work and scopes that broke I could buy a CZ457 rimfire and a case of ammo.

So I did.

My Sportsmatch rings and new Sightron scope on my HW97 will mount on it perfectly. I'm liquidating everything that shoots pellets except the Cometa rifles. The rest I'm spending too much time and money on trying to keep them running. They are beautiful, accurate and cool as hell. But just not a value. I need a rifle I can shoot without constantly fiddling with. The rimfire will offer more range, power and accuracy and a whole lot less maintenance. For a scoped small caliber rifle they just make more sense to me.

I have my old Remington 582 rimfire that I've shot for 50 years. It will outshoot any pellet rifle I own despite the barrel being almost a smooth bore. I shot it one day after a few years of shooting my pellet rifle and realized I was wasting my time trying to get a springer to shoot like that. When I was cleaning it afterwards I had to push a pile of pellet gun crap off the bench to make room. By the time I finished patching the bore I realized I needed to get real about my goals for a practice rifle and get up out of this rabbit hole I'm living in.

 

[.20calguy]

I'm liquidating everything that shoots pellets except the Cometa rifles. The rest I'm spending too much time and money on trying to keep them running. They are beautiful, accurate and cool as hell. But just not a value. I need a rifle I can shoot without constantly fiddling with. The rimfire will offer more range, power and accuracy and a whole lot less maintenance. For a scoped small caliber rifle they just make more sense to me.

My rimfires aren't any more accurate than my air rifles. My most accurate rifle of all gun types is my Crown. It even beats the Kidd custom 10/22, so far.

 

[.20calguy]

The holes in the Cometas receiver are too small for the standard pins and the rings won't hold. The rails won't hold. My plan was to drill the hole bigger when I had the gun apart so it would accept a pin.

Sounds like you need to change it to a smaller pin?
The SM rings use a a roll pin, so a smaller pin could be inserted into the existing pin. Or just drill a new pin hole next to the original?

 

[Bedrock Bob]

My rimfires aren't any more accurate than my air rifles. My most accurate rifle of all gun types is my Crown. It even beats the Kidd custom 10/22, so far.View attachment 527139

Love that killer bee/murder hornet stock!

It's a cool rifle. No doubt accurate. I couldn't hunt with it. I couldn't afford it. I bet I could buy a CZ457, a TikkaT1x, and a Bergara BMR for what you have into that rifle and a compressor. Probably enough left over for a scope and mounts too.

For target and bench shooting, matches and such those rifles are outstanding. For my purposes they make great eye candy but I just can't muster the desire to have one. Accuracy is important...up to a point. If I can't strap it to a mule and take it up to 10k feet it's just not practical for my uses.

....But then none of my springers are either (With the exception of the Cometas). They were a learning experience and a great passtime but I really feel the need to get back on the mountain with a rifle rather than sitting in the sandpit plinking. It's more about adventure and experience for me than it is the rifle or the shooting. The rifle is a part of it for sure but just a small part.

 

[Bedrock Bob]

Sounds like you need to change it to a smaller pin?
The SM rings use a a roll pin, so a smaller pin could be inserted into the existing pin. Or just drill a new pin hole next to the original?

All are good solutions. All will work.

I have the open sights DOWN brother. My transitions are impeccable. If I miss a shotgun shell at 60 yards offhand it isn't by much. I'm shooting way better than 50% at 50. And about 1:5 at 70. Standing there like a scarecrow in a cornfield I can hit 100% on green army men at 25. I'm a happy man.

I love the open sights. My eyes are giving me fits some days and I know my open sight time is limited. But I'm sticking with it until I can't anymore. Offhand with open sights is where I want to be with a springer.

 

[.20calguy]

have my old Remington 582 rimfire that I've shot for 50 years. It will outshoot any pellet rifle I own despite the barrel being almost a smooth bore. I shot it one day after a few years of shooting my pellet rifle and realized I was wasting my time trying to get a springer to shoot like that.

When I had to send the 97 back for Warranty, I got into a bit of springer funk like that.
My Crown being my best shooter is a .30 cal, at almost 900 fps. That is a bit more than a yard gun!
It destroys my targets and only gets "three" 13 round mags to a fill. So I gave it some thought and ordered a .22 caliber change kit, and some pellets for it. I can tune it down to a mild, accurate setting that will yield 200 rounds per fill, use common ammo. No problems with my ranges targets either, but no i ordered an HW95N, and an HW35E.

 

[.20calguy]

Love that killer bee/murder hornet stock!

It's a cool rifle. No doubt accurate. I couldn't hunt with it. I couldn't afford it. I bet I could buy a CZ457, a TikkaT1x, and a Bergara BMR for what you have into that rifle and a compressor. Probably enough left over for a scope and mounts too.

For target and bench shooting, matches and such those rifles are outstanding. For my purposes they make great eye candy but I just can't muster the desire to have one. Accuracy is important...up to a point. If I can't strap it to a mule and take it up to 10k feet it's just not practical for my uses.

....But then none of my springers are either (With the exception of the Cometas). They were a learning experience and a great passtime but I really feel the need to get back on the mountain with a rifle rather than sitting in the sandpit plinking. It's more about adventure and experience for me than it is the rifle or the shooting. The rifle is a part of it for sure but just a small part.

I love the way God made us all different, but the same.

 

[Bedrock Bob]

I love the way God made us all different, but the same.

Indeed.

The speed/weight/trajectory thing is hardwired in our nervous system. It's what are brain was designed to do. From the first time our ancestors picked up a rock and threw it. The ones that could hit the mark survived.

We are just responding to human instinct. We are driven to sling sh!t out there at something. It's our duty as a homo sapien. Whether it's a ball, a bullet, an arrow or an old black rock.

We are all just a bunch of neanderthals with space age pellet rifles brought together by a slipping scope mount that shoots a foot to low. All to squeeze a drop of serotonin from the most primitive part of our brains.

Indeed He does work in mysterious ways.